I guess it's not news that some of the religious whack jobs are not Protestant. I don't know whether it's good or bad news, though.

No matter how much some people wish for the End Times, the prophecy is not coming true this time any more than the last few hundred times ardent and misguided believers have yearned for it. It's myth and transparently ridiculous.

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the Church, but whose very mentality about those issues places him at enmity with the Church herself.

As a Protestant Christian, I guess I am at "enmity with the church herself."

What ought to "trouble" the bishops is how not to drive away any more of the Church's members who have not already left due to the bishops' failure to stop those 5,000 or so priests from molesting those 12,000 or more children.

If 56% of Catholics voted for Sen. Obama, does the church really want to drive them away as well? If it does, it might want to think about asking the government for a bailout, or get ready to close some more churches.

Which of these is the bigger evil:

1. The election of Barack Obama
2. The fact that, 160 years ago, my ancestors could have owned Obama's ancestors

Apparently, the blogger quoted picks "A". Wowzers.

If that.... individual.... wants to disagree with Obama, fine, more power to him. But great googledy moogledy, he needs to turn down the hyperbole a notch or twenty.

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This is nonsense. Catholic social teaching also warns against Capital Punishment; however, you never heard this kind of rhetoric in 2001 when President Bush took office -- how many executions did Governor Bush preside over in Texas?

No political party fully represents Catholic teachings on social issues. This kind of overheated rhetoric doesn't represent my Catholic faith. It's disappointing.

I never want to hear anyone mention Bush Derangement Syndrome again.

I do enjoy seeing the hatred for religion and the inherent bias and bigotry come out on a liberal website. Denouncing the Catholic Church, referring to Christians who are Protestant as "whack jobs," and of course mocking their religious texts and what is in them versus just saying that it is not applicable to a particular scenario is all out in the open now. So refreshing after watching the hypocrisy of this election and how liberals somehow were religious too.

I would not call Obama's election "evil." I would also choose a better method of addressing those who say such things instead of the stereotyping done here but please, do continue so that the whole world can continue to see the real colors underneath the liberal mask of alleged religious tolerance. It must be a liberating experience for liberals to know that they do not have to hide their raw hatred for those of a religious nature anymore now that your own Messiah has been delivered to the Office of the President.

U.S. Rep. Paul Broun, R-Crazy | Jay Bookman

"It may sound a bit crazy and off base, but the thing is, he’s the one who proposed this national security force. I’m just trying to bring attention to the fact that we may — may not, I hope not — but we may have a problem with that type of philosophy of radical socialism or Marxism. That’s exactly what Hitler did in Nazi Germany and it’s exactly what the Soviet Union did. When he’s proposing to have a national security force that’s answering to him, that is as strong as the U.S. military, he’s showing me signs of being Marxist.”

SC priest: No communion for Obama supporters - Yahoo! News

COLUMBIA, S.C. – A South Carolina Roman Catholic priest has told his parishioners that they should refrain from receiving Holy Communion if they voted for Barack Obama because the Democratic president-elect supports abortion, and supporting him "constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil."

There is a lot of overheated talk on both sides. What this is really all about is the threat a college football playoff poses to Notre Dame's chances of ever again being National Champion.

I was educated for 12 years at an all girl's school by nuns who seemed only to care about our virginity and ending abortion. Seems like every religion has it's proportion of rigid, narrow nutjobs and the pre-vatican II catholics, exemplified by Oatney, are no exception. The nonsense about priests telling us to vote only for anti-choice candidates is an example of the Church's medieval expectations of blind obedience from the flock.

I am continuously confused how they reconcile their pro-life position with the Bush doctrine of preemptive war, the destruction of millions of innocent civilians in Iraq and Afganistan, torture, disdain for the powerless and poor, especially in New Orleans after Katrina- all policies supported by republicans. Never did I hear of a bishop or priest say that a vote for a republican who supports these issues constituted a vote for evil.

Very disappointing. It's no wonder the Church is loosing thoughtful, caring Catholics.

I have talked (via email) with David Oatney privately several times. First, he is a very, very devot traditional Roman Catholic. To the point that church teaching, dogma, tradition and, yes, authority, are the end and end all of religous discussion and debate. Like it or not, that's just who/what he is. Secondly, he is also a very staunch traditional conservative. And again, like it or not, that's just who/what he is. Everything he does, says and probably thinks, is done, said and probably thought thru those lenes.
Therefore, Catholic and conservative inconsistancies and failures simply either don't exist or are minor, temporary glitches. He is, I am afraid, very typical of all too many religous (Catholic and non-Catholic)conservatives.
Out here in the land where the deer and the antolope play I hear a lot of the same things that Oatney has said. They don't realize that pre-election rhetoric is just pre-elelction hot air. They really belive it is the gospel truth. The fact that %56 percent of American Catholics voted for Obama does not mean that he is wrong. No, he beleives what the church believes (at least he belives he does), so if he's wrong then the church is wrong and the church cannot be wrong so he's not wrong. Consequently, the fact that %56 of American Catholics voted for Obama means that %56 of American Catholics are in immeadiate danger of going to Hell. It's easier for him to believe that then it is that he just might be wrong. That's another inconsistancy you will never be able to get him to admit.
So, cut him some slack and God bless him, just let him say whatever the hell he wants, because he'll say it anyway.

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Seems like every religion has it's proportion of rigid, narrow nutjobs and the pre-vatican II catholics, exemplified by Oatney, are no exception. The nonsense about priests telling us to vote only for anti-choice candidates is an example of the Church's medieval expectations of blind obedience from the flock.

I don't really mind the fire and brimstone preachers who preach against individual sin and humbling yourself before God.

What I've found troubling over the last decade is the constant mixing of politics and faith, and what appears to be a doctrine that puts what goes on in the voting booth above what takes place in a person's home, and, indeed, his or her heart.

Living a Christ-like life is being seemingly substituted by voting for the "chosen" candidate and political activism.

As I said on another thread, Christ was crucified because he wouldn't get involved in politics or governing; at all.

He wanted power over a person's soul, not power over a person's government.

The thing that puzzles me about the current turn of events is how so many republicans want to associate their party with Christianity while at the same time being pro capitalism and rabidly anti-socialist.

But according to Jesus' teachings: pooling of community resources, care for the poor, etc. are the way to live a godly life. Sounds like socialism if not communism to me.

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Is "nobody" talking to me? Because I'm a pretty solid churchgoing Christian. Why would you think I hate myself and the people I worship with?

I think some people just enjoy feeling persecuted.

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After my recent event I have instigated of a policy of completely ignoring the posts of the nobodies whose only purpose in life seems to be raising the blood pressure of descent people who care about their friends, neighborhoods, and country.

In the past I have made an attempt to use logic (and God knows how many times I have cast this link before the homophobic swine) but these people don't give a damn. Their minds are made up so don't try to confuse them with facts.

There is a fundamental problem at KnoxViews and I don't see a ready solution. Site rules are worthless if miscreants are allowed to merely return under a cloak of secrecy after being banned for their hateful posts. Yet we get many many thoughtful anonymous postings that are helpful and not allowing them would be a detriment to the community. Do we need another Come to Jesus Meeting?

I know it's awfully unladylike but I'm always tempted to just respond to Nobody with a polite:

Shove it, buggerer.

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