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Apr 10 2015
06:52 pm

Martin O'Malley
Lincoln Chafee
Hillary Clinton
Others?

TNBlue's picture

Charlie Brown of TN

Charlie Brown of TN

The Dude's picture

Elizabeth Warren

Elizabeth Warren

Rachel's picture

Warren has stated

Warren has stated unequivocally over and over that she won't run. Look elsewhere.

fischbobber's picture

Warren

Warren is posturing.

She will be a player in this election, the question will be, "In what capacity?"

Rachel's picture

I don't think she is. And

I don't think she is. And I'd like for her to run, because although she wouldn't get the nomination, she'd make sure important issues were discussed.

But she's a straight shooter on everything else, and when she repeatedly says that she is NOT running, period, I believe her.

fischbobber's picture

On that level

I tend to agree with you, however should her issues bot be presented in the manner in which she feels is just, I would submit that she would have sufficient cause to change her mind.

At this point, I think the question of whether or not Hillary would adopt her agenda is more apropos. I think Warren and Obama on the Supreme Court would probably add a nice balance to the group.

Factchecker's picture

Dream ticket

I don't think she would change her mind. I believe she feels she doesn't have enough political leadership experience and she'd probably be right.

But damn, we can dream about a Warren/Sanders ticket. Oh, can we dream...

Mike Knapp's picture

Or a Warren/Sherrod Brown ticket

Nice to have some help with Ohio.

Mike Knapp's picture

Bernie Sanders

“We once led the world in terms of the percentage of our people who graduated college, but we are now in 12th place. Our infrastructure, once the envy of the world, is collapsing. Real unemployment today is not 5.8 percent, it is 11.5 percent if we include those who have given up looking for work or who are working part time when they want to work full time. Youth unemployment is 18.6 percent and African-American youth unemployment is 32.6 percent,” Sanders said.

No ties to big banks, a solid progressive economic platform, Medicare for all. Yep, he's having trouble raising the gazillion dollars Citizens United says is needed to run. The country, the working class and the democrats would do well to hear what he has to say. Not a Leninist, he's an unapologetic, straight talking liberal democrat as opposed to a neoliberal democrat.

On another note for gits and shiggles here's PPP's most recent poll of potential presidential candidate polling.

Clinton's position is unchanged from February- she was at 54% then and she's at 54% now. Elizabeth Warren at 14%, Joe Biden at 7%, Bernie Sanders at 6%, Martin O'Malley at 3%, and Jim Webb at 2% round out the field.

Sanders 12-point economic program

* Invest in our crumbling infrastructure with a major program to create jobs by rebuilding roads, bridges, water systems, waste water plants, airports, railroads and schools.

* Transform energy systems away from fossil fuels to create jobs while beginning to reverse global warming and make the planet habitable for future generations.

* Develop new economic models to support workers in the United States instead of giving tax breaks to corporations which ship jobs to low-wage countries overseas.

* Make it easier for workers to join unions and bargain for higher wages and benefits.

* Raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 an hour so no one who works 40 hours a week will live in poverty.

* Provide equal pay for women workers who now make 78 percent of what male counterparts make.

* Reform trade policies that have shuttered more than 60,000 factories and cost more than 4.9 million decent-paying manufacturing jobs.

* Make college affordable and provide affordable child care to restore America’s competitive edge compared to other nations.

* Break up big banks. The six largest banks now have assets equivalent to 61 percent of our gross domestic product, over $9.8 trillion. They underwrite more than half the mortgages in the country and issue more than two-thirds of all credit cards.

* Join the rest of the industrialized world with a Medicare-for-all health care system that provides better care at less cost.

* Expand Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and nutrition programs.

* Reform the tax code based on wage earners’ ability to pay and eliminate loopholes that let profitable corporations stash profits overseas and pay no U.S. federal income taxes.

John Cassidy at the New Yorker 12/2014
Bernie Sanders’s Progressive Manifesto

Factchecker's picture

More Warren vs. HRC

P.S. Did you read about how she was so nervous about being on The Daily Show for the first time that she threw up twice (IIRC)? It was not all that long ago. Hillary, OTOH, has probably been working on her acceptance speech since college. I don't mean that in a bad way. She just has the ovaries to make it happen. Wish I liked her more in the personal appeal column, though. Her stock there has been falling with me for a long time. Way too much pandering. But she may have calculated it will help more than hurt.

fischbobber's picture

It's relative at this point.

Compared to virtually anyone the republicans run and by virtue of her qualities standing alone, Hillary is sane and competent.

She may not be the best bet for America, but those two qualities put her heads and tails above anyone the Republicans are likely to run.

Factchecker's picture

More HRC musings

The Citizens United assholes (Assholes United?) will really pull out all the stops against her. She'll be the Willie Horton who murdiddlyured Vince Foster or some mixed metaphor like that. I really dread it, and I really don't want to contribute any dollars anymore, though I shelled out as much as I could in the last two elections. Will she be able to fundraise anywhere near as well as Obama did? Could be more, of course.

It would be interesting, though, to see if society will be less or more tolerant of the bigotry toward her after the tactics that have become commonplace on this president.

fischbobber's picture

I'm not convinced

They may try to cut a deal and she may take it. If given the choice between throwing their employees a bone and paying a living wage (the choice on the table) CU will take the bone and the bought off politician any day. I'm not anti-Hillary, but I'm not convinced she's going to stand up for the middle class either.

Show me.

She'll get my vote though.

Factchecker's picture

I don't follow

Who would be offering a deal and what would it be?

fischbobber's picture

HRC

Hillary is decidedly mainstream maybe even a tad right of center. Should a candidate with a more populist appeal come to the forefront, there may be a decision to move money her way in exchange for consideration down the road. I see the financial sector as one strong possibility for funding.

I prefer Hillary to virtually anyone the Republicans bring to the table, but she is reinventing herself as a populist. It doesn't come naturally. She is much more a centrist with sympathy for the right, in my opinion. Frankly, I hope she proves me wrong.

Min's picture

I need another option.

I don't want to have to hold my nose and vote for Hillary Clinton.

bizgrrl's picture

Candidates

Who would you like to vote for besides Clinton or Warren?

Min's picture

I'd vote for Warren...

...but she won't run. I just want another reasonable option besides Hillary Clinton.

Of course, I could just vote for Bernie Sanders. :-)

Mike Knapp's picture

Bernie will make decision by 4/30

Spokesman: Sanders 2016 run choice by April 30

In a statement issued through a spokesman, Sanders said Clinton and other candidates must address "the grotesque level of income and wealth inequality that is crushing our middle class; high unemployment and low wages; the threat that global climate change presents to our future and the future of our children; and the fact that democracy itself is at risk because of the catastrophic decision of the Supreme Court in the Citizens United case."

Sanders, who describes himself as a "democratic socialist," frequently cites the high court's 2010 decision, which said the government can't restrict the size of independent campaign expenditures made by a nonprofit corporation, as a key consideration as he approaches his decision whether to run.

"We are … trying to determine whether or not we can raise the very substantial sums of money one needs in this day and age to run a campaign against people who have unlimited sums of money," he told New Hampshire Public Radio during a recent visit to that early primary state.

Min's picture

On The Nightly Show last week...

...he pretty much said that he is running.

Mike Knapp's picture

Strategery

He's anticipated HRC's announcement, will let the announcement din die down and milk the interlude to highlight the perversion of Citizens United. I trust him when he says that he wants to run a real campaign and is having trouble assembling copious amounts of cash. He's not getting any from Goldman Sachs is he...

Factchecker's picture

What is her campaign thinking?

And about her logo. Bad? Or worst ever?

A_Falk's picture

as someone who

identifies as both "left" and "anti-war", it makes me feel a bit ill when i see fellow tennesseans express support for HRC -- we live in a giveaway red state, we don't have to face the existential crisis "select the lesser of two evils"...

Knoxgal's picture

To be fair to HRC

While HRC voted for the Iraq war, I think (hope) it was on the basis of lies promulgated by the Bush administration. I suspect (hope) a lot of pro-war votes were cast on this basis. She has made vague statements like "based on what I knew at the time", but she needs to spell this out more clearly.

A_Falk's picture

I don't think that

HRC's horrible foreign policy track-record is limited to the Iraq War vote...

nice rundown here: (link...)

Knoxoasis's picture

Do you think that Iraq is the

Do you think that Iraq is the beginning and end of her pro-war stance? I don't remember her opposing her husbands warmaking in Kosovo or Bosnia.

But that's ancient history. More to the point, who said "we came, we saw, he died?" And how did that work out?

Somebody's picture

In case you missed it

..and you probably did, because the traditional media has somehow ignored it, Wayne LaPierre told the NRA meeting in Nashville last weekend that the next president should really be a white guy, saying "eight years of one demographically symbolic president is enough."

I guess that isn't really shocking, but maybe it should be.

Min's picture

That would certainly play to the NRA crowd.

They were mostly old white people, based on the delegates I saw outside the convention hall.

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