Sun
Nov 23 2008
04:07 pm

To our esteemed leader- the new layout is pretty but it has triggered a vascular migraine. Will a braille or perhaps audio version of the website be able to those of us who are now visually disabled?

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Justin's picture

I like the new layout.

I like the new layout.

onetahiti's picture

Old eyes

The new layout is a little difficult for these old eyes. Too many extra lines or bars or something. RoaneViews and BlountViews are easier.

Layout aside, KnoxViews is excellent!

Rachel's picture

I like the new layout

I like the new layout better.

redmondkr's picture

I vote for the new layout as

I vote for the new layout as well.


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Bill Lyons's picture

New layout is fine by me.

The new layout is fine by me.

WhitesCreek's picture

I vote for Change!

I vote for Change!

I like the new layout. But then, I like anything that is not like the old thing. Did I mention that I voted for change?

CathyMcCaughan's picture

I like it. Am I the only

I like it. Am I the only person who imagines holes on the sides of that green and white striped column while hearing a very specific printer noise?

I still want an "all read" option for when I fall behind on my reading and need to start over.

R. Neal's picture

Am I the only person who

Am I the only person who imagines holes on the sides of that green and white striped column while hearing a very specific printer noise?

Cool. Someone picked up on my green bar shout out to mainframe programmers!

(Are there any of those still around?)

SteveMule's picture

Randy, You did that on

Randy,
You did that on purpose? Well, yeah, it is kind'a cool. I'll get used to it. I vote change! Change is good. But then it wasn't like the old was bad; like it was I voted 11-4-08 down at the court house.

Take Care, Be Good and don't play in the street!

SteveMule

MDB's picture

Flashbacks

oh, geez, green bar line printer paper. Brings me back to the computer labs at UT circa 19-something-something. I can practically hear the nose from them now.

Are there mainframe programmers left? Well, they were in real demand about a decade ago, to fix the Y2K bug in legacy systems. I'm sure there's some demand for them left, but its a fading art.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party. I'm a Democrat." -- Will Rogers

Mello's picture

three part green bar paper with carbon....

Now I understand why I had flashback nightmares last night. All those years of running thousands of pages of reports through the carbon paper separator from hell.

mjw's picture

Greenbar yes, Bluebar no

I like the greenbar look of the lists of multi-line entries. I'm not as fond of the bluebar titles in the blog section. It seems a little busy when you add in all the font size shifts.

(Fortunately, I didn't have to do much more than learn COBOL. I was a PL/I programmer. Vastly superior, IMO.)

R. Neal's picture

Steve, yeah, I did that on

Steve, yeah, I did that on purpose. I was mainly wanting to not have so many bulleted lists for other headlines and such. I made them alternating backgrounds, originally the same gray used for blockquotes. I decided there should be visual color cues for different types of content, then I joked to the Mrs. they should be green bar, tried it, and kinda liked it. Made blog post titles a lighter shade of the "site" blue to provide a different visual clue. I thought about using a different color for stuff in the sidebar that is on this site v. on other sites, but decided it would be too psychedelic to have that many background colors. Things you do when you're bored.

MDB: I still had a COBOL manual, a 370 instruction set manual, and a full series of system programming and IBM Green Books for consultants around the last time we cleaned out the garage. They finally went to the dump. Should have given them to a museum, I guess.

I worked on a large-scale banking system starting in 1983. We had lots of standards. One of them was that dates were all stored in Julian and included the full century, in anticipation of Y2K, seventeen years early. We were pretty forward thinking, except we didn't anticipate that accounts in Turkish Lira could be in the trillions.

MDB's picture

COBOL?

You actually had to write COBOL code? My very deepest sympathies.

I never did write COBOL, but I did try to learn it once, to support a system that allowed you to enhance it in COBOL. It was painful to even look at.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party. I'm a Democrat." -- Will Rogers

bizgrrl's picture

In the financial industry

In the financial industry there is still quite a bit of COBOL used in development.

Russ's picture

.NET

Hell, there are even COBOL compilers for the .NET framework.

That makes me cry.

~Russ

MDB's picture

Tears

.NET is a Micro$quish initiative. It makes me want to cry by default. :-)

(I am not a Microsoft fan. I have been know to curse Bill Gates, the day he was born, the day his parents met, and, on really bad days, the day his grandparents met. I have also been known to say Microsoft with intonations usually appropriate for a swear word.)

"I'm not a member of any organized political party. I'm a Democrat." -- Will Rogers

MDB's picture

Yeah, but its all on legacy

Yeah, but its all on legacy systems, right? No program manager at, say, Bank of America, sits down, phones Dell, orders a a few dozen servers, and then tells the sales-critter "oh, make sure they all have COBOL compilers on them", right?

I thought I saw somewhere that Perl was big in the financial sector, but that was probably in Larry Wall's Programming Perl, so the source is a smidgen biased. (Not only did Larry write the book, he wrote the language, so asking him about the language is a bit like asking a grandmother how about her grandchildren.)

"I'm not a member of any organized political party. I'm a Democrat." -- Will Rogers

R. Neal's picture

Yeah, on the blue bars after

Yeah, on the blue bars after looking at them for a day or so I'm starting to think they may be distracting.

I have written at least a little production code in COBOL (actually a LOT of COBOL in many flavors), 370 Assembler (plus a couple of other obscure assemblers), RPG, PL/I, FORTRAN, many flavors of BASIC, C, Javascript, and PHP that I can remember.

(The addition of pointers and DO WHILE/UNTIL in COBOL II were a blessing!)

mjw's picture

Wow, that was fast

...and, snap!, they went away. Looks better. Thanks.

My mainframe production work was mostly in PL/I with some Fortran and 370 Assembler. I date myself horribly by mentioning that in school I also worked in DEC Basic, SNOBOL (loved SNOBOL), LISP (hated LISP), Simula, and eventually C. Nowadays, I mostly script: perl, PHP, sh, bash, awk, etc.

Rachel's picture

My computer programming days

My computer programming days are long over, but I started as a Fortran programmer who also used SAS a lot (I supported research economists). SAS was PL/1 based, IIRC.

I took a COBOL class at UT, and was always deeply grateful I never had to use it in the real world. Much, much, much too "wordy."

I left programming in the mid 80s when I moved to TVA's IT policy and standards group. After that I did database design (for awhile I was TVA's relational database guru) and then quite foolishly let myself be seduced into management.

R. Neal's picture

I have probably asked you

I have probably asked you this before, but did we work there at the same time? I worked there briefly in late 1982 early 1983 before moving to Florida. I was the mainframe system programmer for the finance division, which had it's own separate little IT department.

Factchecker's picture

Now I like it. Didn't like

Now I like it. Didn't like the colors in the posts (mjw speaks for me), but they look snazzy and help with sorting over in the "discussions" area. I didn't realize it, but I think the green did have the subliminal effect of the old printer paper. I never could do code, but I took the required Fortran, BASIC, etc. for engineering. Not fond memories.

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