Fri
Apr 12 2013
08:59 am
By: Bbeanster
Watched the Senate video of Campfield running his bill and my biggest WTF moment came when Frank Niceley said he heard on "national news" that the average family on welfare makes $61,000 a year.
He expanded on that by observing that since this is only an average, this means that half of the welfare recipients make more than that.
"Just keep that as you're drivin' home. The average welfare family making $61,000 a year. That's unbelievable."
Nobody disputed his contention.
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A misleading chart on welfare spending
Maybe this is from where it came
From Washington Post ...
Misleading chart on welfare spending
Here is a pretty coherent
Here is a pretty coherent explanation.
Whether Nicely put his own ignorant spin on it, or some "national news" did it, is a mystery.
From the WP article:while
From the WP article:
It's sad how much time is spent correcting this idiotic information.
So it was the Honorable
(in reply to bizgrrl)
So it was the Honorable Senator [R] Jeffrey Beauregard Sessions III from the state of Alabama spreading these lies. Never would have guessed it! [smirk]
FYI
TN Senate Democrats tweeted a rebuttal right after Niceley said it:
(link...)
TN Senate Democrats @TNSenateDems 21h
Fact-checking Sen. Nicely: families on welfare do not make $60k a year: (link...)
"Unbelievable"
"Just keep that as you're drivin' home. The average welfare family making $61,000 a year. That's unbelievable."
Yeah, I think it sounds unbelievable, too. So if everybody can agree that it's unbelievable, why does this clown so obviously believe it?
Nicely is either a mean liar or a dumb liar - maybe both
This Dec 2012 press stunt by the staff of Senator Jeff Sessions is just sad.
Read the chart at the end of the CRS memo and look at the smorgasbord of federal programs Sessions' staffers requested be included (along with state spending on God knows what) to get to their total.
(link...)
I mean seriously, they wanna include the entire budgets of The Indian Health Service, Pell Grants, Adoption Assistance, Head Start, grants for Senior Centers, and even Water and Waste Water Grants for Rural Communities??!?! WTF!?!?!
They're not mutally exclusive, you know.
(in reply to Greg H)
But he is dumb as a coal bucket.
Bobby Jindal call this one cold
(in reply to Min)
Republicans around here are most definitely "The Party of Stupid." My State Rep is Sheila Butt - I can't decide if she's dumber than a bag of hammers or dumber than dirt.
Faux News
I'll bet he got it from Faux News. They're know for being fair and balanced. But seriously, it was a WTF moment when a Tennessee State Senator says (and perhaps believes) that a welfare family is better off than the average working person in Tennessee. And he discounted how much the loss of 30% in benefits would mean. It's disgusting, dismissive, demeaning, and just plain mean.
The actual figure is hard to
The actual figure is hard to come up with. But consider the following assistance amounts in Tennessee:
$390/mo SNAP (food stamps, $130/mo * family of 3)
$185/mo TANF (welfare, believe this is the max)
$450/mo HUD (Section 8 voucher, estimate)
Total: $1025/mo.
Annually: $12,300 direct assistance
Plus TennCare, per-capita expenditure approx. $3500, family of 3 = $10,500
Total: $22,800
as if any of this money
(in reply to R. Neal)
as if any of this money doesn't go directly back into the economy ...
Thanks. Fixed.
(in reply to metulj)
Thanks. Fixed.
don't forget EIC
(in reply to R. Neal)
If the head of household has earned income, say even minimum wage, they are eligible for a refundable tax credit (negative income tax) for up to 3 minor children. This actually boosts minimum wage and is substantial for low-income households. A typical scenario I used to see, back in the day, would be earned income of 9-15K with a tax credit/"refund" of $3-5K! That's often 30-40% of income, paid as a windfall once a year.
Now the problem becomes, saving the money for next year would disqualify the household for some benefits with an asset cap. I only found out recently that Advance EIC was no longer available! Advance EIC could actually improve the household's standard of living month by month. The windfall method - not so much. In fact, applicants for our affordable home-buyer program, who found out about Advance EIC, were able to qualify for other programs with more choices.
Poverty
When one wants to talk about being poor I can join that discussion from experience. I was born in a tool shed with a dirt floor in a junk yard in Knoxville in 1943 and went down hill from there.
I was raised on state welfare and we never had as much as $100 a month income for seven people in the family. The federal government gave commodities once a month of yellow corn meal, rice, powered milk, and cheese. There were no medical care, housing allowances, free lunches at school or any other type of assistance.
When my oldest brother graduated high school, the state discontinued the state welfare check. They said there was a "bread winner" in the household now and he could provide for the family. He moved and left a family of six with no income. I had to drop out of school and get a job for minimum wages with the only hope of ever getting a raise was when the Democrats in Congress could out vote the Republicans. An unskilled worker has no bargaining power with an employer to demand a wage increase. He is lucky to have a job.
I know things have changed for the disadvantage over the past fifty years, but it still not a bed of roses to be born poor. One is a slave to his economic conditions and it is difficult to break the bonds of poverty for a family. All men are not equal with the same opportunities. There are no shining cities on the hill for those living in poverty.
Economic impact
SNAP
Average
I can't take anyone seriously who thinks that average really means median.