From a CNN Guest Post: The Great Depression, as I remember

I was in the sixth grade in 1929. I got a job at our grocery store, stocking shelves for 25 or 50 cents a day, plus a bag of penny candy.
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My last two years in high school, I got two part time jobs — ushering at the State Theater, for 25 cents an hour, and delivering special-delivery letters and small packages on my bike for the Altoona Post Office. I was paid a percentage of the postage, and sometimes I made $4 on a weekend!
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I’m 91 years old, and I sure don’t want to see another Great Depression. But I wouldn’t part with the experience I had 80 years ago. I learned that we could do without things that we thought we had to have. I learned how to “stretch” a dollar.

I think about this a lot when I shop, especially grocery shopping. What can I do to get more for less? Should I contribute weekly to the local food pantry? Did you know Kroger has a senior citizen discount program (10% off for ages 60 and older on the first Wednesday of the month) in Tennessee and Kentucky? Some local Krogers (e.g. Maryville and Alcoa) do this every Wednesday. Check it out sometime. It's always a pleasure to be among this Great Generation.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

We're hopeless shmucks

The "Greatest Generation" survived the Depression. Could we?

I've wondered about this in recent months, too, bizgrrl. I don't think this generation could/can survive.

We're reputed to have saved less and borrowed more than any generation preceding us. And in regard to that borrowing, we've borrowed with scant understanding of the potential perils of credit (especially true in TN).

Neither do we live in the agrarian society in which our parents/grandparents lived. Plant a vegetable garden? Slaughter a hog? I haven't the foggiest notion!

Then there are these murkier changes in our culture of recent decades. The terms "yuppie" and "me-generation" have been introduced into our vocabularies and have become too representative of our flagging interest in the welfare of others. Or maybe that relatively-new descriptor "instant gratification" is more telling still of who and where we are, as it connotes our greater focus on the destination, and our lesser interest in the journey!

These thoughts are centered just on changes in our culture, particularly our consumer culture. Other bad omens can be found in that shift from an economy that produces goods to a more volatile economy that increasingly produces services instead, and in our public (and corporate) policies that have widened the rift between rich and poor.

There are lots of factors conspiring to suggest that this generation couldn't or wouldn't band together to plant victory gardens and to take care of one another, if worse comes to worse. Some of these factors don't seem to me to even be reversible any longer, should we collectively wish to change ourselves.

tennesseevaluesauthority's picture

Victory Gardens Are Returning

Neither do we live in the agrarian society in which our parents/grandparents lived. Plant a vegetable garden? Slaughter a hog? I haven't the foggiest notion!

There are a surprising number of people from all walks of life who are actively re-learning these things. A photo of our front yard vegetable garden was featured in an issue of Yes! Magazine this year accompanying a story about how vegetable seeds and garden supply sales were increasing dramatically this year.

It's not like these are entirely foreign concepts that are too difficult to learn. Sure, it takes some work, but the learning curve is rewarding-- and sometimes you can still eat your mistakes.

This year my wife and I ventured on an experiment dedicated to exploring the concept of eating more locally produced food (not excluding non-local food, but making a conscious effort to seek out local opportunities). At the time we were mostly interested in doing this for the environmental benefits. As the summer wore on and gas and food prices shot up, we learned that there were obvious economic benefits to it as well.

First, we concentrated the majority of shopping with vendors who provided locally-grown/produced food. This isn't as difficult as it sounds. During the main growing season, there were five market days a week for farmers' market shopping in Knox County alone (Tuesdays and Fridays at Laurel Church of Christ on Kingston Pike, Wednesdays and Saturdays on Market Square, Thursdays at New Harvest Park, Saturdays at the Renaissance Center in Farragut). In addition, we found sources such as the Three Rivers Market and even Food City has sections in the produce area set aside for locally-grown produce. Plus there are farm stands, direct sales opportunities with local farmers, and a variety of other resources.

This step alone simply requires a re-learning of the growing seasons. We didn't expect to buy peaches in March or strawberries in November. We bought what was available.

Second, we joined a community-supported agriculture farm. This is a great way to support our local farmers and receive a weekly share of the farm's bounty. For a $400 purchase of a 1/2 share, we received 25 weekly deliveries of fresh-grown and non-chemically treated food ranging from greens, melons, pumpkins, squash, tomatoes, beans, peppers, and more.

Third, we converted part of our front yard into a vegetable garden. The grass is a nice decoration, but pretty useless when you are trying to stretch your food dollar. We built six raised beds of 48 square feet each (12'x4'). We dedicated our work here to learning how to garden organically. We grew melons, tomatoes, cucumbers, squash, beans, peppers, carrots, onions, cabbage, eggplants, radishes, basil, mint, cilantro, parsley, and some small berry bushes. With only a small patch of land to work with, we grew more than 350 pounds of produce this year. (Two of our pumpkins will become pies tomorrow for Thanksgiving dessert.) Not an earth-shattering total, but enough to keep us pretty well-stocked this winter with relish, pickles, tomato sauce, crushed tomatoes, beans, and more.

With a little experience behind us now and a better understanding of crop maturation periods and harvest times, we can better plan and rotate our crops for next season with a hope of increased productivity. We may even add two more beds to the garden extending our total usage to a mere 384 square feet of land.

With better planning in our crop plantings and in selecting varieties of plants, we've figured that we can extend our garden next year well into the winter months next year. This year's winter garden is a paltry thing because we did not have enough available space for planting late season vegetables during the main part of our late summer harvest.

We've added a composter to our back yard decor for turning kitchen scraps, yard clippings, and garden debris into soil for next year's garden. I even pick up organic vegetable waste from a local restaurant twice a week to include in my compost pile.

Our meat primarily has come from Dave Waters (selling during the market season on Market Square, but also available from him directly), from Laurel Creek Farm in Blount County (great source for lamb and goat meat), and from West Wind Farm in Morgan County.

We learned to can again (having once participated in the activity in our grandparents' kitchens) and also learned to dry food. Our pantry includes jars of apple butter, peach butter, apple sauce, preserves, dried apples, dried tomatoes, pepper jelly, and other useful items.

We also invested in some books and used free library loans to learn how to make our own yogurt and cheese (using local milk from Cruze Farm Dairy). We now bake our own bread and I'm learning to homebrew beer.

We'll never be entirely self-sufficient, nor do we expect to be. But, we are trying our best to learn how to become more self-sustaining through beneficial interdependence with our own community.

We learned through books, conversations with others involved in similar projects, old-timers, and attending a variety of special events. Our Victory Garden has been a source of conversation in the neighborhood, allowing us to meet and talk with "old timers" and other curious passers-by.

There is some expense on the front end, but it quickly recoups itself. We're learning how to save seeds of the heirloom plants we planted, so next year's investment in seeds is dramatically reduced, for instance.

We're enjoying the learning process.

R. Neal's picture

Excellent report. You should

Excellent report. You should make this a front page post.

As you mentioned, buying locally can have a big positive impact on the environment by simply reducing the amount of transportation needed to ship produce thousands of miles around the country (or from around the world for out of season produce.)

tennesseevaluesauthority's picture

Excellent report. You should

Excellent report. You should make this a front page post.

Thanks. I've been meaning to blog more about our summer of local food. I think I will be doing more blogging about it this winter.

As you mentioned, buying locally can have a big positive impact on the environment by simply reducing the amount of transportation needed to ship produce thousands of miles around the country (or from around the world for out of season produce.)

One of the passages that leaped out at me while reading Animal, Vegetable, Miracle by Barbara Kingsolver and her husband Steven Hopp, was this one:

We're consuming about 400 gallons of oil per year per citizen-- about 17% of our nation's energy use- for agriculture...a close second to our vehicular use.

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But getting the crop from seed to harvest takes only 1/5 the total oil used for our food. The lion's share is consumed during the trip from the farm to your plate. Each food item in a typical U.S. meal has traveled an average of 1,500 miles. ...fuel-thirsty steps include processing...packaging, warehousing, and refrigeration.

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If every US citizen ate just one meal a week (any meal) composed of locally and organically raised meats and produce, we would reduce our country's oil consumption by over 1.1 million barrels of oil every week.

Rachel's picture

I read that book (I read

I read that book (I read everything Barbara Kingsolver publishes). It left me feeling horribly depressed about my life style.

But I draw the line at raising turkeys (although the chapter on turkeys in that book is one of the funniest things I have ever read).

KC's picture

After listening to HHH ask

After listening to HHH ask listeners to call in and tell stories about how their parents or grandparents "survived" the Great Depression, one would be left with the impression that there were no TVAs, CCAs, or any other New Deal programs in East Tennessee.

All the callers talked about was how their families saved, worked hard, etc, etc, etc. No mention of TVA or any other New Deal program.

It's either due to a poor education in regional history or mass denial, or both.

Whether people in this area want to admit it or not, what pulled this area out of the ravages of the Depression was federal government intervention in the form of TVA, New Deal work programs, and the domestic federal spending spree that supplied the Allied power during World WarII.

I guess a lot of individuals from that time don't want to admit that they were helped because it makes them look dependent and hardly self-sufficient. You know, kind of un-American.

tennesseevaluesauthority's picture

That's true. The New Deal

That's true. The New Deal gets little respect for what it has done. My grandfather (born 1909), a lifelong Democrat, used to tell me with glee about his Republican neighbors and their reaction to the New Deal.

My favorite was the neighbor who refused to allow TVA access to string wire across his farm land and to his house. When asked why he didn't want electricity, his reply was, "I've got nothing against electricity. I just don't want any of THAT Democrats electricity."

Pappaw and I used to discuss how much positive impact the New Deal had on this area. Without it, I don't like to think about what would have happened here in the 1930s.

Brian A.'s picture

"I've got nothing against

"I've got nothing against electricity. I just don't want any of THAT Democrats electricity."

That sounds totally ridiculous . . . and believable at the same time.

Brian A.
I'd rather be cycling.

Joe328's picture

TVA was created on May 18, 1933

TVA was created on May 18, 1933 that's over three and half years after the Great Depression began.

Russ's picture

My favorite Depression quote

When I was a kid, I asked my grandfather, "What was it like growing up during the Depression?"

He said, "We didn't really notice; we just lived the same way our families had since they moved here in the 1700's. Hell, son, your ancestors moved into Appalachia as a step *up* the economic ladder."

~Russ

redmondkr's picture

My dad grew up on a Morgan

My dad grew up on a Morgan County farm during the depression. He told me once that 'The Waltons' were filthy rich compared to his family.

In later years he always gardened. My house stands today where he used to raise strawberries, corn, beans, turnips, radishes, potatoes, lettuce, cabbage (there is nothing like home made sauerkraut), watermelons, cantaloupe, and even peanuts one year.


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edens's picture

Before planting your "Victory Garden..."

...please check your HOA covenants.

tennesseevaluesauthority's picture

Covenants? Ha. I don't need

Covenants? Ha. I don't need no stinkin' covenants.

Nobody's picture

getting by in hard times

Sorry Edens, those of us who don't live in the inner city are fine as far as planting a garden and general survival sort of things.

I think, though, that victory gardens are fine even in the downtown areas.

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There are worse things...

The "Greatest Generation" survived the Depression. Could we?

The better question is could we survive this:

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Andy Axel's picture

Most earthquakes last under

Most earthquakes last under a minute. This Bushist bomb hitting the financial markets is going to have reverberations for over a decade.

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tennesseevaluesauthority's picture

TVA was created on May 18,

TVA was created on May 18, 1933 that's over three and half years after the Great Depression began.

And your point would be? "Began" is the keyword there. The Great Depression's effects were still in play in 1933 (and later).

Joe328's picture

Sorry, I should have

Sorry, I should have explained my opinion.

Survival forced people to adjusted before TVA came to this area. TVA is the one greatest program this area has ever had but the people had to eat for over three years before TVA. They adjusted and I believe we should consider planning for hard times.

The information you provided on victory gardens and local farms was great. I retired five years ago and started a gardening, canning, and buy from the farmers market. I've learned that some of the health problems I had were no doubt caused by eating industrial processed foods.

The UT extension agent in Blount County doubled the canning classes in 2008 and filled every seat. The Co-Op in Sevierville sold out of many of the vegetables plants this year. Several neighbors started a gardens this year and for next year a few are joining together to have one large garden. A friend added goats and pigs to his 3 acres this year. The goats provides milk and he is curing his own meat for the first time. He plans to make his own cheese in the near future.

I see plenty of people adjusting their lives for hard times. I grew up when most families had their meals at home. In our family eating out in the early 60s happened about three times a month if that often.

I plan to can my own beer and wine in the near future.

KC's picture

TVA was created on May 18,

TVA was created on May 18, 1933 that's over three and half years after the Great Depression began.

What's your point? Everyone knows around here, or should know, TVA was developed under Roosevelt to bring electricity and economic prosperity to the Appalachians and in parts of the South.

You know when TVA was created, but when did you start studying history?

I'm guessing never.

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