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Apr 15 2013
03:17 pm
By: Treehouse
So says the News Sentinel. Kinda big wow!
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It is a kinds something wow, 150 FBI/IRS agents
This isn't just a casual visit from your local federal law enforcement groups, this is a well orchestrated and detailed analysis/investigation/fact finding operation. Given the manner in which this business has grown exponentially over the last 5 years, these guys are counting the number of News-Sentinel papers this organizations buys and gives away on Fridays, nor are they counting the number of lottery tickets inside the plexiglass box, or the number of Mayfield's jugs sitting in the cooler, they're looking at the comprehensive fuel distribution networks/costs associated with the pricing methodology and possible price inflation/fixing given the unusual fuel price fluctuations over the past 18 months. Having the IRS in tow, never really causes anybody to feel good about anything.
Also, in my opinion, given the propsensity of some of the principles of this organization to back a number of "prominent" real estate brokers, some of which cost a number of banks a tremendous amount of money, some of those records maintained within this organization could be considered evendence in any ongoing investigation into some of the losses associated with the banks which took some big hits in this community and in a number of places around the south.
Source on your claim that 150
(in reply to Elwood Aspermonte)
Source on your claim that 150 agents are involved?
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(in reply to Brian A.)
Yes, I was wondering about the "150 agents" claim, too. That point I haven't seen mentioned anywhere but in Elwood's comment?
Pilot PR
(in reply to metulj)
Maybe they'll pull Mike Ragsdale out of wherever he went to declare Pilot has been "cleared"
(yes, that's a joke)
would be interesting...
if they were involved in something shady.Would rock the state as the Govenor is a Haslam.shrugs.
Word behind closed doors is they could be in Knoxville
for several days, looking into other businesses/offices for whatever it is they are looking for.
Let's see which of the local so called journalists can demonstrate the necessary objectivity for reporting on a business in the community which has been shut down/raided/searched (whatever verb you want to use) by an FBI/IRS task force, the size of which this community has never seen in play for one single business. The best news outlet for the information associated with this investigation may be the Tennessean (which is curiously silent on this topic so far), given the local media's propensity to get their feelings and their advertising departments revenue streams in the way of their journalistic insticts and credibility (assuming they have any).
Things like this do not happen out of thin air, some federal judge has signed and issued the necessary search warrant for whatever it is that the agents are looking for.
Get your popcorn ready.
Where are you getting the IRS
(in reply to Elwood Aspermonte)
Where are you getting the IRS connection because I don't see that on any news report. It only shows up because some bloggers/tweeters have made an assumption that since this happened on 4/15, must be the IRS, which is actually quite silly if you think about it.
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(in reply to B Harmon)
Becky, it looks like KNS has updated this story three times since they posted it at around 3:00 p.m.
Their latest version (at 5:22 p.m.) now indicates that the IRS is also on the scene.
I talked to the IRS. They're
(in reply to B Harmon)
I talked to the IRS. They're involved.
(link...)
Thanks for the update. Glad
Thanks for the update. Glad it was confirmed.
CID
Were the IRS agents regular agents or CID? If they were regular agents expect tax/accountancy/finance issues...If they were CID expect issues of a more criminal nature.
This is pure speculation but
This is pure speculation but it makes more sense to me than other theories going around.
The Federal Government, through the IRS, has a program that pays people to blow the whistle on individuals and/or businesses that are not paying the taxes the owe. If someone blows the whistle on a company the size of Pilot, they could get 15-30% of whatever the government was owed and successfully collects because of the whistleblower.
There could be someone getting rich off this.
Here is a link to more info about the program:
(link...)
True
(in reply to Jerry A. )
an office employee of Smith-Kline Beecham back when they had medical labs outed them for medicare/medicaid fraud and became an instant millionaire.
Some people have all the luck.
So yes someone could have outed Pilot.
Another Speculation
(in reply to Jerry A. )
What happens to the receipts after a purchase is made at Pilot? They usually ask if you want it or not. If not they appear to throw it away. It would be very easy for an informant to make many purchases, refuse the receipts, write down the time, amount and items purchased. Then the Feds could look over their files to see whether it shows up or not. If not they would nail them for tax evasion. Or would that be impossible for them to search?
One outcome I'd like to see
(in reply to Jerry A. )
One outcome I'd like to see from this is to have the governor to reveal the sources of his income. But that's wishful thinking.
Obama's Whistleblower
Obama's Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act is as about as genuine as Bush's Clear Skies Act.
But you are correct in that there’s nothing but speculation and theories to this point.
And that assumes this stuff ever gets to a point. Ask Chad Tindell.
Appearent reason reported;
Appearent reason reported; (link...)
If I were an executive over
(in reply to metulj)
If I were an executive over at Comdata, I'd be busy making sure my books were spotless. I'm willing to bet that a "suspend destruction of documents" order went out in the last week.
This means this is all a
(in reply to metulj)
But is it illegal? Would it be illegal if it were called “fuel insurance”?
Seems I remember Hertz having something like this back when I was using rentals.
I get the immediacy point, but I would think the rebate price would be date certain.
Is it your speculation that the dates could have been played with?
An employee who was present
(in reply to metulj)
(link...)
Playing devil’s advocate,
(in reply to metulj)
there could be a lot of room to play with this concept in the fuel industry, where price changes can happen by the minute.
Some accountant at HQ doesn’t have the same real time software as the pump price changing software, and voilà, it’s a clerical error.
If anything, my bet is regardless what this is; it will end up as a fine and/or a midlevel firing.
That and fodder for the crazies who think this is Obama “getting” Haslam for his healthcare position.
but it really exposes what
(in reply to metulj)
that's an interesting observation. aren't most giant corporations today actually finance companies? or, at least, blur the line between service/production and finance?
(link...)
(in reply to metulj)
(link...)
Cleveland TV station has KNS
Cleveland TV station has KNS report with some amusing comments.
The statement concluded that
The statement concluded that it was not for the company to say if the investigation was “politically motivated.”
Hahaha. They've been reading the KNS comments. Obama is coming after the Haslams for not playing ball on Obamacare. Right.
^^^ You just talked your way
(in reply to metulj)
^^^ You just talked your way out of an invitation to join me in a criminal conspiracy, mister.
Heh.
(in reply to metulj)
I always did enjoy a rousing episode of Let's Make a Deal!
What no bombers to find? Oh
What no bombers to find? Oh yeah, the FBI is asking the public for help on that one.
Funny when the whistleblowers come from ORNL, where's the FBI then?
Rebates
Here's my guess: the IRS is investigating customers who got the rebates and didn't declare them as income - or lower the price they paid for fuel.
Not as interesting as monetizing commodities, whistleblowers, or political intrigue. And we couldn't wag our fingers at Pilot as it is not their job to file taxes for their customers. They would just be the repository of the information.
Anyway - time will tell.
More comments from the
More comments from the Cleveland peanut gallery.
Greg Johnson piles on Obama
Greg Johnson piles on Obama revenge meme...
Presumably this actually appeared in print in a major metro newspaper?
I can't believe the KNS
(in reply to R. Neal)
I can't believe the KNS printed that garbage. No substance. No point. No coherence of thought. Just red meat for the comment section I guess...
So if we're throwing Gibson in the mix,
(in reply to R. Neal)
shouldn't their political connection be explained?
Impeachable offense?
An even bigger scandal than Solyndra, which of course was bigger than Watergate?
Right, an IRS/FBI raid and investigation of Pilot/FJ obviously points to an impeachable offense by Obama.
Seriously, this is one reason the raid would not be a political act. The ammo that it gives to the truthers and swiftboaters could not possibly be worth it. If Pilot/Haslam are political targets here, there would need to be serious law breaking and charges (I still can hardly imagine) required to offset the political boon this obviously is to the wingnut loonies like Johnson.
And somebody needs to remind Greg Johnson that Gibson was actually guilty of violating the Lacey Act:
How does he think lawbreakers like Gibson should be treated? I know incidents like the Gibson raid pushes all the truthers' buttons, and that one in particular holds special status because Gibson Guitars occupies a special, hallowed corporate spot among yazoos like Greg Johnson because it represents their notion of perfect American culture, along with shitty beer and Harley Davidsons. But in violating such laws, Gibson screwed not only federal and international environmental laws and ebony wood sustainability. They screwed all the other guitar companies, including cultural icons similar to Gibson like Fender and Martin. They also screwed the violin family industry, including the luthiers of violins, cellos and double basses. I have heard the supply of perfectly black and tight grain, flawless ebony is gone forever. Thanks, assholes at Gibson. And have fun with your little political Easter eggs, Greg Johnson.
I remember that Gibson CEO
I remember that Gibson CEO Henry Juszkiewicz became a big Tea Party supporter and icon (martyr?) during the last election season. He had been tight with Rainforest Alliance, which issued a major CYA statement for him after the Gibson raid that went way beyond the RA programs he had been involved with. I'll never give to that organization again.
In other state news...
MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) — Federal prosecutors say 24 current and former Internal Revenue Service employees have been charged with stealing government benefits.
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From Cleveland; (link...)
Yikes!
(in reply to Average Guy)
Yikes!
Sounds like they may be trying to make a RICO case.
Looking that way
(in reply to R. Neal)
Page 7, section "k"; (link...)
If anybody was stupid enough to put that on paper, I'd say some big dogs may get whole new perspective on "f**cking".
...leaving the Cleveland
(in reply to R. Neal)
...leaving the Cleveland Browns holding a very large and empty bag if asset forfeiture comes into play, not to mention a rather large donut hole in the UT football endowment.
Ho-lee shee-it.