Thu
Apr 30 2015
07:43 pm
By: Tamara Shepherd
Mike Knapp's picture

Questions, answers?

Via Sen. Sanders Twitter

Every candidate for president must answer the following questions.
Is it morally appropriate that the 99% of all new income is going to the top 1%?
Is it good economics that the top one-tenth of 1% own almost as much wealth as the bottom 90%?
Is our democracy being destroyed when one family can spend $900 million to buy election?

Average Guy's picture

being an Independent,

does he automatically get a podium on the debate stage?

michael kaplan's picture

he's running as a democrat,

he's running as a democrat, not an independent

A_Falk's picture

Jacobin's take

Min's picture

Cool.

I'll be voting for him in the primary.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

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Same here, Min.

TurdBurglar's picture

lol

Wow. You guys are really rolling out the youth this time. Cankles vs. Grouchy Grandpa. Nice.

fischbobber's picture

It's alright.......

I'm looking forward to the Republican debate where they all gather together in the middle of the stage and sing "If I only had a brain," and then proceed to the debate where all the world's problems are blamed on "those damn muslims." Their collective solution? Stand up to'em. There is nothing quite as revealing as an insight into the perceptions of ignorant men.

Dahlia's picture

They're young at heart,

Certainly not the antiquated old curmudgeon-thinkers(?) you have.

I'm so happy Bernie is running as a Democrat! He gets my vote in the primary, too. Yay!

CE Petro's picture

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In his favor, Bernie has not avoided the press so far.

Unlike Hillary Clinton, his rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, Bernie Sanders didn't use a splashy, big-budget video to announce his campaign. Instead, the Vermont senator opted for a series of one-on-one television interviews Wednesday followed by a low-key launch event outside the US Capitol Thursday morning. "I believe that in a democracy, what elections are about are serious debates over serious issues," he said Thursday. "Not political gossip, not making campaigns into soap operas. This is not the Red Sox vs. the Yankees. This is the debate over major issues facing the American people."

Average Guy's picture

Prediction

Clinton's negatives get so high, either she bails or there is a draft Warren campaign.

Either way, Warren leads the ticket.

Republicans, who'd love to pigeon hole her as a socialist, won't be able because Bernie will be there to show them what one really is.

Warren becomes the first woman president after the GOP out crazies itself in the primaries.

Rachel's picture

Not happening. Clinton gets

Not happening. Clinton gets the nomination, barring something like a family health crisis.

I also think the Rs need to be careful. They're rolling out the guns against Clinton awfully early. People may get so tired of it by Election Day that they've long since stopped listening.

Glad Sanders is in; his presence means that important issues are gonna get discussed.

Dahlia's picture

I agree

Clinton will get the nomination, but it's a very good thing to have Bernie in there for the issues and as a Democrat so he doesn't Ralph Nader the vote in the end.

Having Carly Fiorina now in the ring will only increase the hateful attacks against Hillary so there's no slowing down, she (Carly) is such a nasty 'mean girl' that it will only bring more people to the Clinton camp.

The Republicans like their mean and nasty women to be young and pretty and Carly is neither, so it will backfire and only make Hillary more appealing, IMO.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

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However, it doesn't seem likely that we will be able to insert Bernie into some competition with Hillary every six months or so for the next eight years "for the issues," if that means "to coax Hillary into behaving like a Democrat?"

My own strategy is pretty straightforward, really. I just plan to vote for the candidate I'd like to see win, that candidate being Bernie Sanders.

Dahlia's picture

I'm not a huge Hillary fan

But I'm being practical. I do think she'll get the nomination in the end, although, Bernie will give her a good run, and as I said before, I'll be voting for him as well. The issues Bernie brings are not necessarily to make Hillary "behave like a better Democrat", but to expose the Republican's views. Without Bernie, they won't be raised or they'll only be skimmed over because we certainly cannot rely on the Main Street media to do it.

Dahlia's picture

Stream...

not 'street'. I don't know why I post things in the morning.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

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...Without Bernie, (the issues) won't be raised or they'll only be skimmed over because we certainly cannot rely on the Main Street media to do it.

Without Bernie, they wouldn't be raised because we wouldn't have a candidate willing to raise them.

If Hillary gets the nomination, whence the impetus to have them raised after the election?

Why would we consider a candidate unwilling to raise the issues? Well, why would some of us consider that?

Let's say what we mean and mean what we say. For a change.

Dahlia's picture

Tamara, I don't know

How to say it any clearer, I will be voting for Bernie, because I want him, but realistically, Hillary will probably get the nomination and then I will vote for her because she's better than any Republican running and most importantly of all, she could very well be choosing the next Supreme Court Justice.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

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I understood, Dahlia, and I didn't mean to seem to single you out. You're saying essentially what several people here are saying.

I'd just like to see Dems do everything possible to change this "realistic" outcome in the primary. I don't know how anything will change until we can change the expectations of rank and file Dems.

We've got a local chapter of Democratic Socialists, Bernie's party, whose meeting I'm attending tomorrow night. Dunno a thing about it, but it's at 5:30 p.m. Monday at the Bearden branch library. Gotta do something.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

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Top campaign contributors over their respective careers, Hillary Clinton vs. Bernie Sanders, here.

I mean, seriously.

fischbobber's picture

Nice source

Maybe everyone else that labors for their living is willing to overlook virtually every issue that would make a vote for Sanders make sense, but I won't. I'll vote Sanders and if Hillary wins, will likely vote for her, provided she takes the hint from the direction this election is going and comes out supporting a restoration of pension benefits that Obama has allowed to be stolen.

And FWIW, Duncan, Haslam, Corker, Alexander, and all the rest of you bastards that put this on the omnibus bill. FUCK YOU! We've worked for our whole lives for those pensions, they aren't a gift, they're a benefit that was earned, then stolen. But that's O.K. because I'm a positive kind of guy. But, Haslam, I'll be dogging you every night as well as the rest of you sleazy cohorts, for being nothing more than common thieves. That's what you are. You steal from those that produce wealth to line your pockets of leisure. We have no choice but to fight. If you buy the media, the fight will go to the streets.

fischbobber's picture

Pensions

The Teamsters Central States Pension Funds is cutting the pensions of present and future retirees throughout the south. Western States, having the same contributory level is fully funded. Go figure. We will get poorer and poorer in the south and have more time to research. Even after you close the libraries like you evil bastards will try, we will move under the cover of night and spread the truth. Don't think you will take people like me down without a fight.

michael kaplan's picture

Even after you close the

Even after you close the libraries like you evil bastards will try, we will move under the cover of night and spread the truth.

Recalls Ray Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

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This reminds me of the Phil Bredesen for Governor argument. That worked out well. No state income tax (in spite of the fact that his Republican predecessor favored one), 300K booted from Tenncare (over two successive cuts), and workers' comp gutted--all in his first term.

Bredesen was still at it at the end of his second term. By 2010, he was opposing the ACA in favor of a federal voucher system.

And who can forget--that very same year--Bredesen's accepting Bill Gates' offer to underwrite the cost of our "successful" Race to the Top grant app. Or his calling that clandestine "extraordinary session" in which he "successfully" persuaded legislators to approve broad ed reform measures prerequisite to submitting the federal grant app, which app he wouldn't even allow legislators to read.

If we want to understand how a Republican supermajority came to power in Tennessee, the 2002 governor's race is a pretty good starting point for our research. Personally, I voted for somebody named Sanders in that one, too. He came in third because you didn't.

(Edit: To clarify, Dahlia, that "you" was meant as a plural. Of course, I have no idea who you personally voted for in the 2002 governor's race.)

Tamara Shepherd's picture

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And I'm sorry, but it is flippin' painful to watch the gay community now lick this woman's Gucci footwear.

Bernie Sanders did not check to see which way the wind was blowin' in 1996 when he joined 67 House Dems to vote against the fed's Defense of Marriage Act. You know, the one Bill Clinton signed? Pretty much concurrent with his milquetoast "Don't ask, don't tell" tack?

All the while, Sanders' Vermont was the first state to introduce civil unions in 2000, and the first state where the Legislature passed a law legalizing same-sex marriage (without being forced to do so by a court) in 2009.

In her last presidential bid, Hillary Clinton was still saying (in 2007) that she did not support same-sex marriage.

She came out in support only in 2013, concurrent with the SCOTUS decision in U.S. v. Windsor, striking down DOMA.

Attention deficit disorder? Selective hearing? WTF???

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BTW, it was my 23 year-old daughter who posted that Major Contributors comparison, Clinton vs. Sanders, to my FB timeline last night--detailing Clinton's Goldman-Sachs, J.P. Morgan, Lehman Brothers and Credit Suisse support.

She may have voted in just one Presidential election in her life thus far, but she recognizes the 1% when she sees it and she's good to go.

Thinking of dragging her to the next Sixth District Dems meeting to teach the oldsters what for...

Hildegard's picture

I'm voting for Sanders in the

I'm voting for Sanders in the primary, but it would take a Ted Cruz R nomination to get me to vote for HRC in the general. (Note: Voting for any Democratic presidential nominee is an exercise in futility in Tennessee.) There is nothing more depressing in this election cycle than the fact that anybody is still excited about the Clintons.

Rachel's picture

Hilde - I guess since you're

Hilde - I guess since you're in Tennessee it won't matter about the general, but if you were in a swing state I would say two words to you, and I bet you can guess what they are: Supreme Court.

The next President will be making some appointments. I'll take HRC appointments over those of ANY of the Rs running. Any day. Any way. Any how.

Hildegard's picture

You know I realize that,

You know I realize that, Rachel. And if I were in a swing state, I'd vote for her.

Rachel's picture

Taking advantage of your post

Taking advantage of your post to make a point to others.

cafkia's picture

I know you realize that and

I know you realize that and far be it from me to endeavor to dictate your actions. However, I would observe that the wonderful thing about the Internet is also potentially quite damaging. I.E. you might make a witty and well-structured argument for avoiding Hillary like the plague that applies to others in this state. But those who have Internet access to your pointed display of intelligence are global. Some might even be less well-intentioned and might quote your argument, in part or in whole, in an attempt to influence the votes of others whose electoral balloting is not a foregone conclusion.

I know of no reich-winger likely to run that I would prefer to Hillary. The pragmatic in me would much rather explore other Democratic options whilst keeping in my back pocket as a hedge against another wilfully ignorant and enthusiastically evil (mis)administration from the GOP. But the pragmatic also says that giving likely opponents ammunition is a short-sighted plan.

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Missed you tonight, Cafkia. IIRC, you and I both voted for a Sanders some 13 years ago, in the 2002 governor's race? At least you said you were gonna?

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KNS ran a funny-sad political cartoon today (this one in the Business section) suggesting the SCOTUS needs to take up the issue of "same-checks marriage," as in the one between Repubs and Dems identically financed by Corporate America. Yup.

Bad Paper Original 's picture

swing state

Well, Tennessee was a swing state of sorts in Bush vs. Gore. The definitive swing state in fact.

So Martin O'Malley isn't left enough for your sensitivities? You'd rather have the limousine socialist, the anti-corp socialist, or a socialist who can't decide how socialist he is on any given day?

I think this explains why in the next election cycle there will not be a single Dem on County Commission. You're doing the protest vote all wrong.

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CNN (on Friday, May 1):

Bernie Sanders' nascent presidential campaign announced Friday that it raised more than $1.5 million in its first 24 hours, a number that far outpaces what Republican presidential hopefuls posted in their first day.

That was from 35,000 donors, so his average contribution was under $50. And he signed up 100.000 volunteers by Friday.

BTW, tonight's meeting of Knoxville's Democratic Socialists was a pleasure. Saw a few local Democrats I know. And you know.

R. Neal's picture

Hate to burst y'alls' bubble,

Hate to burst y'alls' bubble, but it seems to me these primaries are preordained by the DNC, big donors, power brokers and the national media.

Consider:

2008 Democratic presidential primary, Tennessee:

Clinton: 336,245
Obama: 252,874

How the Tennessee delegates actually voted at the convention:

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I sensed there was a lot of backroom cajoling and coordination until Hillary eventually called for a suspension of the rules and nomination of Obama by acclamation.

So yes, having a primary allows for public debate of the issues and whatnot (assuming there are credible candidates and that they will agree to debate) and that's a good thing, but it appears that in reality the primaries are mostly for show.

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So let's court us some delegates.

Dahlia's picture

Just have to throw this out there...

Carly Fiorina, ex-CEO of Hewlett Packard was remiss in registering a certain domain, haha! Major applause for the person who did this.

(link...)

R. Neal's picture

Yes, that is especially lame

Yes, that is especially lame for a former tech CEO.

Mike Knapp's picture

On tonight 8:15 on Chris Hayes' MSNBC show

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Tamara Shepherd's picture

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Darn. I missed it, Mike (but thanks).

Just came across this story: Sanders hires Obama veterans to lead 2016 digital operations.

Excerpt:

During the 2008 campaign, Obama's digital operations revolutionized the ways candidates could reach voters and gather personal information about them through social media and other platforms. Clinton has also hired several veterans of the Obama campaigns, including Teddy Goff, digital director for the president's 2012 re-election campaign.

Also, an update on fundraising through first four days says $3 million from 75,000 voters, so average donation still running under $50--but lots of 'em.

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More from the Los Angeles Times: Bernie Sanders' 'socialism' may have mainstream appeal, including an itemized list of some of Bernie's "wild ideas" (that aren't really wild at all).

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Matt Taibbi in Rolling Stone: Give 'Em Hell, Bernie.

Kira Lerner for ThinkProgress: 6 Ways Bernie Sanders Will Challenge Hillary Clinton.

Mike Knapp's picture

Bernie discussing the budget 5/11/15 video link

Jacob Cannon via Vimeo presents
Discussion on the Budget with Sen. Bernie Sanders

The Discussion on the Budget with Sen. Bernie Sanders took place at Trinity Episcopal Church in Charlottesville, VA on Monday May 11, 2015. Hundreds were in attendance and many hundreds more wanted to attend. Sen. Sanders spoke candidly about the inequities facing the most of the America people by outlining the recently passed US budget.

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The Senate Votes That Divided Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders

Derek Willis in the NYT 5/27/15
The Senate Votes That Divided Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders

In many of the cases in which she differed with Mr. Sanders, who represents Vermont and is also running for the Democratic presidential nomination, Mrs. Clinton went with the crowd. She voted with an overwhelming majority of her colleagues, including Republicans. Her positions on the votes that differed from Mr. Sanders represented policy differences but also political calculations by Mrs. Clinton, who was preparing for a presidential run in 2008.

The 31 times that Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Sanders disagreed happened to be on some the biggest issues of the day, including measures on continuing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, an immigration reform bill and bank bailouts during the depths of the Great Recession. Mr. Sanders, who formally kicked off his campaign Tuesday evening in Burlington, Vt., was opposed to all these actions.

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