Wed
Feb 25 2015
02:14 pm
By: Rachel
In case this is behind the subscription wall, a quote:
"It is likely new schools will spring up to siphon off the best and brightest students, leaving the public schools poorer as a result. Rather than spending the money to educate all the students, we propose to put a select group of students in a lifeboat, leaving the mother ship to sink.
If you don’t think a lot of public money will be involved in the future, think about the hundreds of thousands of dollars the voucher proponents spent in the last election to defeat voucher opponents. Do you think they did that just to benefit low-income minority students?
Yeah, right. They’re just doing it for the children."
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Spot on...
The goal of the so-called education reform movement has never been full privatization. This is rent-seeking pure and simple.
If this expands the way its backers envision, the outcome will look a lot like Chile (and Sweden) in that it will be a three-tiered system of elite private schools that do not accept vouchers, private voucher schools that will service the middle classes and high social capital working classes, and an underfunded public system servicing the most vulnerable student populations. It will also be way more segregated than schools already are.*
Religious conservatives will of course love it, because the state will ultimately fund their very poor quality religious schools. Neoliberal fragmentation of the social continues apace...
* Democratic (Third Way) support of charter schools is based on the same flawed, utopian economic logic as voucher programs and will produce the same outcomes of segregation along class and racial/ethnic lines as well as encouraging rent-seeking behavior and the continued fragmentation of the commons.
Don't get me started about
Don't get me started about the poor quality conservative religious schools. I will never get over all the students that I had when I taught developemental studies courses in community college a few years ago and had to deal with students who had been given A's in those schools and then found themselves in developmental writing and reading classes. And sometimes math also. It was a shock to them and their parents. They didn't know how to write a basic paragraph in some instances. But they sure knew the Bible.
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(in reply to metulj)
Glad to hear it, Toby, but I can share an anecdote similar to Pam's account:
Years ago when my older child was five years old and I was helping her and others that age in the Southern Baptist "children's church" program where my in-laws were members, it seemed none of those children had met the benchmarks I knew KCS had in place to gauge kindergarten readiness.
They didn't know all their shapes or colors, couldn't recognize (much less write) their letters, and had problems counting very far at all. I learned early on that not one in my daughter's class had been taught how to tie his or her shoes.
But like Pam observes, one of them could recite the name of every book in the Bible--and several others were working to master it.
I have kept up indirectly with just a handful of the girls over the years, three of whom had babies-but-not-husbands at age 17. Among those three, one dropped out of high school and a second just barely graduated via a credit recovery program.
I know, I know--tiny sample, correlation vs. causation, etc. They confirmed my predictions, anyway.
Yes, very true. And I taught
(in reply to metulj)
Yes, very true. And I taught at an Episcopal School in Little Rock. Those kids were held to rigorous academics. Further at an Episcopal school while you are exposed to the Episcopal religion, you are not expected to follow the doctrines. And, something that we did at the school I was at was support an eighth-grade boy who decided it was time to be honest about his sexuality. He felt safe enough to be himself. Rare at most middle schools, especially a parochial one.
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I have kept up indirectly with just a handful of the girls over the years...
I should have said I've kept up with just a handful of the children over the years, namely the only three girls my daughter's age who then attended that small church.
You see, then, that my sample comprised the entirety of girls my daughter's age in that small church.
Which I think you'll agree makes for a more compelling observation on my part.
:-)
Vision of the future
A dispatch from Rahm's Chicago:
Lindsey Nicole Henry Scholarships in Oklahoma
The Cagle article misses the point. It isn't that public education money "belongs" to parents, as he writes.
Parents are the people closest to the investment in their child's education. Therefore, parents are the authorities best qualified to make a decision about where their child will be educated. Parents are better qualified to make this decision, over school administrative employees who do not live close-up with the child involved.
Trinity School in Oklahoma has helped many families and most likely has prevented a number of suicides or suicide attempts. The former Walker Academy in Knoxville also helped many families in situations where the public schools were not equipped to help an individual child. Unfortunately, Walker closed during the economic downturn.
Please consider this situation from an ethical, not a political, standpoint. Your influence has a huge impact on real individuals -- children, parents, wider communities who deal with suicide and self-esteem issues. This isn't a matter of "siphoning off the 'best and the brightest'". It is a matter of accommodating individuals with realistic, caring support.
(link...)
(link...)
Trinity Schools
(in reply to Nikki)
Tuition and fees = $11,420 per year. Vouchers would cover less than half of that. How would a parent make up the other $7000? Loans? Oh, and I forgot $900 in book and technology fees!
If we gave our public schools an extra $7900 per year per student, they could do some pretty amazing things.
Why did Walker Academy close? "People couldn't afford the tuition." Again, if you have that much money, public schools could have the same teacher:student ratios and the same outcome.
Frank Cagle's point still holds.
Is the Trinity School of Tulsa, Oklahoma related to the Trinity Foundation of Tulsa, Oklahoma? If so, that's the foundation related to the famed Robert Tilton, who scammed donors out of money and was successfully sued for fraud.
I don't see the relationship in a quick search, but it would be a sad coincidence if they're not related.
Amount proposed for TN vouchers
(in reply to reform4)
I haven't yet read the TN voucher proposal(s) under consideration this session but provided they're like those proposed last session they will require the participating private schools to accept as full payment just the amount the voucher provides.
Parents wouldn't have to kick in anything *, then, but the question remaining is how many quality private schools could operate on the per pupil spending TN's public schools operate on?
The concern there is that few or none could.
(* At least parents wouldn't have to kick in anything under this initial proposal; as we know, full privatization of public schools in this nation is taking place incrementally, as one state legislature after another over time "tweaks" the legislation it first passed to let the camel's nose into the tent.)
Anything else for tuition,
(in reply to Tamara Shepherd)
Anything else for tuition, but there are so many other matters to consider -- meal plans, books, lab fees -- and that's just off the top of my head. Oh, yes, transportation. No, excuses, the kid has to be there everyday on time and stay all day.
Other costs
(in reply to Pam Strickland)
...but there are so many other matters to consider -- meal plans, books, lab fees -- and that's just off the top of my head. Oh, yes, transportation.
Don't forget uniforms. And I know Webb School used to require ownership of one's own laptop.
Then too, at some snobbier institutions, there's that required budget for "keeping up socially."
Yes, and computer-based
(in reply to Tamara Shepherd)
Yes, and computer-based homework assignments that require Internet access.
"Don't forget uniforms."My
(in reply to Tamara Shepherd)
"Don't forget uniforms."
My son went to Episcopal School, and there are used uniform sales twice a year, where each item (pants & shirts) is $3 each. You could easily clothe a kid for an entire year for < $50, which is not nothing, but not a huge expense, either.
Class runs deep
(in reply to metulj)
My better half attended Catholic school, and she would quickly dispel you of the belief that school uniforms will stop the fashion bullying bullshit.
A few years back,
(in reply to Nikki)
Blount County schools cut bus service for budgetary reasons. The first day, about half the kids did not show up.
So, the thought that;
doesn't hold water. At least half the time. If you'd prefer to live in a society that only educates half its children, good luck.
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(in reply to Nikki)
My first observation, Nikki, is that public schools don't close up shop in an economic downturn. Seeking no financial profit, they keep on chuggin.'
My second observation is that if Walker Academy in Knoxville, TN couldn't keep its doors open on the $11,800 per year tuition it charged students, it most certainly wouldn't be able to keep its doors open on the paltry amount per head TN's voucher proposal would route to private schools.
To the extent that some families may find special education lacking in TN's or any state's public schools, the culprit is inadequate funding for the federal Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) of 1975. Here's the problem explained:
My third observation is therefore that if we want every disabled child of every income level to enjoy an appropriate (and free) education, all of us are prudent to urge passage not of state's proposed legislation to fund private schools, but of the federal government's proposed legislation to fully fund its public schools.
Do read the article I linked above on efforts in Congress again this year to get that done.
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Tom Humphrey: StudentsFirst says voucher bill has 20 House co-sponsors
Excerpt:
For the life of me, this supposed "60%" are not represented among any of the people I know, irrespective of their political party affiliation. I just don't get it.
Nashvile Chamber's position/proposal on vouchers
I said earlier: "I haven't yet read the TN voucher proposal(s) under consideration this session but provided they're like those proposed last session they will require the participating private schools to accept as full payment just the amount the voucher provides."
I still haven't read this year's voucher proposal(s)--there's too much to read everywhere--but I did look up the Nashville Chamber's legislative priorities, including those on education issues.
On school vouchers, this:
Looks like the Chamber will be pushing for a much higher dollar voucher than Haslam has proposed in the past, then.
Don't know what these "additional design elements" they want might be. Anybody?
Lindsey Nicole Henry Scholarships in Oklahoma
LNH scholarships seem to cover all tuition, but also ask parents to comply with specific regulations.
I know more than a few parents whose children have significant issues (esp. autism, but many other issues as well). Many wish that they could enroll their children in schools that could work more closely with their individual needs.
Can Tennessee do what Oklahoma is doing? Why not?
From another link: "The Lindsey Nicole Henry (“LNH”) Scholarships for Students with Disabilities Program was first established in 2010, with the passage of House Bill 3393. The program is primarily administered pursuant to the requirements of Title 70, Section 13-101.2. The LNH Scholarship Program was created to provide a scholarship to a private school of choice for students with disabilities. The law allows the parent/legal guardian of a public school student with a disability to exercise their parental option and request to have an LNH Scholarship awarded for their child to enroll in and attend a private school approved by the Oklahoma State Board of Education."
Oklahoma has a list of schools approved to meet special needs, and they appear to have high quality. (If they did not, I'm sure that critics would go after this highly politicized area). The parents and children at Trinity appear satisfied (and the teachers, as well). If they can accomplish this, why can't Tennessee?
(link...)
Isn't Oklahoma the state that wants to eliminate AP US History?
(in reply to Nikki)
Isn't Oklahoma the state that wants to eliminate AP US History because they have political objections to its content? Tell me again why we should use Oklahoma as a model for our educational system?
Colorado Charter schools
Colorado has a full array of charter schools to meet specific needs of students with differences. Here is a list: (link...)
I appreciate Tennessee School for the Deaf and its history. I know families who are happy there. Yet, look at Colorado's Rocky Mountain Deaf School in Denver! It is bilingual. Why can't we do this also? Being bilingual at ASL opens a host of opportunities, and is great for families with deaf members who use ASL. (link...)
Most people prefer to live close by their schools. I know I preferred walking distance to our school. That is ideal...but life is not always ideal. If a child has specific needs, needs that may be life-stunting or life-threatening if they are not met promptly, it should be possible to meet both the budget and the needs, surely. Before special education was available in public schools (back in the early 1960s) I remember attending a small Roman Catholic school which included another child who dealt with cerebral palsy. He needed his wheelchair, ramps, and extra time for various activities. Everyone managed... and that place ran on a shoestring budget! There were also several children with other issues.
This is do-able. Other states are managing to meet individual needs successfully. Why should Tennessee be unable to match them in goals and successes?
That link shows that Colorado
That link shows that Colorado has lots of charter schools. It doesn't show that they are actually meeting the needs of students.
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I just told you why not (and documented it with a link).
Yet you persist in your assertion that instead of allocating the federal monies that were originally promised to us to enable our public schools to deliver adequate special ed, we should instead allocate more state monies--even if it resulted in paying out over $11K per pupil--to enable private schools to do the job.
Why on earth do you assert a need to direct public monies to private enterprises before we even try directing the amount of public monies originally promised us to our public schools?
Because reality doesn't matter and has been proven to not exist
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(in reply to Mike Knapp)
She doesn't seem to understand the term "unfunded mandate."
See also, Mark Harmon's
See also, Mark Harmon's column in today's paper:
Mark Harmon: Community schools better than vouchers
Among other things, such as advocating for community schools, he says:
When Mark Harmon and Frank Cagle are both on the same page against something you know it's a bad idea.
K12 Inc
Mark wrote: "The low performance scores of K12 Inc. should serve as a big warning flare for this potential."
Speaking of which, Rep. Harry Brooks has filed HB 0004 to keep the TN Virtual Schools Act, which legislation invited the for-profit K12 Inc into Tennessee, from sunsetting June 30, 2015 and instead extend the Act through June 30, 2019--although I'm not yet spotting any companion bill in the Senate?
Meanwhile, the 2013-2014 State Report Card reflects Grade 4-8 Value-added Growth Measures for the TN Virtual School as straight F's in all four subject areas. Note that these measures represent three-year averages.
TREE to host "No Vouchers" event
Tennesseans Reclaiming Educational Excellence (TREE) will rally on Tuesday March 3rd for a “Day on the Hill Against School Vouchers”.
Details on their website.
per-pupil spending
misses the point of per-person taxes. I no longer have children in school, but I want the property taxes I pay to Knox County to fund public education. When siphoned away as per-pupil spending in the form of a voucher for private school, that undermines the public education system that makes for a strong democracy.
Hear, hear.
(in reply to Bird_dog)
My sentiments, exactly. And I never had any children to send to school.
+1000
(in reply to Bird_dog)
+1000