Mon
Oct 6 2008
09:02 am
More racist stuff
By: EconGal

It's racist, but it's a serious question, based on recently and currently observed social behavior:

Are there likely to be more inner-city riots if Obama wins or loses?

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Nobody's picture

Gutless Liberal Wonders.

Submitted by Nobody (not verified) on Mon, 2008/10/06 - 12:26pm.

My, my, how interesting that no one on this "progressive website" has the guts to answer this question. Gutless wonders indeed.

I suspect that win or lose that there will be some rioting, more if he loses and it will be termed "racist" when all that it will be is a bunch of sore losers acting out their immaturity. Heated words, yes. Denouncements, maybe but what it will show though is that many citizens in this nation are so immature and will never mature. Thus, that is why they will always wait on someone else to deal with their problems instead of addressing them on their own effort. Most importantly, it will show, yet again, that a segment of America does not understand the word or concept of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

sugarfatpie's picture

exactly what "segment of America" are you talking about?

Submitted by sugarfatpie on Mon, 2008/10/06 - 12:56pm.

Could you be a little more clear on which "segment of America does not understand the word or concept of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY." ?
Thanks Nobody.
I sure hope you have the guts to respond.

-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)

"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin

Nobody's picture

The Liberal Horde and its

Submitted by Nobody (not verified) on Mon, 2008/10/06 - 5:19pm.

The Liberal Horde and its manifesto of how government is to be responsible for everything and how no one is solely responsible for their own actions. Does that answer if for you?

gonzone's picture

Yeah

Submitted by gonzone on Wed, 2008/10/08 - 12:33pm.

And also used the word "Horde".
Must play SciFi games online in mom's basement where "PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY" means picking up your semen and Cheetos stained socks and putting them in the dirty clothes hamper for mom to wash.

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Hunter S. Thompson

sugarfatpie's picture

Palin's disavowal of personal responsibility and mob violence

Submitted by sugarfatpie on Tue, 2008/10/07 - 3:02pm.

Gee, seems like there IS a large segment of society that won't accept that Palin is personally responsible for her ignorance coming to light via the media.

(link...)

Worse, Palin's routine attacks on the media have begun to spill into ugliness. In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric's questions for her "less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media." At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy."

-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)

"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin

gonzone's picture

Exactly right

Submitted by gonzone on Wed, 2008/10/08 - 12:30pm.

that a segment of America does not understand the word or concept of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY

And that segment consists of right wing nuts who are too embarrassed to actually put their names behind their shrill screeds. (do I need to make it any clearer for you) I am looking at you and calling you to accept some PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for your words Ms. Nobody!

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Hunter S. Thompson

Nobody's picture

Many of us would but the

Submitted by Nobody (not verified) on Wed, 2008/10/08 - 4:46pm.

Many of us would but the gutless wonders running this site cry like a baby when they are called out and cutoff our Username. Go cry some more as I would love to be able to let you know who I am every damn time I post. So go cry to your worthless leaders about it.

sugarfatpie's picture

Oh, you're one of those- never mind

Submitted by sugarfatpie on Wed, 2008/10/08 - 5:19pm.

troll

-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)

"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin

MDB's picture

No violence during the primaries

Submitted by MDB on Mon, 2008/10/06 - 12:36pm.

"Nobody" (gotta love someone who calls others gutless, then doesn't even bother with a username, much less registering), for some reason, the original post isn't showing up on the main section of the front page of Knoxviews. Perhaps that's why no one is responding.

that being said,

  1. During the primaries, whether Obama won or lost, there was not anything even resembling a riot
  2. What was the last political demonstration over a Presidential election in America that got ugly? The so-called "Brooks Brothers riot", which was organized by the Republican Party.

I say we have more to worry about from riots if McCain loses. The Republicans have demonstrated their capacity for violence already, and with all those unhappy Wall Street traders about...

Carole Borges's picture

Yesterday a person in Palin's crowd was yelling," Kill him!"

Submitted by Carole Borges on Tue, 2008/10/07 - 8:36am.

Yesterday, someone in McCain's crowd was screaming out that Obama was a terrorist in response to McCain's prompt: "Who is he really?"

That's scary stuff.

McCain took no action to publicly correct him, though several times I've seen Obama correct hateful responses during his speeches. Palin did nothing either.

The other day I also heard someone in a park talking with a bunch of like-minded people about politics. He was saying how if things didn't change in Washington (meaning,"You have to get rid of all those damn Liberals in Washington)people were going to take to the streets with their guns.

Making false accusations at a time when people are under so much stress is very irresponsible on the part of Palin and McCain. It's all about judgement and character. If they hadn't announced they were going to drop the issues in order to start a wildly vicious personal attack on Obama's character, the Obama camp would never have brought up the infamous (and more relevant than Ayers) Keating connection to McCain.

The real question now is, why can't they put their country first?

Losing an election isn't nearly as bad as losing your sense of dignity and integrity.

Carole Borges's picture

Who goes nuts when they don't get their way?

Submitted by Carole Borges on Mon, 2008/10/06 - 1:06pm.

We haven't seen many African Americans rioting lately, but some white conservative whackos haven't stopped thinking killing abortion clinic workers is fair game. This riot issue is just another ruse to bring racist fear into the campaign.

Hammersmith's picture

Blacks should riot...

Submitted by Hammersmith on Mon, 2008/10/06 - 4:26pm.

after the election when they realize Obama is indeed just another empty suit propped up by campaign managers and staff and controlled by the powerful economic forces who paid for his election. The rest of us will not riot because we already knew this.

Carole Borges's picture

Dream on, dream on...

Submitted by Carole Borges on Mon, 2008/10/06 - 8:48pm.

Savor every minute of the beliefs you hold because very soon now they will look like folly. Barack Obama said in the beginning he "trusted the American people". They haven't disappointed him either. This might very well be the biggest landslide in history. Go Palin. Go John! Every day you dig yourself in deeper.

Hammersmith's picture

my comment was...

Submitted by Hammersmith on Mon, 2008/10/06 - 9:00pm.

not a partisan political one. Nevertheless, "Savor every minute of the beliefs you hold because very soon now they will look like folly."

Carole Borges's picture

Calling Obama an empty suit isn't partisan?

Submitted by Carole Borges on Tue, 2008/10/07 - 8:12am.

Sorry, if I took your comment that way. What was it then, personal? In that case you're entitled to your opinion. Just as those who say John McCain has early Altzheimer's and Sarah Palin is a narcisstic neurotic.

In the end only the issues count.

Hammersmith's picture

No, not partisan or personal...

Submitted by Hammersmith on Tue, 2008/10/07 - 8:13pm.

One can see and comment on the flaws and failures of one candidate without necessarily backing his/her opponent. Insisting that such criticism is either partisan or "personal" is just another way of attacking someone who has said something you do not want to hear, probably because you are aware that there is a good deal of truth in it. Also, perhaps you will be aware, upon reflection, that my criticism of Obama as an empty suit is different in kind from your name calling of McCain of and Palin, neither of whom I care for or support but my criticism of whom I try to keep substantive.

MDB's picture

Wishful thinking

Submitted by MDB on Tue, 2008/10/07 - 9:07am.

This might very well be the biggest landslide in history.

Sorry, but that strikes me as wishful thinking.

Basically, that would require a 60-40 split in the vote, to match outdo Reagan's defeat of Mondale. McCain would have to self-destruct massively at this point for that to happen -- it would take something on the level of him being found in a hotel room, holding an bloody axe, standing over the still-steaming corpses of Sarah Palin, Cindy McCain and several "escorts", laughing gleefully and repeatedly muttering "I am the Angel of Death and the Hour of Retribution is at hand."

Even then, Obama might not break 55%. Fox News would claim the liberal media was mis-representing the story, and there would be an anonymously circulated e-mail claiming the "Revelations" shows the Angel of Death is a man in his seventies of Scottish descent.

Carole Borges's picture

Ha! Ha! A wild picture that one....

Submitted by Carole Borges on Tue, 2008/10/07 - 12:47pm.

Still McCain does pull off some doozies, like his Superhero dive into Washington (ouch!), and good old Cherry lips. The guy just gets these weird ideas in his head and zoom! Off he goes, and where he'll land nobody knows. Except so far, he's doing a crash and burn act that has kept the Obama people dancing.

gonzone's picture

You mean

Submitted by gonzone on Wed, 2008/10/08 - 12:40pm.

the powerful economic forces who paid for his election

You mean 2 million people like me instead of a few of "Bush's base"?
I'll take it.
I truly do hope the people are Obama's "controllers" instead of banks, oil companies, pharmaceuticals, and other large corporations.
That would be a sweet change I can believe in.

But riot? How about PARTY?!?!

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Hunter S. Thompson

EconGal's picture

Riot-ous comments, indeed

Submitted by EconGal on Mon, 2008/10/06 - 4:40pm.

I was serious when I posed the question. I've had this discussion with several friends (including my obligatory white/black/purple friend or democratic/republican/libertarian friend) and it has always lead to an interesting discussion. Granted, we all know and mostly trust each other, even though we don't agree about a lot of things.

Bbeanster's picture

Gutless?

Submitted by Bbeanster on Mon, 2008/10/06 - 5:50pm.

You people are coming unhinged. Kind of like McCain.

Why should anybody take seriously a thread that starts out with an admission that "It's racist, but..." and goes on to pose a Hobsonian "either/or" non-choice?

sugarfatpie's picture

Kind of like that "McCain has a black love-child" discussion

Submitted by sugarfatpie on Tue, 2008/10/07 - 9:46am.

Right on B.
Con-gal threw a bone to the racists with this one.
Nice con job con-gal.
I'll bet those discussions were interesting. Like the interesting discussions that happened after that push poll in South Carolina in 2000 (implemented by then Bush-Rove staffers now working for McCain) that asked voters how they would respond if they knew that John McCain had a black love-child?
How is your question any different?

Fascinating discussions usually do ensue from questions posed with this kind of racist framing. Including those that note the thinly veiled racism of the person who poses the question.

-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)

"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin

MDB's picture

Serious question, not an attempt to argue

Submitted by MDB on Tue, 2008/10/07 - 9:52am.

Like the interesting discussions that happened after that push poll in South Carolina in 2000 (implemented by then Bush-Rove staffers now working for McCain) that asked voters how they would respond if they knew that John McCain had a black love-child?

Has it ever been proved (or admitted to) that Bush-Rove staffers were behind the push-poll?

I know its widely believed, and it seems likely to be true to me, but is there any solid proof?

Bbeanster's picture

Wrong question--

Submitted by Bbeanster on Tue, 2008/10/07 - 10:59am.

Has it ever been proved (or admitted to) that Bush-Rove staffers were behind the push-poll?
I know its widely believed, and it seems likely to be true to me, but is there any solid proof?

Is there any proof -- solid or otherwise -- that they didn't do it?

I don't know if there's red-handed evidence against Rove and Ralph Reed (people tend to forget Reed's role in the 2000 SC primary), but based on Rove's career body of work who stood to gain from the destruction of McCain's campaign, it would be extremely naive to believe the Bush machine didn't do it.

Over my working life, I've probably covered more than 50 high-profile trials (mostly criminal, a few civil), and I cannot think of a single case where there was an eye witness who stepped up and said, "Yep, I saw him do it." Yet in the vast majority of these cases, the defendant was found guilty. Circumstantial evidence combined with the common sense of jurors generally wins, and the decisions are generally right.

It's the old "post turtle" analogy (which is being applied to Sarah Palin these days, but has been a staple of closing arguments forever). You know the slime about McCain's daughter didn't deposit itself in mailboxes, on doorsteps and windshields all over SC by itself -- somebody put it there. And who else but Rove and Reed had the motive, opportunity, means, track record and "Just win, baby" philosophy to do it?

They also spread stories that McCain was mentally deranged. The Obama people would be hard-pressed to find a single inflammatory accusation to fling at the opposition that the Bushies didn't use in 2000.

MDB's picture

Going in reverse... I don't

Submitted by MDB on Tue, 2008/10/07 - 11:14am.

Going in reverse...

I don't know if there's red-handed evidence against Rove and Ralph Reed (people tend to forget Reed's role in the 2000 SC primary), but based on Rove's career body of work who stood to gain from the destruction of McCain's campaign, it would be extremely naive to believe the Bush machine didn't do it.

Oh, I don't dispute the likelihood of then being behind it. I was just wondering if there was anything like someone admitting to being behind it, or an invoice signed by Karl Rove for "push poll to destroy McCain".

That being said...

Is there any proof -- solid or otherwise -- that they didn't do it?

Oh, c'mon, despite the fact I find the push poll charges credible, that's no standard. Consider this (with apologies to an old Dave Barry column I have some vague memories of):

Is there any proof -- solid or otherwise -- that B. Hussein Obama did not once spend a "lost weekend" in a Dubuque Motel Six with a "woman of questionable virtue" and a John Deere law tractor?

If the standard is the lack of proof, then almost anything is credible.

Bbeanster's picture

Oh, c'mon, despite the

Submitted by Bbeanster on Tue, 2008/10/07 - 11:44am.


Oh, c'mon, despite the fact I find the push poll charges credible, that's no standard. Consider this (with apologies to an old Dave Barry column I have some vague memories of):
Is there any proof -- solid or otherwise -- that B. Hussein Obama did not once spend a "lost weekend" in a Dubuque Motel Six with a "woman of questionable virtue" and a John Deere law tractor?
If the standard is the lack of proof, then almost anything is credible.

Now you are, as my grandmother used to say, talking just to hear your head rattle.

If Obama had a history of spending time in Dubuque flophouses with whores and tractors, the charge would have legs enough that we'd be looking for corroboration. The google is your friend. There's all kinds of evidence there for the reading, unless you'd just rather hear that rattle.

And when has Karl Rove ever admitted to anything? His mentor Lee Attwater didn't come clean until he was on his deathbed. I suspect Rove won't even do it then.

MDB's picture

Now you are, as my

Submitted by MDB on Tue, 2008/10/07 - 11:53am.

Now you are, as my grandmother used to say, talking just to hear your head rattle.

Yeah, and my grandmother, rest her soul, would tell me I could "drive an iron man crazy" for doing that. Gotta love those Southern grandmothers and their way with words.

Seriously, though -- I'm not disputing the accuracy of the charge. I think I made it clear I do believe Rove and Co. were behind it. I'm just bothered by the use of "there's no proof they didn't" as a standard.

gonzone's picture

Your answer

Submitted by gonzone on Wed, 2008/10/08 - 12:46pm.

Yes, it has been validated.

The dirty deed was performed through some of South Carolina's dirtiest GOP political operatives, old acolytes of Atwater (just like Rove). Looking up the proof is relatively easy. These guys brag about it. And guess who they're working for right at this moment?

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Hunter S. Thompson

sugarfatpie's picture

yeah they're easy to look up

Submitted by sugarfatpie on Wed, 2008/10/08 - 1:08pm.

just scroll down!

Jebus, sometimes I wonder what kind of gutless attention span you damn liberal hordes have.

I do kind of like being called a horde though.

-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)

"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin

gonzone's picture

If you insist

Submitted by gonzone on Wed, 2008/10/08 - 3:40pm.

Horde! Horde! Horde!

You're welcome.

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Hunter S. Thompson

sugarfatpie's picture

links

Submitted by sugarfatpie on Tue, 2008/10/07 - 11:00am.

While never highlighting that particular push-poll, others like it were admitted to.
(link...)

This one makes clearer links
(link...)

-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)

"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin

WhitesCreek's picture

Excellent point, B. It

Submitted by WhitesCreek on Tue, 2008/10/07 - 8:57am.

Excellent point, B.

It should be, "Why are some folks so afraid that their ability to think rationally has waned to the point that they may vote for McCain?"

or something like that...

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