Mon
Oct 6 2008
10:03 am

The Down Jones Industrial Average is down 311 (3%) as of 10:04 AM.

UPDATE: DJIA just went below 10,000.

UPDATE: +200 point swing, creeping back up towards 10,000. Bloodbath averted?

UPDATE: Oops, -522 (-5%) at 1:18...

UPDATE: Yikes! 9,669.96 -655.42 -6.35% 2:22PM

UPDATE: Close: 9,955.50 -369.88 -3.58% Saved by the bell!

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bizgrrl's picture

Percentage wise, the DOW is

Percentage wise, the DOW is not yet down as far as the European markets.

FTSE 100 Britain - -5.66%

Where's the official announcement our bank deposits are insured up to $250,000? Germany, Ireland, and Greece have changed their policies to guarantee 100 percent of bank deposits. Britain is urged to follow their lead.

MDB's picture

When was the last time the Dow dropped below 10K?

I glancing at headline earlier, waiting for a large file download at work to complete, and wondering...

when was the last time the Dow dropped below 10K? Either momentarily, or at close?

And isn't the schmuckguy who wrote Dow 36000 a McCain economic advisor?

R. Neal's picture

Oct. 2004?

Oct. 2004?

In Oct. 2007 it was approx. 14,000, almost a 30% decline in one year.

It was 10,662 when Bush took office.

Great returns for the last eight years. Yes, let's definitely privatize Social Security.

MDB's picture

Down 500 as of 10:41 AM. Tom

Down 500 as of 10:41 AM.

Tom Petty, anyone?

MDB's picture

Okay, since the Dow is

Okay, since the Dow is gaining again, I withdraw my suggestion of Tom Petty and switch it to Mitch Miller, so we can follow the bouncing ballmarkets.

Brian A.'s picture

Now down 570+

Markets react to bailout

Does that establish causation?

Brian A.
I'd rather be cycling.

reform4's picture

Heckova Job, Paulie

Let's bring back every nimrod that went on CNN, Fox, etc pushing privatization of Social Security and ask them how they could be such idiots and still dress themselves in the morning.

Hammersmith's picture

Lest we forget...

the argument on privatization was whether the individual would be allow to direct the investments of his/her social security contrabutions (the Republican preferred alternative) or the government would control and direct investment into the stock market of social security contrabutions (Bill Clinton's preferred alternative). Fortunately, neither prevailed.

R. Neal's picture

Wall Street tumbles amid

Wall Street tumbles amid global sell-off

Wall Street tumbled Monday, joining a selloff around the world as fears grew that the financial crisis will cascade through economies globally despite bailout efforts by the U.S. and other governments. The Dow Jones industrials skidded more than 300 points and fell below 10,000 for the first time in four years, while the credit markets remained under strain.

The markets have come to the sobering realization that the Bush administration's $700 billion rescue plan won't work quickly to unfreeze the credit markets, and that many banks are still having difficulty gaining access to cash.

R. Neal's picture

trading curbs

Current rules call for trading curbs at -1100.

Sven's picture

Screw the DJIA. It's chasing

Screw the DJIA. It's chasing expectations of future profit (and it's own tail), and its rise and fall may correspond to the health of the economy at any given point. It's just as likely that it doesn't.

Here are the numbers we should be watching to see if the bailout works: three-month treasuries and the three-month LIBOR should both be around 2%. They're currently .38 and and 4.29, respectively.

R. Neal's picture

NYTimes.com Before the

NYTimes.com

Before the opening bell on Wall Street, the Federal Reserve announced a significant expansion of the amount of money it makes available to major banks. The Fed will now lend up to $900 billion in credit, an enormous sum that officials hope will reassure banks that the government will provide them with adequate capital.

R. Neal's picture

Full of Doubts, U.S.

Full of Doubts, U.S. Shoppers Cut Spending

Recent figures from companies, and interviews across the country, show that automobile sales are plummeting, airline traffic is dropping, restaurant chains are struggling to fill tables, customers are sparse in stores.

When the final tally is in, consumer spending for the quarter just ended will almost certainly shrink, the first quarterly decline in nearly two decades. Many economists, who began the third quarter expecting modest growth, now believe the cutbacks are so severe that the overall economy did not expand either, and they warn that a consumer-led recession could be more severe than the relatively mild one earlier this decade.

Sven's picture

Here's how I think of

Here's how I think of it:

The U.S. economy is stalling. That's because there isn't as much fuel in the tanks as "we" thought there was. Just a lot of vapor. At this point, there's not much anyone can do - it just isn't going to maintain it's current altitude.

The credit crisis is a related but even more urgent, scary matter. It's like the engines cutting out have also stopped the hydraulics on the flight controls. We need to get those controls back in working order so we can safely glide to a lower altitude without spinning out of control, and then work on getting the engines started.

Which all begs the question. Why would anyone want to let a pilot with John McCain's record take the controls?

reform4's picture

Consumer Spending....

is dead no matter how much cash we inject into the banks. More cheap credit? That's like having your kid overdo the Halloween candy, seeing him vomit on the carpet, and tell your wife that the solution is MORE candy.

Put yourself in the shoes of Joe/Jane Sixpack. You did a little refi, got the equity out of your house (screw it, it's going up anyway), and maybe you're getting hit with an adjustable rate, but even if you're not, (1) you maxed out your credit line on the house, and the bank sure isn't going to give you more (2) with 700,000+ lost jobs, you're not feeling real secure right now anyway and (3) even if you still have your job and were meeting all your payments, you're now dealing with $4/gal gas, +20% electricity bills, and rising costs for basics, like food.

Who in their right mind is going to go shopping for that new 150" plasma TV they just unveiled?

The super-rich that got all those tax breaks better get off their a**es, do their patriotic duty, and start loading their Hummers up with American-made goods... oh, but wait, there aren't any left to buy!

Conclusion: Those "engines" are not restarting anytime soon.

Me, I'm borrowing $7K to put an American-made solar system on my house, using a local supplier, which makes me ten times more patriotic than the average McCain voter.

Sven's picture

I also repeat my objection

I also repeat my objection to the DJIA as a measure of anything other than conventional "wisdom." It's runup didn't reflect what was actually happening in the economy, and it's rundown won't either.

R. Neal's picture

Yes, we've had that debate

Yes, we've had that debate before and I tend to agree. But it's "main street's" barometer while they're looking at their 401Ks, and Republicans like to take credit for bull markets (tax cuts! tax cuts! tax cuts!) and shift the blame somewhere else (Democrats!) when there are declines.

Just as a point of reference:

DJIA Jan. 1993: 3256
DJIA Jan. 2001: 10,587 (+225%)

DJIA Jan. 2001: 10,587
DJIA Oct. 2008: 10,325 (-2% as of Fri. close)

Heckuva job, Dubya!

MDB's picture

Sweet merciful crap

Just as a point of reference:

DJIA Jan. 1993: 3256
DJIA Jan. 2001: 10,587 (+225%)

DJIA Jan. 2001: 10,587
DJIA Oct. 2008: 10,325 (-2% as of Fri. close)

Sweet merciful crap.

I knew Dubya's record with the Dow was unimpressive compared to Clinton's, but I didn't realize it was that drastic.

reform4's picture

Dave Ramsey...

... was on one of the local talk radio shows last week. I couldn't get in, but I was dying to ask him:

"Normally, you advise against people putting their money in a 1% to 2% savings account as one of the worst things they can do. Would you now revise your advise to add 'unless a Republican is in the White House'??"

It was sickening he was such a shill for Bush and Paulson. I lost all respect I ever had for him that morning.

reform4's picture

Oh, now this is nice...

"The markets have come to the sobering realization that the Bush administration's $700 billion rescue plan won't work quickly to unfreeze the credit markets, and that many banks are still having difficulty gaining access to cash. That's caused investors to exit stocks and move money into the relative safety of government debt."

"...But it's still unclear how quickly financial institutions will be able to hand that [mortgage-based] debt to the U.S. government and convince the markets they are healthy again."

In other words, we just gave $700 BILLION to a bunch of people who never had a plan to begin with.

Sven's picture

BREAKING: Pope is also

BREAKING: Pope is also bearish on the markets.

MDB's picture

BREAKING: Pope is also

BREAKING: Pope is also bearish on the markets.

Is the Pope Catholic?

Does a bear market poop on Wall Street?

R. Neal's picture

TNGOP cognitive

TNGOP cognitive dissonance:

(link...)

fletch's picture

Great recap. Thanks for

Great recap. Thanks for putting it together. How long before we hear that the Dow drop is caused by fear of Obama becoming President?

Brian A.'s picture

Cramerica crash: So what

Cramerica crash:

So what caused the acceleration in selling? Many have attributed the sell-off to hedge fund redemptions as well as comments Jim Cramer made on the Today Show before the open (that were later picked up on the Drudge Report) when he said, “Whatever money you may need for the next five years, please take it out of the stock market right now, this week."

It's the economy, stupid.

Brian A.
I'd rather be cycling.

Justin's picture

Cramer is a douchebag. You

Cramer is a douchebag. You need to do the exact opposite of everything he says.

Hammersmith's picture

The Democrat passed bailout plan...

has not worked apparently. What is Obama's plan to save the economy? He is weeks from the presidency.

bizgrrl's picture

Saw that coming.

Saw that coming.

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