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I just want to know where people get the idea the Electoral College has investigative powers.
I wasn't sure of that one either.
I was out early this morning and I was listening to ManCow this morning.
He said the stock market crashing was Obama's fault.
He is not even in office yet......
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I'll try to talk you down.
Folks aren't interested in "healing" anymore. Somewhere over the course of my adulthood ideological affiliations stopped being differences of opinions and values among people who shared a common love of America and became a bitter war to the metaphorical death against "evil forces" out to destroy the country. I don't think anyone has clean hands in that.
The Democratic hissy fits in 2000 and 2004 were at least as bad as anything you're going to be hearing about Obama from the GOP. That old cartoon map showing the USA divided up into "Canada" and "Jesusland" still sticks in my craw. There's not much of anyone on either side really interested in "healing" unless "healing" can be interpreted as unconditionally surrendering to the other side's point of view.
But "fearing for his safety" is a bit melodramatic even in these times. There's no more reason for Dem's to be worried about Obama's safety than there was for the GOP to be worried about GWB's. Nothing has escalated. It's just the first time in 8 years the two sides have exchanged songbooks. Welcome to the majority and prepare yourself for the grousing and complaining and accusations you're about to receive from the minority. They're going to give it every bit as hard as they got it for the past 8 years, and they got it pretty damned hard.
This is just my theory, but...
It started during the fight over the Bork nomination, when the Democrats pulled out all stops to defeat Bork.
It worsened with the rise of Lee Atwater, Newt Gingrich, and Karl Rove (especially), who viewed politics as warfare with enemies to be destroyed rather then honest people with differing opinions trying to come together for the good of the country.
The popularity of talk radio didn't help, either, and, while right wing talk is certainly the strongest voice, Air America turned out to be pretty obnoxious in its own right.
Plus, the loss of the mainstream media's role as "information gatekeeper" with the rise of the internet basically allowed the circulation of utterly scurrilous information as legitimate facts. Remember the infamous "Clinton Death List"? It didn't even pass the most elementary fact checking, and no legitimate media source would have touched it. But one guy with an e-mail account could send it to two friends, and they sent it to two friends, and they sent it to two friends, and so on and so on and so on. I'm certainly not saying we were better off without the internet, but a lot of people will believe whatever they read -- witness the number of people who will absolutely insist Barack Obama is a Muslim.
It started during the fight over the Bork nomination
Bullshit. It's been around forever, but was give its current poisonous form by Nixon.
but it didn't become the national norm until much later. The Bork nomination does feel like about the right time frame. I'm a little hesitant to assign a definite chronology to it. If nothing else that invites a wonderfully unproductive game of "you started it." But things did start to take a dramatic nosedive sometime after the "we're all friends after five o'clock" days of Tip O'Neal and Ronald Reagan.
"But things did start to take a dramatic nosedive sometime after the "we're all friends after five o'clock" days of Tip O'Neal and Ronald Reagan."
Which was a hysterical line given the times that the Congress actually works throughout the day.
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I'd peg it to the time that the Army of Dicks... I mean, Dick Armey, Newt Gingrich, Bill Frist, and Tom Delay... settled into their leadership positions.
This was the Contract On America gang. The Starr inquisition, the petulant shutdown of the government, The K-Street crowd in short pants, you name it.
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The Democrats lost the House, which they pretty well considered their birthright up until that shocking election, and all the gloves came off. A huge factor in that has nothing to do with specific Republicans or Democrats, but the loss of all those Conservative Southern Democrats who had been something of a buffer/bridge between the more radical elements in the House.
Still, the process began in earnest well before then. Bill Clinton came into office surrounded by a hostility from the losing party that I don't remember sensing before or reading about happening in modern (post Civil War) times.
To MDB's point, the Democrat's touched something of a "third rail" in 1987 when they went after Bork on his ideology rather than his qualifications. But Iran-Contra broke in 1986 showing the Republican President was willing to ignore the will of the Congress and seek out a clandestine means of achieving his goals with no regard for their opinion. That he was selling arms to the same folks who had taken the hostages that started the crisis that destroyed Jimmy Carter and put him in office certainly poured a lot of salt into that wound. Either event would be a worthy starting point. And each party gets to point their fingers at the other that way.
With a health dose of no Fairness Doctrine.
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
And, as if on effin' cue...
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Read Nixonland. Seriously, it really lays out the political environment of the last half of the 20th century.
Except for the factual mistakes the author makes in describing the Billy Graham/Nixon/Neyland Stadium affair (Bill Brock was NOT from Knoxville, and East Tennessee is not the epitome of "Dixie"), I really enjoyed it.
There's no more reason for Dem's to be worried about Obama's safety than there was for the GOP to be worried about GWB's. Nothing has escalated. It's just the first time in 8 years the two sides have exchanged songbooks.
I disagree. A lot has changed. The alliance between the Republican Party and evangelical churches has driven moderates out of the party and promotes the belief among many Christians that it matters to God who runs the country.
The Democrats, relatively speaking, have not used hatred and fear like the Republicans have to attempt to increase their ranks or their listening audience. Rush's base expanded, no pun intended, when Clinton was President. Expect the same, even on the local level as media leaders will pander. It's as sure as the sun rising in the East and setting in the West.
The moderates being driven out of the GOP should scare the crap out of said party.
If that trend sticks the GOP's days as a national party are over. The US could start to look a lot more like Canada, where the Liberal party dominated politics for the entire 20th century, and is only now in the opposition (as of 2006) for the first time since 1896.
Right wing hate radio, along with the born-again-Rovian alliance may be the crucial factor that turns the GOP into a regional (southern/continental interior) party.
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Hatred of Bush. Fear that social security would be taken from seniors. Fear that we won't leave Iraq for 100 years. Give me a break. Each side of the aisle is just as dirty as the other.
Focusing on character attacks when the country is in economic crisis may just be a loosing strategy.
I was skeptical of this back in September, but I may have been wrong.
-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)
"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin
Privatization of Social Security and the resultant cut in benefits was a real issue. That goodness we didn't do it, or we'd be in a huge mess right now. Bush preparing permanent bases in Iraq is a real issue.
These are NOT comparable to calling someone a Marxist, claiming (falsely) that he is ineligible to be president (and thus undermining the office), calling him a terrorist, and shouting "kill him" at a rally.
Apples and oranges, baby.
It's funny. Frank Nicely threatening Wamp and Duncan with the state legislature redistricting them on Lloyd's show. Bill Dunn saying now's a good time to cut government spending. Nicely ranting against those public schools and colleges that teach Marxism. If the Tenn. Democrats are smart, they'll let the Republicans run.
Apparently, ignoring the fact that politics is all local, the Tenn. Republicans believe they have a statewide mandate. They're getting ready to prove the old adage the higher the monkey climbs up the tree, the better view you have of it.
They're getting ready to prove the old adage the higher the monkey climbs up the tree, the better view you have of it.
Now that's funny.
Indeed.
I would not have been so worried, but after the Church shooting, I think I have real concerns.
I hope the hard feelings will simmer down some around here in a few months. I honestly feel if that UT's Basketball season is a good one, that will help a lot.
No pressure on Pat or Bruce here....
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The day after the election I asked a nine year old friend how he was doing and he told me not so good, Obama had won.
He told me he hated the Democrats.
When I asked why he would hate me his eyes got big and he said, "You're a Democrat?"
He said some kid had brought a 'newspaper' to school and it said that McCain was a hero while Obama was in jail.
It reminded me of the 1960 election when my dad had me convinced that a Nixon loss would be the beginning of the end.
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Before Tennessee heads down a road paved with hate and hating, it needs to take a long look at what's supposed to happen in Scott Co. today.
Inevitably, that's where the road leads to.
I always find it entertaining how liberals will write and carry on about "talk radio." Who cares? If there are those who want to listen to it what is the big deal? Plus, why is it that liberals are always aware of every little word said on talk radio, Fox News, WNOX, so forth? I mean, when do you people ever have time to listen to your own junk?
What matters are the results. Obama won and will be the 44th President. Now if he does a good job he may get a second term and if not he will be one-term President, it really is that simple. Same for the upcoming 111th Congress. The 110th has been a waste and prospects for this one are no good but either they will deliver the goods or the opposition with get their act together and take over in 2010. All of this crying about after the fact with liberals ranting about what the right says is not only nonsense but laughable.
the only thing that GOP senators should be doing is filibustering every thing that comes into the senate floor until 2010 when the GOP will take back over....
Lots of luck with that one. You think the map for this year's Senate election favored Dems; the 2010 map looks even better.
Gee, it was, what, four years ago that the same people considered the filibuster a moral outrage and an assault on democracy itself?
I guess the most fundamental rule of right wing talk applies again: its only bad if Democrats do it.
But in 2006 the two parties changed songbooks. You've got to keep up. When the threat of it put HRC's healthcare reform on the road to oblivion, it was the Democrats who decried it, and they'll soon be bitching about it again. He who has the majority finds the fillibuster a terrible, democracy stopping dirty trick. He who does not have the majority considers it the last remaining defense of the American people against bad ideas.
Now THIS particular songbook has a very long pedigree... it's goes back at least to the days where we stopped requiring the fillibuster to be an actual, you know, fillibuster. The way it works now is really just a "super majority" type hurdle that the minority party can invoke at will.
I kind of like the fillibuster myself, but I think the Senate should return to more of a Mr. Deeds Goes to Washington kind of deal where it has to be an actual fillibuster. This 60 vote cloture thing takes a lot of the fun out of it.
only thing that GOP senators should be doing is filibustering every thing that comes into the senate floor until 2010
Since the state is facing a $500-600 million shortfall next year, it wouldn't be wise to sit and do nothing. Or to be seen as doing nothing. After all, most of next year we will be in a recession, possibly a really, really, bad one.
And this time, Tennessee shouldn't be expecting a lot of help from the federal government, since government is a bad thing.
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