Wed
Nov 5 2008
03:31 am
By: rikki

Congratulations to all the chumps who just solidified developer rule of Knox County by shrinking County Commission. Now we can have a token black district and maybe a token progressive district if the 2nd doesn't get redistricted into limbo with the 2010 census. The other 9 seats will be pure status quo until you can manage to undo your mistake. At least it won't take as many signatures to fix as it took to fuck up.

And it's not just Property Assessor you still get to vote for, it's all the fee offices! Enjoy the rare 7-4 loss, the occasional 8-3 drubbing and all the 9-2 votes that will define you, and choose your next Register of Deeds wisely.

Hooray! More pointless elections of offices that should be appointed and fewer chances for citizens to serve alongside bought whores! Reform, deform, what's the difference? Renew your Sentinel subscription! Operators are standing by. The 0.95% who killed the county get free Sunday delivery for six months.

bill young's picture

LATE

One bet..Sam will win the 1st district 6 year term.

Mike Cohen's picture

Knox County

Rikki... you might want to switch to decaf.

As one of the "chumps" (and I assume by chumps you mean the majority of those who voted in record numbers) I am pretty pleased that #3 passed.

And I assume when you refer to "bought whores" you mean officeholders electd by the people but who you oppose.

Thank goodness we have you to be more intelligent for us.

Personally, based on experience with other local legislative bodies in East Tennessee and elsewhere, I think having some at large members is a good idea. I think the concept of one reprsentative per district has worked pretty well in...well, virtually every other legislative body in America.

One change passed...one failed. That says a lot good about the voters.

rikki's picture

No, by "bought whores" I

No, by "bought whores" I mean people who can afford to hire PR firms to run their campaigns. You wouldn't qualify as a chump because this change suits your interests perfectly. Those who want more progressive voices on Commission or who want the interests of citizens balanced against the interests of developers just suffered a major setback, and plenty of them voted for this. They are chumps.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Please help make this plan work

"Congratulations to all the chumps who just solidified developer rule of Knox County by shrinking County Commission... I mean people who can afford to hire PR firms to run their campaigns."

I promise, Rikki, my PR firm will continue to operate for free--and I'm so hopeful that the job will become easier, with fewer candidate subjects to track.

To that end, let me be sure to share with you the vile snippets of conversation I overheard last night, while I stood at Powell High School distributing Knox Accountability leaflets adjacent to Bruce "Save Our Jobs" Williams.

Bruce, you may know, gave to "Save Our Jobs" individually and through the Powell Republican Club, where he is an active member (public record--I'll leave readers to find the link). He was also the pivotal financier and virtual manager of Lumpy Lambert's commission campaign (ditto). More recently, his and Lumpy's unwanted support effectively brought down the primary campaign of Sixth District commission candidate Matthew Jones (ditto).

Bruce is also a residential developer who has squeezed over 400 condos on 1/4 acre lots into the Powell school zone, where elementary school enrollment is once again approaching 1000 and where high school enrollment now leaves less square footage per student than at any other campus in the county. Bruce, like Lumpy, is very big on "property owner rights," as he'll tell you. Repeatedly.

Last night, I could easily overhear his stream of disinformation directed to prospective charter amendment voters. He is a man who stands a foot from one's nose and bellows loudly, spraying spittle on others' faces.

And on the subject of the presidential election, if I heard him say "n****r" one time, I heard it at least four or five times.

Bruce, you may know, is pushing to see his wife Lillian appointed to Scott Moore's vacant Seventh District commission seat (the Williams have businesses in Powell, but live in Halls). I'm pretty sure the woman is as uneducated as Bruce (I'll confirm and report), and plans to seek appointment on the basis of 1) her "business expertise" operating a hole-in-the-wall frame shop as a tax write-off, and 2) her community standing as a "nice church lady," married to Bruce? But we know who wants a louder voice on commission.

Again, all I've hoped for from Charter Amendment 3 is that we can examine these fewer commission candidates more closely--and share with voters on the front end what we learn. The likelihood that a smaller commission will lead to electing/appointing better qualified commissioners, though, will depend almost entirely on the cooperation of smart, caring people getting out the word. You’re one of those, so I sure hope you’ll join in the task.

(Gone now, to see what a Pinkerton Man costs!)

Mike Cohen's picture

Response

I assume by progressive you mean people who think like you, right?

I think you are completly wrong on this and that a smaller Commission will be good for everybody. I think having at-large will bring a new and better perspective to the debate.

And, just so you can be accurate, we don't run political campaigns for candidates and never have.

rikki's picture

I assume by progressive you

I assume by progressive you mean people who think like you, right?

I used that word because I am addressing the KnoxViews audience. The larger principle is that this change will diminish the diversity of viewpoints on Commission.

One representative per district is a fine concept and a good reason to split the county into 19 districts. There are at least 19 distinct communities within the county, and they should all have a voice on Commission. Instead, South Knoxville has to share with the Stock Creek area and the Kimberlin Heights area. Having two commissioners helped a bit, but no more.

Now we will have a middling, homogenized Commission. Candidates will need to be moderate and professional enough to appeal to donors, and I'm sure they will be well qualified to serve those donors needs. Citizens will be left further from governance in both number and opportunity. The threat to the status quo posed by term limits has been averted.

Anonymously Nine's picture

Can't stop...

I think having at-large will bring a new and better perspective to the debate.

laughing.

Yeah, right. This was a win, just not for the people.

RayCapps's picture

Not what I wanted...

I think the imposition of term limits is going to have far reaching implications on the running of county government. I think we, as a county, should have taken some time to observe those changes before we went running back to the Charter to reorganize government still more. I'm not real high on reactionary governance. Laws are best passed by cooler heads. But that's a conservative (small c) approach to governing oneself.

That said, I don't necessarily agree that this places Knox County government any more in the pockets of developers than it was before. They have fewer members to buy, but three of them are going to cost a whole lot more. Before we made these changes, developers got what developers wanted unless the affected citizens banded together and raised 10 different kinds of Hell about it. Now that these changes have passed, maybe the affected citizens have to raise 11 different kinds of Hell about it. It's pretty much status quo on the developers front. At least, that's my uninformed opinion.

I do think the at large seats hurt the rural districts, especially district 8. Serving in a legislature, unfortunately, is all about bringing home the bacon if you want to stay there. That puts the folks out in East Knox County way down on the list of people to make happy. If there's a choice between a new senior center in Farragut and a new library in Gibbs, you've probably got the two at large votes already leaning west.

bobaubin's picture

Well

Agree with you on three, it is very bad three passed. The at-large commissioners (who will end up being Republicans) is a dumb idea, and fewer progressives will be on the Commission. Four was bad as well, I'm glad that one failed.
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Anonymously Nine's picture

And now the lawyers...

The voting precinct report is not ready yet but it will probably show what happened with the wheel tax. District 5 is the likely culprit. Disengaged voters who believed what Sentinel Editor Jack McElroy spun in the daily paper. People who never call their County Commissioner and may not even know their name. People who don't understand what Commissioners really do.

This was truly amazing. Many people voted for Charter Amendment three because they wanted a nepotism policy. Did they know there already was one? So now we have two. People must really hate nepotism. Did this show an uninformed or disengaged electorate? But then again, if your only source for news is the Sentinel this is what happens. Trusting Jack McElroy has consequences.

What were people thinking when they gave away half their representation? Did they want to get rid of Lumpy Lambert? Lambert embarrassed these people. Jack McElroy whispered the word redneck and they lost their minds. Was this a redneck removal program? To some people image is everything so they wanted people like Dr. Colonel Richard Briggs. Never mind that the Dr. Colonel is the Commissioner who let Mike Ragsdale get away with his “reasonable man” escape hatch. Even Lambert was better than that. But now there will be no Jethro Bodines on County Commission. No more clown shoes in our government. Now we look like the City, the smart people.

Now County Commission either becomes a full time job or Commissioners just ignore the public and listen only to campaign donors. Which way do you think it will be?

The crushing defeat of Charter Amendment four is a preview of what will happen when the Metro Government Charter Amendment comes forward. The lesson learned is you can fool some of the people, just not all the time. And that while some people have an aversion to clown shoes and are very image conscious, when it comes to protecting their vote and their pocket book they don't listen to the Pied Piper of the News Sentinel.

Another crushing defeat for Sentinel Editor Jack McElroy was the passing of Charter Amendment two. Now the County Mayor loses some power. That is a good thing. Another defeat for the Metro crowd. No stacking of the Charter Review Committee.

The only thing left is for the inevitable lawsuits that we get to pay for. End result, we the people got most of it right. The biggest lesson is the need for another daily paper.

Rachel's picture

Disengaged voters who

Disengaged voters who believed what Sentinel Editor Jack McElroy spun in the daily paper. People who never call their County Commissioner and may not even know their name. People who don't understand what Commissioners really do.

I assure you I am a) engaged, b) know my county commissioners, and c) understand a great deal about what commission does and how it works.

Perhaps those of us who voted "yes" on 3 & 4 simply have different opinions from you. Is that remotely possible?

And Rikki, really, chill. I respect your opinion; show a little respect for mine.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

It's LAW

"Many people voted for Charter Amendment three because they wanted a nepotism policy. Did they know there already was one? So now we have two."

No, Nine.

Before we had a local policy, now we have a local LAW.

Anonymously Nine's picture

The North American Elitist calls Shoo...

No, Nine.

Before we had a local policy, now we have a local LAW.

It is an ordinance. Only you would call that "local policy". How difficult is it to get even the simplest things right?

Nice libel above, let us now how that works out.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Make my day

No libel, Nine.

Bruce's personal contributions to candidates Lambert and Jones are public record, as is his personal contribution (and the Powell Republican Club's) to "Save Our Jobs."

All records pertaining to Bruce's development are also public record.

I wouldn't mind a bit to swear under oath as to the ugly, racist comments I heard him make last night.

In fact, I'd welcome the opportunity. Make my day.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

You're confusing people again--or trying to

"It is an ordinance. Only you would call that "local policy". How difficult is it to get even the simplest things right?"

You're confusing people again--or trying to.

I referenced the existing local policy as just a policy, which it is, and I called the new ordinance "local law," which it is.

I did not call the new ordinance "local policy."

It is you having difficulty getting even the simplest things right.

Anonymously Nine's picture

Good grief...

I did not call the new ordinance "local policy."

It is a Charter Amendment. I know you think you decide what words mean, but that is not the case.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

And other by-standers

I said: "I wouldn't mind a bit to swear under oath as to the ugly, racist comments I heard him make last night."

"In fact, I'd welcome the opportunity. Make my day."

Oh...and I'll be bringing along another Knox Accountability volunteer and a volunteer for Barbara Nicodemus to testify, too.

Redfoxer's picture

"Make my day"

"In fact, I'd welcome the opportunity. Make my day."

Be careful what you wish for Tammy.

Nobody's picture

"In fact, I'd welcome the

"In fact, I'd welcome the opportunity. Make my day."

Wow. Begging for it.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Update

I will quickly share with you that as of a telephone call I received five minutes ago, I am no longer an independent contractor for the Knoxville-Knox County Focus.

This development will afford me more time to make inquiries into potential appointees in the Seventh District commission competition, as well as in future county commission races.

I intend to spend the more ample time just that way.

Anonymously Nine's picture

Got Paoned did you?

I will quickly share with you that as of a telephone call I received five minutes ago, I am no longer an independent contractor for the Knoxville-Knox County Focus.

How surprising that little fit cost you your job. Surprising to you, not to anyone else. Perhaps Paone can get you a job writing about sports?

I intend to spend the more ample time just that way.

Probably not a good idea. Unless you like court rooms.

Nice work Tamara. Vaya Con Dios, happy trails, and God Speed.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Shopping bullhorns now

Actually, Nine, I'm shopping bullhorns on-line as we speak.

Street corners, public parks--any venue will do.

bill young's picture

We voted & I got it ass backwards

What do I know..I voted the opposite of the outcome..No on 3..Yes on 4.

At Fort Sanders I enjoyed meeting the 2 fellows that work for the vote yes folks.

We had a good time talking politics & football & the new urbanist.Oh yes when you're talking new urbanism our buddy Bill Lyons name came up.And yes we liked what he's doing.

Told 'em I respected & liked Elaine.I think Elaine has got a future in politics.How many Democrats do you know with that kind of Republican allies?

Tommy would be one & he sure knows how to win.I like Tommy too.

The No folks ran against the rich man..The Yes folks ran against the courthouse.They both lost.

So if you are running for office run against the rich courthouse crowd!

Like Cas did it.

The voters spoke & so we move on.

Let the 2010 games begin!

I believe the sheriff & constitutional officers will stay in Republican hands.Not so sure about county mayor mayor but the GOP primary should be a hoot.Hell the Democrats may even make a run for it.

But the shit hits the fan for county commission races..execpt for the 1st district.Sam's a done deal.

Whose on first in the 2nd,the 4th,the 6th & the 8th?

Will the 7th district appointee be R Larry's future opponent?

How soon after the New Year will those invites go out to folks for those at large county commission candidates fund raisers?

Anonymously Nine's picture

Strange...

This is more than a little odd, where are the precinct reports?

(link...)

Normally this is up by 11:00 PM Election Day.

Is there a problem?

The Sentinel has the story of a "computer glitch" with absentee ballots.

(link...)

If Charter Amendment three is overturned it will probably require a recount.

This story may not be over.

Nobody's picture

Commissioner

I think that the commissioners who supported 3 should step aside in 2010. You know put your money where your....

Nobody's picture

Recount?

Charter Amendment 3 passes. Final vote total unknown. Election Precinct report is finally up but the Election Cumulative report still does not have the absentee votes.

(link...)

No story in the Sentinel today. Why does it take an extra day to count 6,000 absentee ballots?

Odd, very odd.

Anonymously Nine's picture

Heh,

People at the Election Commission must read KnoxViews, the Cumulative Report is now done:

(link...)

So instead of 6,000 absentee ballots there were only 3,926. 65.13% of the absentee ballots were for Charter Amendment 3 while only 51.29% of the people in Knox County were for Charter Amendment 3.

Odd, very odd.

JCW's picture

Only needed 50 + 1

Only needed 50 + 1 - and we got it.

Nobody's picture

Only needed 50 + 1 - and we

Only needed 50 + 1 - and we got it.

You had to lie to get it.

GDrinnen2's picture

Rikki, Just for curiousity

Rikki,

Just for curiousity sake. . . Do you think at-large and single district representation has the city in ruins?

rikki's picture

When you answer my question

When you answer my question about who decided to omit Property Assessor at the last minute and why, I might consider answering your question.

bill young's picture

I'll take a crack at the question

No Gary I don't but the 3-6 Vols do.

GDrinnen2's picture

Very digitesque.

Very digitesque.

rikki's picture

Very digitesque Which, you

Very digitesque

Which, you ignoring my question for weeks, or you ignoring everything I've already written on this subject and asking for yet more?

GDrinnen2's picture

Rikki, I wasn't aware that

Rikki,

I wasn't aware that you had written an explanation of how at-large and single district representation had ruined (or not ruined) the City of Knoxville. It also seems like a legit question on a rant of the nature of this your thread.

Bill, you are right. I think the bball Vols (and Lady Vols) will go a long way in easing though.

rikki's picture

The City of Knoxville had

The City of Knoxville had at-large and single-rep districts when it sucked, and it has at-large and single-rep districts now. The difference was term limits breaking up Victor's army. Term limits just broke up the county cabal, and you kicked the stool out from under the new Commission before anyone had a chance to see what effect term limits would have.

My question is 44,963 times more legitimate than yours. You asked my opinion. I'm asking about an amendment that almost got voted into the County Charter, so answer my question.

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