Mon
Feb 26 2007
09:22 am
By: R. Neal
Concerned citizens picketed the Knoxville News Sentinel on Saturday in support of Don Williams (bio). According to a participant, KNS security ran them off. More on the controversy here.

Bill Poppen supports Don Williams (photographer unknown)
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Go Bill! Proud to have made
Go Bill! Proud to have made your acquaintance!
wonderful
When will he be back and we will join him! To cut another liberal voice from the paper is just wrong. We will bring our lawn chairs and our coolers and stay until this is resolved, anyone want to organize this one?
This getting any
This getting any coverage?
Surely the Knox News is all over it.
get ms bean down there
The shopper has no fear of the parent company, call Ms. Bean and I bet she would be there in a flash!
This guy is really on the right track he just needs us to support him. I bet WATE and WVLT would also be there for their noon news if someone would just e mail this blog over to them? Anyone have their address?? This could really grow.
interesting policy
KNS seems to have an interesting policy on picket lines. If its at Y12 or a plant in Loudon County, send a reporter. If it is at the KNS, send security.
That was pretty funny.
That was pretty funny.
Umm, the guy looks like he
Umm, the guy looks like he might actually be on KNS property, in which case they have the right to "run him off." If he's on public ROW, that's another story.
Ms. Margaret
Ms. Margaret
Don Williams
What a worthless, spineless, corporatist, piece-of-crap excuse for a "newspaper"! I subscribe solely for the benefit of my 85-year-old mother -- who, like me, is an expatriated Knoxvillian far from home -- if it wasn't for her I'd cancel these sorry, cowardly bastards in a heartbeat.
Darrell Sherrod
Kokomo IN
Wow ... I am inspired by Mr
Wow ... I am inspired by Mr Williams!
The company I contract to wants me to test and develop software for a client, but I would rather work on server issues. We've been going around and around about this ... imagine, they want to tell me what to do while I am working for them! The nerve!
Oh get a life...
if you can't tell the difference between working on software or server issues and writing an OPINION column for a newspaper just stop bothering us with your asinine presence.
They were paying him to write his opinions and then telling him what opinions he could have...that is censorship and it is against the First Amendment which the press is supposed to uphold. And when he protested they cut his work and pay in half. If your employer did that to you how would you react?
Don Williams did the right thing and the News Sentinel and Jack McElroy were wrong on this, but you right-wingnut blowhards can't stop blowing hot air out your pie-holes long enough to see if this can happen to someone who's opinions don't fit in with the right-wing viewpoint now, the very same damn thing can happen to your side when the pendulum swings the other way. And if you think that things are going to stay on the right-wing side of the political spectrum forever then you haven't studied your history well enough to have graduated from high school yet.
"You can't fix stupid..." ~ Ron White"
"I never said I wasn't a brat..." ~ Talidapali
so true!
They were paying him to write his opinions and then telling him what opinions he could have...that is censorship and it is against the First Amendment which the press is supposed to uphold."
Outstanding way to look at the mess!
I loved the earlier line about calling security.
Any word on when this guy will be back so we can drop by?
How typical ... no wonder
How typical ... no wonder "progressive" is becoming a pejorative ... like "liberal" has. With the media so severely biased to the left, I would not think that the loss of one deranged columnist would get so many pairs of panties all in a frenzy. And Mr Williams most definitely is deranged, his rants over the years have moved farther and farther from reality as the BDS set in and festered away. Even when he wrote on liberal subjects with which I agree, I found him to be uncomfortably embarrassing in the way he presented his views. He is no loss to the KNS.
The fact is, Mr Williams was informed many times what his job duties were ... to write on local issues. He did not comply. McElroy tried to give him a compromise, one that would allow him to continue writing on the subjects he chose, just less often.
Ultimately, the departure of Mr Williams from the KNS is the CHOICE of Mr Williams alone, he is responsible for this outcome and no one else. Calling it censorship is simply disingenuous at best, dishonest would be most accurate.
A job is a job and the boss is the boss. If you don't want to do the job your boss demands of you, then you should do like Williams and leave.
It's called taking responsibility for one's actions and the consequences that result.
Go back to school...
you obviously failed reading comprehension and basic English because you patently don't understand the meaning of OPINION.
When one is hired to write opinion and then is told what opinion one will write that is not opinion, that is stenography of the employer's views only. To label it as the "opinion" of the writer is false and misleading to the reader.
Basically the editor was asking his writer to LIE by omission by writing "opinions" that were approved but to not say that he was TOLD WHAT TO WRITE AND HOW TO WRITE IT.
So when is the editor going to take responsibility for his actions and admit that he was wrong and that the writer was well within his rights to refuse to write a column that was compromised by censorship?
And as far as the "derangement" of Mr. Williams... since I doubt very much that you or even (GASP) Bill Frist can make a psychological diagnosis by osmosis through the newspaper (unlike Video tape in "Dr." Frist's case) your "opinion" of Mr. Williams mental state is to be regarded with a HUMONGOUS grain of salt.
"You can't fix stupid..." ~ Ron White"
"I never said I wasn't a brat..." ~ Talidapali
And Mr Williams most
And Mr Williams most definitely is deranged, his rants over the years have moved farther and farther from reality as the BDS set in and festered away.
So is that your diagnosis as a medical professional? Can we see your credentials? And the HIPPA signoff on releasing private patient info?
But seriously, that's a bit out of line.
Such anger ... my goodness.
Such anger ... my goodness. Personal attacks, disingenuous statements, dishonesty. Just like Williams! But again, so typical.
FYI ... I most certainly know what an opinion is. Do you know what the difference is between local and national? Apparently this is causing some confusion here, just like it did for Mr Williams.
It doesn't require a medical degree to recognize derangement and disconnect from reality, unless one suffers from it themselves ... then the rose-colored glasses get a little cloudy.
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Disingenuous much?
ALL politics are LOCAL
As Tip O'Neill pointed out more than once
Ooooo. I'm so damn impressed you can link to a Republican right-wing think tank writer's articles... like he hasn't got a SERIOUS bias problem. We can play dueling links all day, too bad the truth has a liberal bias.
Lies about the reasons for going to war much?
"You can't fix stupid..." ~ Ron White"
"I never said I wasn't a brat..." ~ Talidapali
Such anger ... my goodness.
Such anger ... my goodness. Personal attacks, disingenuous statements, dishonesty. Just like Williams!
You mean like this one? Pot, meet kettle.
And Mr Williams most definitely is deranged, his rants over the years have moved farther and farther from reality as the BDS set in and festered away.
Leftie debate tactic #3,752
Leftie debate tactic #3,752 - argue dumb points until everyone is tired of the stupidity.
Leftie debate tactic #2,378 - pick nits that are irrelevant to the actual topic at hand.
Batting .1000 today .. congrats!
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Disingenuous much?
nope...
what I have is a sig tag...what you have is another right-wing lying liar link disguised as a sig tag...
P.S. rightie debate tactic...never speak the truth when a lie will do. Never actually debate a real point, just vomit up the talking points again. You're batting a 1000 today too. Too bad you aren't actually debating with facts on your side.
"You can't fix stupid..." ~ Ron White"
"I never said I wasn't a brat..." ~ Talidapali
Ahh, I see. The old double
Ahh, I see. The old double standard again. Only leftie opinions are valid, anything from the right of center is a lie. Gotcha. But would you mind terribly answering Mr Hanson's question? Since, of course, you have ALL the answers! Thanks so much!
I eagerly await your answer ...
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Disingenuous much?
Here's your answer...
because the Bush Administration's mouthpieces such as Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice walked into Congress and the United Nations and LIED their asses off about the intelligence which did NOT support their justifications to go to war, they refused to allow Senators and Congressmen who voiced reservations to see the actual intelligence reports, and they tried to smear people like Joseph Wilson, who tried to point out that justifications being given in the build-up to invasion were not accurate. This has ALL been documented and is available for anyone to look at, but of course, never let a little reading and actual facts get in the way of a good LIE.
The Democrats the article mentioned were naive in believing that an American President would NEVER take his country to war again after the debacle of Viet Nam without incontrovertible PROOF that such action was necessary. They learned their lesson, we can only hope, with the LYING that is going on now surrounding Iran.
Oh and by the way...they did not vote for a "War with Iraq" they voted to allow the use of force to combat terrorists. (Please note in the text of that link that ALL of the now discredited reasons for allowing the use of force, such as Al Qaeda's presence in Iraq and WMD's and nuclear threats, etc. are included) Bush just used that authorization to claim that he had the authority to go into Iraq. At the time, we were much more concerned about Al Qaeda and Afghanistan. By the way...seen Osama Bin Laden lately?...neither has George Bush (not that he cares).
"You can't fix stupid..." ~ Ron White"
"I never said I wasn't a brat..." ~ Talidapali
Another obvious answer is...
Bush is the Commander-in-Chief.
(Which is everyone's misfortune.)
Oh yeah! That's right.
Oh yeah! That's right. History only began with Bush became president in 2000. Everything that occurred prior to that ceased to exist the moment he took the oath of office ... NOW that all makes sense! Isn't that convenient!
Heh. Nice try.
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Disingenuous much?
In short
To borrow the analogy in Animal House, those Democrats screwed up. They trusted The President of the United States, and his word about Saddam Hussein's alleged crimes. All the key points of which were phony.
And unlike this POTUS, they would acknowledge they are human. Given the circumstances, though, including complete lack of remorse from those who pulled the trigger and would have done so regardless, I can understand HRC's (and the rest of those Dems') reluctance to apologize.
Not to mention the fact...
That if HRC (especially) does acknowledge that she made a mistake, the Republicans will try to EVISCERATE her like they did with John Kerry in 2004. First they demand that the Dems who voted for the resolution apologize for being lied to and (with no evidence available to make them aware of those LIES) actually taking the President at his word ('cause we all KNOW how STRAIGHT a shooter he is right? Right?). Then they demand that the Dems defend their "first I voted for it before I voted against it" wishy-washiness.
And they feign ignorance as to why liberals, and progressives, and Democrats have had enough and react with such venom. Cry me a frickin' river...it is time for the Republican way of doing things to go the way of the dodo.
If you haven't got any real, substantive ideas for moving this country forward (by definition that's progressive) so that we can compete in the growing global economy then sit down, shut up, and stay out of our way. The first thing we have to do to move forward is to get our troops OUT OF A WAR THAT WAS BASED ON LIES.
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"You can't fix stupid..." ~ Ron White"
"I never said I wasn't a brat..." ~ Talidapali
"To borrow the analogy in
"To borrow the analogy in Animal House, those Democrats screwed up. They trusted The President of the United States, and his word about Saddam Hussein's alleged crimes. All the key points of which were phony.
"And unlike this POTUS, they would acknowledge they are human. Given the circumstances, though, including complete lack of remorse from those who pulled the trigger and would have done so regardless, I can understand HRC's (and the rest of those Dems') reluctance to apologize."
This fascinates me. I understand the sentiment, but on the other hand, if you want to be the president of the free world, shouldn't you know better than to take somebody's word for it? Shouldn't you have come to a different conclusion? Gee whiz, I was duped! That argument is laughable.
Excuse me...????
So you're saying that when someone lies to you and gives you false evidence, and you have NO ACCESS (for reasons of national security of course) to anything that will lead you to believe that they are NOT telling the truth that you are STILL not supposed to believe them?
Man, if the Dems had done THAT can you imagine all the screaming that would still be going on from the right-wingnuts?
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"You can't fix stupid..." ~ Ron White"
"I never said I wasn't a brat..." ~ Talidapali
They screamed about one guy
They screamed about one guy who did have access, Bob Graham, who was on the Senate intelligence committee. He came out early and hard against the war because he knew it was based on lies. He also tried to get the 9/11 report sections about Saudi involvement un-redacted. The wingnuts got everybody to believe he was crazy and got him eliminated early from the 2004 presidential race. He was a good candidate. They don't seem to get very far.
But but but...
don't you know Randy that all progressives/liberals/Democrats are just deranged moonbats????
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"You can't fix stupid..." ~ Ron White"
"I never said I wasn't a brat..." ~ Talidapali
"So you're saying that when
"So you're saying that when someone lies to you and gives you false evidence, and you have NO ACCESS (for reasons of national security of course) to anything that will lead you to believe that they are NOT telling the truth that you are STILL not supposed to believe them?
"Man, if the Dems had done THAT can you imagine all the screaming that would still be going on from the right-wingnuts?"
Um, what? Plenty of Democratic politicians votes aginst the war authorization. I guess they somehow resisted that irresistable force. For example, from (link...), those who voted nay on October 11, 2002, against Joint Resolution 114 – the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002:
" ... let's take a moment to look at the names and the words of the Senators who defied bullying by Team Bush and had the wisdom and courage to vote "nay" on October 11, 2002.
Here are the brave ones:
Daniel Akaka (D-HI)
Jeff Bingaman (D-NM)
Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
Robert Byrd (D-WV)
Lincoln Chafee (R-RI)
Kent Conrad (D-ND)
Jon Corzine (D-NJ)
Mark Dayton (D-MN)
Richard Durbin (D-IL)
Russell Feingold (D-WI)
Robert Graham (D-FL)
Daniel Inouye (D-HI)
James Jeffords (I-VT)
Edward Kennedy (D-MA)
Patrick Leahy (D-VT)
Carl Levin (D-MI)
Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)
Patty Murray (D-WA)
Jack Reed (D-RI)
Paul Sarbanes (D-MD)
Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)
Paul Wellstone (D-MN)
Ron Wyden (D-OR)
And do you have some kind of
mental telepathy that tells you they voted against the resolution because they KNEW that they were being lied to or they voted against military involvement because they thought that a diplomatic solution would work better? Or that they thought our focus should remain in Afghanistan where we already had troops on the ground that needed our support for the mission they were already engaged in?
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"You can't fix stupid..." ~ Ron White"
"I never said I wasn't a brat..." ~ Talidapali
Oh and by the way...they did
Oh and by the way...they did not vote for a "War with Iraq" they voted to allow the use of force to combat terrorists"
I love your style and your thoughts but I kinda think you are slipping on the vote. Read it and you will see what they voted on and yes the word IRAQ was in it.
Today is not the time to bitch about why we are there and it sure isn't the time to go after Bush (cause he can't be elected again) but it IS the time to stop the fighting inside our party, pick Hillary to be the next President and move on.
Look, she promises to have us OUT in 90 days, so there is the FIX to the problem. Now if we can get the country to believe in her we need to spend our time working to get her elected and not re-hashing what could have or would have been.
Lord help us all we could go back to LBJ and his love of war if we wanted but lets just stick with O8..get Hillary elected and bring everyone home in 90 days!
Also after seeing Al last night (he looked outstanding and was the most funny person on stage) it is a sure bet he will not get back in the game. If he had then I might have looked at him as VP with Hillary, unbeatable!
Iraq was brought into the War on Terror...
by this resolution, based solely on the trumped up evidence that Al Qaeda was receiving training in Iraq. And that Saddam Hussein (who hated Bin Laden's guts, but wasn't above letting him bloody the nose of the U.S. so they would stop standing on Hussein's neck for a while) was providing financial support to Al Qaeda which has also proven to be false. Like I said, the main reasons they outlined in the resolution have all been debunked as false.
No WMD's
No Al Qaeda in Iraq before we invaded.
No reconstituted nuclear program or bombs.
No purchases of yellowcake uranium in Niger.
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"You can't fix stupid..." ~ Ron White"
"I never said I wasn't a brat..." ~ Talidapali
come on!
talidapali, I'm not saying anybody is a mind reader. I'm saying that there are a fair number of politicans who have opposed the Iraq war from the start, on principle. I know, it's a crazy concept.
In my opinion, part of the reason why Bush won re-election is that the Democrats did not put up credible anti-war opposition.
riiiiiiiight...
and give the freepers and wingnuts free shots at calling us terrorists and anti-americans and traitors????
Fool me once...shame on you;fool me twice...shame on me. Which is more than the genius in the White House can say...
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"You can't fix stupid..." ~ Ron White"
"I never said I wasn't a brat..." ~ Talidapali