Mon
Oct 6 2008
10:03 am
By: R. Neal
The Down Jones Industrial Average is down 311 (3%) as of 10:04 AM.
UPDATE: DJIA just went below 10,000.
UPDATE: +200 point swing, creeping back up towards 10,000. Bloodbath averted?
UPDATE: Oops, -522 (-5%) at 1:18...
UPDATE: Yikes! 9,669.96 -655.42 -6.35% 2:22PM
UPDATE: Close: 9,955.50 -369.88 -3.58% Saved by the bell!
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Percentage wise, the DOW is
Percentage wise, the DOW is not yet down as far as the European markets.
FTSE 100 Britain - -5.66%
Where's the official announcement our bank deposits are insured up to $250,000? Germany, Ireland, and Greece have changed their policies to guarantee 100 percent of bank deposits. Britain is urged to follow their lead.
When was the last time the Dow dropped below 10K?
I glancing at headline earlier, waiting for a large file download at work to complete, and wondering...
when was the last time the Dow dropped below 10K? Either momentarily, or at close?
And isn't the
schmuckguy who wrote Dow 36000 a McCain economic advisor?Oct. 2004?
Oct. 2004?
In Oct. 2007 it was approx. 14,000, almost a 30% decline in one year.
It was 10,662 when Bush took office.
Great returns for the last eight years. Yes, let's definitely privatize Social Security.
Down 500 as of 10:41 AM. Tom
Down 500 as of 10:41 AM.
Tom Petty, anyone?
Okay, since the Dow is
Okay, since the Dow is gaining again, I withdraw my suggestion of Tom Petty and switch it to Mitch Miller, so we can follow the bouncing
ballmarkets.Now down 570+
Markets react to bailout
Does that establish causation?
Brian A.
I'd rather be cycling.
Heckova Job, Paulie
Let's bring back every nimrod that went on CNN, Fox, etc pushing privatization of Social Security and ask them how they could be such idiots and still dress themselves in the morning.
Lest we forget...
the argument on privatization was whether the individual would be allow to direct the investments of his/her social security contrabutions (the Republican preferred alternative) or the government would control and direct investment into the stock market of social security contrabutions (Bill Clinton's preferred alternative). Fortunately, neither prevailed.
Wall Street tumbles amid
Wall Street tumbles amid global sell-off
trading curbs
Current rules call for trading curbs at -1100.
Screw the DJIA. It's chasing
Screw the DJIA. It's chasing expectations of future profit (and it's own tail), and its rise and fall may correspond to the health of the economy at any given point. It's just as likely that it doesn't.
Here are the numbers we should be watching to see if the bailout works: three-month treasuries and the three-month LIBOR should both be around 2%. They're currently .38 and and 4.29, respectively.
NYTimes.com Before the
NYTimes.com
Full of Doubts, U.S.
Full of Doubts, U.S. Shoppers Cut Spending
Here's how I think of
Here's how I think of it:
The U.S. economy is stalling. That's because there isn't as much fuel in the tanks as "we" thought there was. Just a lot of vapor. At this point, there's not much anyone can do - it just isn't going to maintain it's current altitude.
The credit crisis is a related but even more urgent, scary matter. It's like the engines cutting out have also stopped the hydraulics on the flight controls. We need to get those controls back in working order so we can safely glide to a lower altitude without spinning out of control, and then work on getting the engines started.
Which all begs the question. Why would anyone want to let a pilot with John McCain's record take the controls?
Consumer Spending....
is dead no matter how much cash we inject into the banks. More cheap credit? That's like having your kid overdo the Halloween candy, seeing him vomit on the carpet, and tell your wife that the solution is MORE candy.
Put yourself in the shoes of Joe/Jane Sixpack. You did a little refi, got the equity out of your house (screw it, it's going up anyway), and maybe you're getting hit with an adjustable rate, but even if you're not, (1) you maxed out your credit line on the house, and the bank sure isn't going to give you more (2) with 700,000+ lost jobs, you're not feeling real secure right now anyway and (3) even if you still have your job and were meeting all your payments, you're now dealing with $4/gal gas, +20% electricity bills, and rising costs for basics, like food.
Who in their right mind is going to go shopping for that new 150" plasma TV they just unveiled?
The super-rich that got all those tax breaks better get off their a**es, do their patriotic duty, and start loading their Hummers up with American-made goods... oh, but wait, there aren't any left to buy!
Conclusion: Those "engines" are not restarting anytime soon.
Me, I'm borrowing $7K to put an American-made solar system on my house, using a local supplier, which makes me ten times more patriotic than the average McCain voter.
I also repeat my objection
I also repeat my objection to the DJIA as a measure of anything other than conventional "wisdom." It's runup didn't reflect what was actually happening in the economy, and it's rundown won't either.
Yes, we've had that debate
Yes, we've had that debate before and I tend to agree. But it's "main street's" barometer while they're looking at their 401Ks, and Republicans like to take credit for bull markets (tax cuts! tax cuts! tax cuts!) and shift the blame somewhere else (Democrats!) when there are declines.
Just as a point of reference:
DJIA Jan. 1993: 3256
DJIA Jan. 2001: 10,587 (+225%)
DJIA Jan. 2001: 10,587
DJIA Oct. 2008: 10,325 (-2% as of Fri. close)
Heckuva job, Dubya!
Sweet merciful crap
Sweet merciful crap.
I knew Dubya's record with the Dow was unimpressive compared to Clinton's, but I didn't realize it was that drastic.
Dave Ramsey...
... was on one of the local talk radio shows last week. I couldn't get in, but I was dying to ask him:
"Normally, you advise against people putting their money in a 1% to 2% savings account as one of the worst things they can do. Would you now revise your advise to add 'unless a Republican is in the White House'??"
It was sickening he was such a shill for Bush and Paulson. I lost all respect I ever had for him that morning.
Oh, now this is nice...
"The markets have come to the sobering realization that the Bush administration's $700 billion rescue plan won't work quickly to unfreeze the credit markets, and that many banks are still having difficulty gaining access to cash. That's caused investors to exit stocks and move money into the relative safety of government debt."
"...But it's still unclear how quickly financial institutions will be able to hand that [mortgage-based] debt to the U.S. government and convince the markets they are healthy again."
In other words, we just gave $700 BILLION to a bunch of people who never had a plan to begin with.
BREAKING: Pope is also
BREAKING: Pope is also bearish on the markets.
BREAKING: Pope is also
Is the Pope Catholic?
Does a bear market poop on Wall Street?
TNGOP cognitive
TNGOP cognitive dissonance:
(link...)
Great recap. Thanks for
Great recap. Thanks for putting it together. How long before we hear that the Dow drop is caused by fear of Obama becoming President?
Cramerica crash: So what
Cramerica crash:
It's the economy, stupid.
Brian A.
I'd rather be cycling.
Cramer is a douchebag. You
Cramer is a douchebag. You need to do the exact opposite of everything he says.
The Democrat passed bailout plan...
has not worked apparently. What is Obama's plan to save the economy? He is weeks from the presidency.
Saw that coming.
Saw that coming.