Wed
Jul 13 2016
03:29 pm
I think this is important and I haven't seen it shared widely. There are actually a few surprises in here.
http://thebernreport.com/bernie-sanders-explains-why-he-endorsed-hillary-clinton/
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Thanks, Hilde, although Bob already posted this text (minus the link) to the "Trump's gonna win" thread.
I notice that at the end of Sanders' statement, a poll asks "now that Bernie has endorsed Hillary, are you going green?" Among 29,266 respondents so far, 59% have answered "yes."
Can't guess if this is indicative of how millions of Berners might vote, of course...
Other polls show most Bernie
Other polls show most Bernie supporters will follow his advice. As a Bernie supporter, I have to believe that it will be easier to flip Congress back to the Democratic party under a Clinton administration. There's a lot of work to be done down-ticket and having Trump in office is not going to work. Like Bernie says, those long-term revolutionary goals just get harder when the long-term includes years of hard rightwing hegemony and dead and retiring Supreme Court justices. There is never a good time for a Republican administration, but there is a worst time, and this is it.
+1000
(in reply to Hildegard)
+1000
The Supreme Court justices
(in reply to Hildegard)
The Supreme Court justices are important but no liberal judge will retire under Trump nor will the conservatives retire under Clinton. So, there will be Supreme Court decisions in 2020. And you never know when one of them will die.
Also, I can easily see a Trump presidency swinging Congress over to the Democrats, just like we saw during the second Bush term, while a Clinton presidency could more easily push Congress to the Republicans, as happened with the "Contract with America" and under Obama. More than likely, a Clinton or Trump presidency will be curbed because we'll have a divided government and the opposite side will have pure hate for which ever one becomes president.
Remember Obama wasn't even that effective when he had Congressional majority on his side early in his term anyway - we could and should have had universal healthcare by now. (So, despite the rhetoric on both sides, Obama basically acted like a Republican president for most of his term just as Bill Clinton did. Could you imagine the outcry if President McCain, following a Bush presidency, had continued and escalated US military intervention at the scale that Obama and Hillary have? And the critiques he would have faced from the liberals had President McCain let the insurance companies write a federal Romneycare bill that effectively blocked universal health care for years or decades?)
However, Obama should have had an overwhelming majority in Congress and he didn't because of the district lines. And that is why 2020 will be the more important election because that is when we will redraw the Congressional district lines that have been shaped by Republicans and have been a significant barrier to true progressive legislation. (see Washington Post - (link...)).
However, 2016 will set up 2020 and I'm not confident a Clinton presidency will deliver the down-ticket results we need, especially in the long term.
Game length, event horizons and the 2020 census
POLL: Now That Bernie Endorsed Hillary, Are You Going Green?
Yes (57%, 19,189 Votes)
No (24%, 7,893 Votes)
Undecided (19%, 6,433 Votes)
Total Voters: 33,515
Depending on where one is it generally takes a relatively small amount of time to vote. The game is short, quickly over. For those of us on the "left" (to the degree that we can assume any form of collective identity) one threshold question might be - is participation beyond the significant but brief act of voting in the American electoral system worth our time and effort ? If the answer is yes then how, if the answer is no then what? Being stuck in the event horizon of the black hole of American electoral politics is an odd spot. Can Bernie supporters influence electoral power dynamics without being involved in the Democratic party; should they stay in the party and organize inside it? Perhaps we could organize a third party. Perhaps we could not be electorally involved at all and instead help organize social movements. In either scenario the game length increases as does the number of players involved. IMV however neither of the scenarios affect the daunting electoral calculus that face us after decades of proficient, successful electoral organizing by the GOP and its attendant groups like the NRA, an organization which is clearly beyond the event horizon of the American political black hole. Some play innings, some games, and others series.
Bernie passed the EH long ago. He has been unabashed about his professional involvement in electoral politics. He made the conscious decision to not run as a Green nor another 3rd party candidate but instead run as a Democrat.
But Bernie is wrong here in his announcement - "All of that is the direct result of the work that our members of the platform committee did in the meetings and that you have been doing over the last 15 months. But none of these initiatives will happen if we do not elect a Democratic president in November. None! In fact, we will go backward."
Nope. None of the items in the platform will occur because Congress will most likely still be in Republican hands. Below is a map of Congressional seats considered competitive. The Democrats need 30 to flip it. We can also do the math for what type of majority is needed in the Senateto be filibuster proof. IOW this is what Ed Kilgore calls a "no mandate election."
Via 270towin

In order for the sundry policies to be enacted that either Democratic presidential candidate discussed, regardless of how good or bad they were, loss of GOP congressional control (not to mention state level policies) is a first order condition. I'll be happy, overjoyed, to be wrong if it happens before then. However from where I'm seated the best chance we have for that is after the 2020 census. Between here and there are a lot of innings, games and series. Who's gunna be on the bench?
Here's what the GOP did.
Amber Phillips in the WaPo last summer breaks it down nicely.
The Supreme Court?
(in reply to Mike Knapp)
And what about impending SCOTUS appointments? There's another branch of government that has the potential to impact major policy decisions. Are you content to let Trump make these appointments?
Of course not
(in reply to Knoxgal)
The point of the post is about whether Bernieites stay inside and work within or assemble outside and push. Moreover is the question - under what circumstances does ANY progressive legislation get passed under currently drawn districts? If the answer is none, then how the congressional district map changes is a primary concern. Meanwhile Trump is a traitor to the better parts of our American ideals. Charles Pierce has some thoughts on him today. I'd be curious to know what former Sheriff of Hutchison thinks of Trump now.
The Supreme Court
(in reply to Mike Knapp)
The Supreme Court is one path to diminishing or curing the gerrymandering problem. The best outcome would be to have the ability to intentionally create such one-sided, 'safe' districts placed out of bounds for all future state legislatures, not simply using demographics and political strategery to shift the cheat to the other side.
If Court turnover results in more jurists taking up Scalia's mantle, the problem won't be fixed. If it goes the other way, there is hope that the system could be more permanently repaired through the judicial process.
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(in reply to Somebody)
Hmm. Not sure waiting for people to die will move this ball fast enough to suit me...
I think we need to be canvassing in the U. S. Territories. We need more states. Puerto Rico is ripe for the picking. Ow...maybe the Beanster would be willing to ride shotgun with us? And Bean, you know Woody is always game for a road trip.
Of course, there's also been talk of both D.C. and NYC splitting off into their own states. I don't know any of those people...
Hey, my plan's more expedient than yours ;-)
My plan is to cast a vote in
(in reply to Tamara Shepherd)
My plan is to cast a vote in November to assure the Court shifts in the sensible direction. The seat is already open. I think there are even relevant cases in the pipeline. How much more expedient do you need to be?
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(in reply to Somebody)
I intended just some gentle ribbing, Somebody.
More seriously, Scalia's seat is open and I'm aware that Ginsberg has hinted (for years, really) that she might be on the way out. To who's seat are people referring, tho, when they suggest that "2 or 3" seats may be opening up?
Kennedy is 79 and Breyer is
(in reply to Tamara Shepherd)
Kennedy is 79 and Breyer is 77.
If a Republican is elected President this time around, you could end up with a 7-2 conservative court for the next 20 years. All that progressive stuff you say you'd like to see happen? Forget it.
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(in reply to Somebody)
Yes, I caught it the first three or four times. Thanks.
(And make that "whose seat" up there, not "who's seat.")