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Dec 7 2010
08:46 am
CE Petro's picture

Julian Assange has been the

Julian Assange has been the target of a very concerted effort to quiet him by the US. Sorry, but Assange and the whistleblowers that provide the information are the ones that are actually giving the people transparency of their government.

as for the sex scandal, well one must think it a bit strange to be charged, cleared and then charged again. The timing of the "re-charge" coming as there was another document dump.

Seriously, since when is being a whistleblower supposed to be a criminal act?

cafkia's picture

I did not vote because I

I did not vote because I think it is too early to say. I have experience with classified information and the reasons why it is classified as well as the intel apparatus in general. From that perspective I would have to vote "evil". However, there my be enough good come from this to outweigh the the harm he has done. It will take time and the analysis of history to make that determination. Shortsightness is a republican trait and I refuse to stoop to it.

rikki's picture

Assange did not steal the

Assange did not steal the intel. He published it, just like the New York Times, the Guardian, Der Spiegel and El Pais. Here's an essay he wrote for a newspaper in his home country.

Where in the Constitution is the government granted the right to keep secrets from its citizens?

cafkia's picture

There are many possible

There are many possible reasons for declaring something secret. The example I usually use is the Queen of England's panties. Were a diplomatic post to state that on this day the Queen was wearing white silk panties with a repeating pattern of gold tiaras, that would seem to be a stupid thing to classify top secret but, I'm pretty sure that it would be. The reasons are that it would not be good for the relationship of our nations if the British found out we were spying on them. And, it would start a hunt for the source of the information. If it were humint, their freedom certainly and possibly their life would be in danger. Finally, it would be a leverage point for other actors to use, a potential for blackmail if you will. Sometimes it is simply a matter of timing. If something classified is in the newspaper a day, or even several hours later, we might still want it classified so as to protect the information that we had the information prior to it being public. Again, lives could be endangered if it is known that we knew hours before. It has nothing to do with the rights laid out in the Constitution and everything to do with the hugely complex day-to-day interactions with hundreds of other governments and non-governmental entities.

To attempt to downplay the complexity of governmental interaction is the republican ploy. The truth is, it doesn't all fit on a bumper sticker. We could and should take steps to minimize the amount of classified information but, I'm not sure how that might work. If you can convince everyone else in the world to be completely open and honest, I will certainly support that behavior of our own statespeople.

rikki's picture

There are certainly reasons

There are certainly reasons for secrecy, particularly during war, but it is a privilege of government that we assent to under proper circumstances for limited time. Government secrecy should never be absolute nor unchecked.

The lawless persecution of Julian Assange is far more disturbing than anything WikiLeaks has published, as are the loud and proud calls for his murder and the kidnapping of his son. The inability of so many people to distinguish between his actions and what Bradley Manning did shows how superficially most people approach news. Indeed, no one who pays close attention to what our country does was remotely surprised by what WikiLeaks has affirmed or revealed over the years.

People want Assange dead or imprisoned not for exposing secrets so much as complicating the false narrative they use to dupe the too trusting masses.

WhitesCreek's picture

Here, Here!

Well said.

R. Neal's picture

Assange arrested...

Andy Axel's picture

Martyr in the making.

Martyr in the making.

Andy Axel's picture

I'm thinking martyr in the

I'm thinking martyr in the sense of "prisoner of conscience."

If imprisoned, he won't see the light of day again and there will probably be extraordinary measures taken to cut him off from human contact.

IOW, they may as well kill him.

ETA:

There is nothing in the Constitution that give the government the RIGHT to act secretly and hide everything that it does from its citizens.

But, but, but... [Tevye] Tradition! [/Tevye] Traditionally, the state has been "empowered" to keep "state secrets" in the interest of "national security."

(That our notion of national security often means that we covertly interfere with the conduct of a sovereign state's internal affairs, a/k/a their national security, is one of those bitter ironies that has long been understood by people who've been paying routine attention to such matters for years. Again, "no shit." But still, when these memos come to light, the roaches go running. I'm still surprised that the Suharto and Pinochet memos were allowed to surface with Kissinger still out metabolizing oxygen.)

Smitty's picture

But there are also unknown unknowns

I second Cafkia's motion on it being way to early to vote. There are too many unanswered questions right now.

Some say he is a CIA plant/patsy. Some question the lack of cables regarding Israel.

There are also questions regarding the young women accusers.

It will be awhile, if ever, till we know the full story.

Smitty

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