Submitted by StaceyDiamond on Thu, 2008/11/06 - 6:10pm.
I've heard amazing gracious comments about Obama from W., McCain, Condi, Peggy Noonan etc. but all Duncan and Alexander are running around talking about is we "can't afford what he's promised" or we'll work with him if he doesn't "go down that left lane." We are talking about a guy big capitalist Warren Buffett has endorsed. Getting us out of a war sure would save money, that Duncan likes to promote when he wants to be mavericky.
I don't know what it is with Tn., we have more progressive pockets than some Southern states, we elected Clinton and Bredesen twice and almost Harold Ford Jr. but Kerry and Obama scored about the same here. I think maybe some of it is racial, but I think more of it might be a crazed fear of taxes, ie the tax revolt of 2002. And then there are the churches, WATE found some redneck-talking women in nursing scrubs having lunch yesterday and asked what they thought of the election, one articulate one said "we are church goers from the Bible Belt and we just don't believe anything he (Obama) says. "
Some of it's racial? When you go into the surrounding counties, Union, Jefferson, Hamblen, you will find not only populations that don't have ANY racial diversity, you will find populations that DON'T WANT to have any racial diversity. In anything that affects them.
Submitted by Nobody (not verified) on Mon, 2008/11/10 - 11:33pm.
...in the last few decades?! I grew up there and it's not lacking in racial diversity. Union does lack diversity - mainly because it's an old mtn. co with lots of poverty and zero jobs. IOW, who that doesn't already have ties there is going to move there?
Submitted by Nobody (not verified) on Thu, 2008/11/06 - 10:00pm.
I always enjoy reading a liberal rant about religious bigotry, since liberals practice it so well. Blame it on churches is so right from the liberal HORDE manual of attacking religion. What I want to know is how do you explain the gay marriage ban in California, what with the results showing that it was due to blacks coming out and voting for Obama that sent Proposition 8 to victory? I guess it was all of those "church-going blacks" to blame huh?
As a Christian and a Southern Baptist, I hope that what other Christians learn from this is that rather than putting their faith in a party or in politicians from that party, they need to refocus their attention on doing God's will in their daily lives, everyday and not just on
Nov. 4.
Both politicians and religious leaders have benefitted from this alliance, but I found it troubling from the beginning. I believe that Jesus was crucified because he refused to get involved in politics at all. He was busy with more important things.
I think too many Christians have been substituting political activism for personal witnessing, and I think that has led to a devaluation of the faith and an over emphasis on the importance of politics and governing in the daily lives of Christians.
You know, that's a great distinction: Personal Witnessing (living a Christian life in such a way that others know that you are) viz Religious Political Activism (blending religion and politics in a way that is difficult to characterize as Christian). That's grist for the mill.
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
Submitted by StaceyDiamond on Mon, 2008/11/10 - 7:23pm.
Churches scare people about abortion and get them to vote against their best interest on practically everything else. I know about it because I come from one. I do regret that an Obama vol told me that true Christians would support Obama. I don't like rhetoric like that. There were other reasons than abortion and racism that folks might have liked McCain. But I know people living in poverty that would stand to gain nothing from the GOP but vote out of fear about abortion and in Tn. also fear of taxes.
As far as race in East Tn., in the biggest mega-church in Halls there are a few inter-racial couples. A football star from Halls from a few years back is married to a black woman and runs an urban ministry. I grew up there and know its huge.
Submitted by sugarfatpie on Mon, 2008/11/10 - 10:26pm.
When I used to take my (at the time 7 year old) black neice out to run errands, we would hold hands and people would STARE! And not that nice kind of "I have a dream" inspired stare. More like the "mongrel races" stare.
Ea TN has a loooooong way to go.
But I don't let it get me down. Who wants to live around a bunch of people who think exactly like you anyways. And we do have some great progressive tradition.
You know that song, "We shall overcome"? Written at the Highlander Center over in Newmarket. Link...
Submitted by StaceyDiamond on Wed, 2008/11/12 - 7:20pm.
Union County is home to several up and coming gated communities, but that's seperate than the rest of it. If I was going to move somewhere and I was concerned about diversity and politics I might read their local paper or how they vote or something. What gets me is folks move down to Halls to Maryville or wherever to retire to the lake and are shocked to find out what a red state we are. It wouldn't take much reading to know that beforehand.
I really hate to encourage the cesspool that the KNS comment community has become, but this is pretty funny:
Maybe since the whole "governing from the pulpit" thing isn't working out, evangelicals should try fighting abortion by doing something new. Maybe support sex education, make birth control more easily available and do what you can to stop unwanted pregnancies before they happen. But wait, that could make them Democrats and that could lead to dancing.
Some of it's racial? When you go into the surrounding counties, Union, Jefferson, Hamblen, you will find not only populations that don't have ANY racial diversity, you will find populations that DON'T WANT to have any racial diversity. In anything that affects them.
...in the last few decades?! I grew up there and it's not lacking in racial diversity. Union does lack diversity - mainly because it's an old mtn. co with lots of poverty and zero jobs. IOW, who that doesn't already have ties there is going to move there?
Link...
-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)
"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin
...that video is awesome but I'm not sure what it has to do with my comment.
I always enjoy reading a liberal rant about religious bigotry, since liberals practice it so well. Blame it on churches is so right from the liberal HORDE manual of attacking religion. What I want to know is how do you explain the gay marriage ban in California, what with the results showing that it was due to blacks coming out and voting for Obama that sent Proposition 8 to victory? I guess it was all of those "church-going blacks" to blame huh?
Link...
Read it and weep you ignorant wack-job.
-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)
"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin
As a Christian and a Southern Baptist, I hope that what other Christians learn from this is that rather than putting their faith in a party or in politicians from that party, they need to refocus their attention on doing God's will in their daily lives, everyday and not just on
Nov. 4.
Both politicians and religious leaders have benefitted from this alliance, but I found it troubling from the beginning. I believe that Jesus was crucified because he refused to get involved in politics at all. He was busy with more important things.
I think too many Christians have been substituting political activism for personal witnessing, and I think that has led to a devaluation of the faith and an over emphasis on the importance of politics and governing in the daily lives of Christians.
You know, that's a great distinction: Personal Witnessing (living a Christian life in such a way that others know that you are) viz Religious Political Activism (blending religion and politics in a way that is difficult to characterize as Christian). That's grist for the mill.
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
Churches scare people about abortion and get them to vote against their best interest on practically everything else. I know about it because I come from one. I do regret that an Obama vol told me that true Christians would support Obama. I don't like rhetoric like that. There were other reasons than abortion and racism that folks might have liked McCain. But I know people living in poverty that would stand to gain nothing from the GOP but vote out of fear about abortion and in Tn. also fear of taxes.
As far as race in East Tn., in the biggest mega-church in Halls there are a few inter-racial couples. A football star from Halls from a few years back is married to a black woman and runs an urban ministry. I grew up there and know its huge.
When I used to take my (at the time 7 year old) black neice out to run errands, we would hold hands and people would STARE! And not that nice kind of "I have a dream" inspired stare. More like the "mongrel races" stare.
Ea TN has a loooooong way to go.
But I don't let it get me down. Who wants to live around a bunch of people who think exactly like you anyways. And we do have some great progressive tradition.
You know that song, "We shall overcome"? Written at the Highlander Center over in Newmarket.
Link...
-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)
"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin
Union County is home to several up and coming gated communities, but that's seperate than the rest of it. If I was going to move somewhere and I was concerned about diversity and politics I might read their local paper or how they vote or something. What gets me is folks move down to Halls to Maryville or wherever to retire to the lake and are shocked to find out what a red state we are. It wouldn't take much reading to know that beforehand.
Guess you caught this, over at the KNS site this morn ("Exit polls: 2 of 3 TN voters evangelicals"): Link...
(Quite a brawl in the comment thread...)
I really hate to encourage the cesspool that the KNS comment community has become, but this is pretty funny:
~Russ
Regular School of Athens there. Yoiks.
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
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