Tue
Sep 10 2013
07:53 am
By: R. Neal
The Tennessean reports via WBIR that CoverTN policies for small businesses do not meet the minimum requirements under the Affordable Care Act and will therefore be shut down Jan. 1st.
The program, which at last count covered approx. 20,000 adults, suspended enrollment in 2009.
RELATED: The Kaiser Family Foundation Exchange Subsidy Calculator mentioned in the article.
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I don't understand why Kaiser's calculator does ask us to key in household income and family size, but does not allow us to key in the amount we pay for health insurance through our employer(s).
When I tried to use the calculator, I got only a response indicating that, due to my answering that we have access to employer health insurance, my household cannot participate in the exchange unless we pay more than 9.5% of our income for its premiums.
We have always paid around 10% of our income for its premiums and, at the new position my husband is to assume this week, we will now pay waaay more than 10% of our income for premiums.
Knowing the median household income for Knox County and knowing about what employers' premiums to be payroll deducted for family health coverage generally run, I would think that most local families pay as much proportionately as we do.
So I would also think that this calculator is inadequate to provide any definitive info on options for most local families.
Where's the calculator that will tell me if we have options?
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(in reply to metulj)
And I think, Toby, that you are a 1%-er with a PhD who is employed by government. Well, I know you are.
I certainly don't begrudge you that level of financial ease, but I don't think you're much attuned to median household income in Knox County, either.
MuniNet says its $47, 589--not $75,000 or $150,000, either one.
Any family health policy that costs just $475 per month (10% of that income level) was clearly catastrophic coverage, back when it existed, and is illegal today.
This household's family health policy costs the employer over $2,000 per month, a large chunk of which is passed on to the employee, and which chunk most certainly constitutes more than 10% of this household's income.
The descriptor "ivory tower" comes to mind...
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(in reply to metulj)
My apology again for being so abrupt earlier.
I've signed up to receive training as a PPACA volunteer "counselor," so I'll be sure to pass on any healthcare savings tips I should learn.
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And our COBRA coverage for the family through the mister's recent period of unemployment ran $1279.65 per month.
I don't mind telling you that the mister didn't earn any $12,000 plus per month, even when he held that job.
Again, where's the calculator for folks who pay what we pay, proportionately, for employer-based insurance?
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(in reply to Tamara Shepherd)
Tamara,
I don't know if the mechanism for that comparison is available or will be available soon. I suggest you call 800-318-2596, the Marketplace line.
Let us know what you find out.
Keep in mind folks, implementation of the ACA is going to be a real bumpy ride so hold on!
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(Back from running my son in to school...)
Toby, that last comment of mine sounded harsher than I intended, so my apologies. I meant only to point out 1) that your own financial circumstances aren't representative of the median, and 2) that Knox Countians' median household income of $47 589 doesn't vary much from Americans' median household income of $52,946, per MuniNet anyway.
I do not therefore expect that this family's proportionate cost of health insurance relative to income varies too much from that of most families nationwide.
Becky, thanks for that toll free phone number (and for your leadership at the Beck Center the other night, too, where I learned a lot). I'll use it later today.
I will offer that since I made that post yesterday, citing my desire to know what marketplace options may exist for households paying more than 9.5% of income for family coverage, a neighbor who works in human resources explained to me that marketplace options will likely exist only for households paying more than 9.5% of income for single coverage.
I am disappointed to expect, then, that the PPACA's marketplace will not likely offer any relief for families dedicating 15% and 20% and 25% of household income to health insurance premiums.
That gap in the Act would be at least as disappointing as the gap we know exists for households unable to get relief from any Medicaid expansion, but unable to afford marketplace premiums, either.
Ah, well. I have to date supported the PPACA and I will be sure to share here any tips I should pick up in the coming weeks as to how we Average Joes may benefit from the new marketplace.
One thing about the
One thing about the calculator is that it is kind of generic. The idea is that exchanges will promote competition at the state level, and I'm not clear how this is factored in if at all. Maybe it's just based on overall federal statutory limits and guidelines.
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(in reply to R. Neal)
BTW, we were told at the Beck Center meeting Monday night that, just two or three weeks from enrollment launch, only three health insurance companies have yet signed up to participate in the federal marketplace to serve East Tennessee.
Those are BC/BS, Cigna, and a third that didn't make its way into my notes. Becky?
(I do recall that the third company is not United Healthcare, whose extraordinarily high premiums we in my household would like to escape.)
The application for each of those companies was still pending effective Monday, so we may not have any details on their offerings prior to the October 1 launch.
HDHP
(in reply to Tamara Shepherd)
High premiums and high deductibles. They act like the $0 copay is a real favor or something. I'd rather have the copays and some relief on the deductible.
Words of warning regarding United's HSA (via Optum Health Bank), by the way: their debit card security is non-existent. Someone got hold of the card number tied to the HSA, ran up a few thousand bucks in hotel stays in Istanbul, and Optum didn't lift a finger either to point out the potential fraud nor help out in chargebacks or criminal prosecution. (Punchline: since foreign hotel stays aren't allowed medical expenses, I as the victim of said fraud was going to be liable for a principal+30% tax penalty unless those charges were reversed.)
Seems to me that they could spend a few bucks on coding that would categorize debit card purchases and flag any suspicious activity, or ask for permission before allowing things like Internet purchase of hotel visits in high fraud areas of the globe. I only work with Optum on a paper-check reimbursement basis anymore.
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(in reply to Andy Axel)
United Healthcare is apparently "spending a few bucks" on some sort of administrative expenses.
We got a letter from them a week or two back indicating that, under Medical Loss Ratio provisions of the PPACA, they are required to issue us a rebate check for their having incurred admin costs in excess of 15% of premiums collected.
One too many stories on their gilded downtown skyscraper, maybe?
Perhaps
(in reply to Tamara Shepherd)
Perhaps even simpler than that...
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(in reply to Andy Axel)
CEO's compensation is $48.83 million annually?!
Bingo.
Three companies
(in reply to Tamara Shepherd)
Humana, BCBS and Community Health Alliance.
(CIGNA is going to service other parts of TN but not here.)
Tamara, have you tried calling CHA to see if they will release to you their provider directory?
Keep in mind that each of the 3 companies can offer up to 4 different plans.
In the early 1990s I went to a presentation about the future of health care insurance. They predicted then that there would only be 4 major carriers in a few years. That has basically come to be. At one time I worked for the huge MetLife (remember the Peanuts gang?). During my time there they merged with Travelers and in a year or so that entity got bought out by the much smaller (at that time) United Health Care, but I was gone by then.
Humana is huge here in east TN because they bought the old Caritan business. Just about every doc and hospital is contracted with them.
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(in reply to B Harmon)
Gotcha, Becky. Humana, not Cigna, here in ET. Had it wrong in my notes...
No, I just now learned about Community Health Alliance. Didn't have their name in my notes, either, and don't recall their being discussed at the meeting?
I certainly will call CHA, though. Their organizational concept sounds to me like the way health insurance really should be provided.
No, I just now learned about
(in reply to Tamara Shepherd)
No, I just now learned about Community Health Alliance. Didn't have their name in my notes, either, and don't recall their being discussed at the meeting?
It was discussed. I got the name from my meeting notes.
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(in reply to Bbeanster)
I realize they gave us the names of all three ET insurers and I knew I headed home with just two of those, but I don't think they actually discussed CHA itself, in terms of its being a co-op and having certain of its providers serving on its board and so forth?
That's what I meant by "discussed."
I think theirs is an interesting approach, though, so I think I'll do as Becky suggests and contact them for a provider list to learn more.
Somehow, I don't expect to find that they're paying their CEO $38 million, you know?!
Community Healthcare Alliance
Community Healthcare Alliance is the third option.
Oops.
Probably Community Health Alliance (I use lots of abbreviations in notes and xometimes cannot decipher them)
(link...)
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(in reply to Bbeanster)
"Community Health Alliance?" They're "Tennessee's first non-profit health co-op," your link says? Thanks.
Well, I like what I read there, especially this part...
...but I'd like to know more about who these providers are, how many of them there are, and whether they're geographically accessible to me.
In any event, I've long been frustrated to think that health care providers are completely oblivious to their own costs of service and to whether their patients might be able to afford their recommended services.
Neither have I ever come across any provider who was able to actually discuss healthcare options with me, inclusive of their various costs, and the degree to which insurance might subsidize them.
It's a refreshing concept, this one.
More info re. CHA
(in reply to Tamara Shepherd)
We had something here earlier, and there was a Metro Pulse article about them.
I used to get press releases but they stopped a while back. I had emailed to ask about more details re. their plans for the exchange, but never heard back.
According to their website press release archive, they have signed up Covenant and Tennova as providers, among others across the state.
They seem pretty legit and will hopefully bring some competition.
Article
about co-ops here
Community Health Alliance
Randy, per the link to that prior MP story on CHA that said they hoped to engage Summit Medical Group as primary providers here in Knoxville, I phoned them to ask whether they had. They said "yes," which I was glad to hear.
I also asked if CHA is able to quote any rates just yet and they said "no, not until October 1."
Becky, I forgot when I made that call to ask for CHA's provider list, but I immediately called back and left a message asking that they send me one, as it's available. Thanks for suggesting it.