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Some of her best friends are gay
Submitted by R. Neal on Wed, 2008/10/01 - 8:18am.
When asked if she thought, as was taught in her church, that prayer could cure the gays, Sara Palin responds...
Palin: I am not going to judge Americans and the decisions that they make in their adult personal relationships. I have one of my absolute best friends for the last 30 years happens to be gay, and I love her dearly. And she is not my "gay friend," she is one of my best friends, who happens to have made a choice that isn't a choice that I have made.
Also, see if you can parse this: "You know there are - there are man's activities that can be contributed to the issues that we're dealing with now, these impacts. I'm not going to solely blame all of man's activities on changes in climate."
... if her gay friend would agree with the characterization of her sexuality as a "choice".
And this is a minor point, but Palin referred to the friend as "her". I don't want to get all politically correct here, but gay women usually prefer the term "lesbian" to "gay". (That's far from universal, though. Heck, I know someone who would proudly label themselves as "dykes".)
Submitted by Factchecker on Wed, 2008/10/01 - 12:27pm.
Her syntax is that of a 9th grader who doesn't read much.
Hmmm... Major politician who doesn't read and talks like a failing child. Where have we heard that before? Oh well, at least she "understands" gun fanatics and mothers alike! And never blinks while protecting Alaska from Russia.
Submitted by Bbeanster on Wed, 2008/10/01 - 11:44pm.
There's no record that Jesus Christ ever mentioned homosexuality, so Palin's views on the state of gayness don't represent those of Christianity -- the religion of our friends notwithstanding.
Submitted by lovable liberal on Wed, 2008/10/01 - 11:45pm.
Yeah, but there's no genetic component of Christianity. Unless of course you dig way down to the tendency of any social species to follow the crowd, which is adaptive in evolutionary terms.
Submitted by talidapali on Thu, 2008/10/02 - 12:48am.
in fact...some of them are preachers. But they respect me enough to let me respectfully disagree with them about religious things.
Unfortunately, some of the people who have least respected my right to believe what I believe in are also fundamentalist, right-wing, conservative Christians. Jesus Christ as far as I can tell was all about tolerance for differences in people. The only thing he did not tolerate was money changing in his Father's house, i.e. the Temple in Jerusalem (the Holy of Holies). That and executing people for getting caught sinning the same kind of sins you yourself are guilty of (correct me if I'm wrong, but in God's eyes all sins...big or little...are equally bad if you don't repent of them and ask for forgiveness right?).
On the whole I believe the world would be a whole lot better place to live in if people could get their noses out of other people's bedrooms and pants. You got enough crap of your own to deal with without worrying about who is sleeping with whom or what positions they use.
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Submitted by sugarfatpie on Thu, 2008/10/02 - 9:17am.
Is that what you are insinuating?
If so, could you back that up please?
Or are you just trying to make Christianity itself another cynical "wedge" issue? Why would you want to degrade your own faith like that?
I'd like to see Obama vs Palin regarding their understanding of the Bible and their ability to live by it. Palin would look like Jimmy Swagert. Obama would look like the thoughtful, principled Christian he is.
I'd like to see a conservative Christian explain the rationalization that its possible to support torture and still claim to be a good Christian.
I can accept someone who says, "its tragic, but the world situation is such we have no choice but to use extreme methods like torture." I'd disagree, but that's an opinion I could at least give begrudging respect.
But when you hear people who claim to be Christians, and then not only defend torture, but seem to like it, seem to even freakin' get off on it -- dang, what Bible are you reading, pal?
I'm a Christian and a liberal Democrat. Its my Christianity that led me to be a Democrat -- I believe a society, especially the wealthiest on Earth, has a duty to care for "the last and the least of those."
I'm not going to claim any form of moral perfection on the part of the Democratic Party. I like what Jim Wallis said about the abortion issue:
Hillary Clinton and other Democrats have said we want to keep abortion "safe, legal and rare." We do a great job on "safe" and "legal" but we really need to work on "rare".
But I've also had it up to my eyeballs with the assumption that "Christian = conservative Republican" that's not only promulgated by the Right, but by the so-called "liberal media", and by secular liberals.
Submitted by cooperhawk on Thu, 2008/10/02 - 11:01am.
My, you guys read a lot into a question. OK, I think there was at least one yes answer there. Another question, do any of your Christian friends think homosexuality is wrong?
Well, my own church is a Metropolitan Community Church, so if anyone there thinks homosexuality is wrong, they really need find another church...
But outside of my own church, yes, I have Christian friends who think homosexuality is wrong. They're still my friends, we just disagree. I've got friends from all across the political and religious spectra.
Submitted by cooperhawk on Sat, 2008/10/04 - 9:02pm.
Oh, I know people who absolutely HATE gays. I just don't consider them friends.
Apparently, by your standards, as many Christians as I know (although you didn't actually say "Christian" so I still don't know if you answered the question), I guess I should know a lot of people who hate gays, but I can't think of any. But I suppose if you look hard enough, everybody is hated by somebody. Take how you guys feel about Sarah Palin for instance.
Submitted by sugarfatpie on Thu, 2008/10/02 - 1:24pm.
Or that humans and dinosaurs walked the earth simultaneously, or that witches have such immense power that they should be run out of town, or that abortion should be denied to rape victims.
Wait...I only know of one person who believes all those things- Sarah Palin!
Submitted by cooperhawk on Sat, 2008/10/04 - 1:19am.
Or that humans and dinosaurs walked the earth simultaneously, or that witches have such immense power that they should be run out of town, or that abortion should be denied to rape victims.
So, you have a problem with someone who has a visiting evangelist who believes in witches, but you don't have a problem with someone whose pastor & "mentor" of 20 years wants God to "damn America"? Or is it that you don't believe in God or witches (what do people who think they are witches believe in?) & so you pick the one who disagrees with you politically & mock their religion? Or maybe you think (hope?) the candidate you like doesn't really believe in the God he says he does so you cut him some slack because you realize he has to say that to satisfy those who aren't as learned as you?
Submitted by redmondkr on Thu, 2008/10/02 - 11:27am.
I came across this on Flickr the other day. Those 'hockey moms' with the support-the-troops bumper sticker on the minivan need to know that they, too, have many gay friends, they just don't know it.
Another place to visit when your self-righteousness on this subject starts to flare up is this letter from Reverend Bruce W. Lowe.
Most 'fundies' won't read it because it is quite lengthy and unsympathetic to their cause. For each of those Old Testament passages they enjoy quoting Rev Lowe has a thoughtful Christian reply.
Submitted by Nobody (not verified) on Thu, 2008/10/02 - 7:43pm.
From the letter - "Several passages in the Bible speak of same-gender sex. In every instance, the Bible is talking about heterosexuals who, filled with lust, have become sex perverts."
Seems rather judgmental to me. Can one not be bisexual?
Submitted by Bbeanster on Fri, 2008/10/03 - 12:06am.
From the letter - "Several passages in the Bible speak of same-gender sex. In every instance, the Bible is talking about heterosexuals who, filled with lust, have become sex perverts."
Find where Jesus was quoted directly on this subject. You won't.
Submitted by cooperhawk on Sat, 2008/10/04 - 1:35am.
Find where Jesus was quoted directly on this subject. You won't.
"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
(Matthew 19:4-6 NIV emphasis added.)
Submitted by Carole Borges on Fri, 2008/10/03 - 9:29pm.
a man named Allen Ginsburg was the first Daddy bear to be born?
Thanks for the cultural links and lingo. I'm always fascinated by the diverse diversions our culture invents. It's important to keep up if one wants to be culturally literate.
Submitted by Carole Borges on Fri, 2008/10/03 - 8:51am.
The way she is always emphasizing how she has so may gay people in her own family, my curiosity is always wanting more details. The sly way she smiles when she says this looks sneaky to me. Wouldn't it be a gas if the First Dude was gay and Palin knew it? Or how about Palin herself? Come to think of it she does look an awful lot like George W. Bush in drag. I mean that hairdo! Really. I mean seriously. What other politican would wink at you while trying to give you a snow job?
Wouldn't it be a gas if the First Dude was gay and Palin knew it?
Trust me... Todd Palin would not hurt for a date on Saturday night if he were gay, at least among the bear community (Don't worry, the link is to a wikipedia entry, not a "naughty site".)
Also, see if you can parse this: "You know there are - there are man's activities that can be contributed to the issues that we're dealing with now, these impacts. I'm not going to solely blame all of man's activities on changes in climate."
I'm happy to know that climate change is not controlling my actions. Sheesh.
Her syntax is that of a 9th grader who doesn't read much.
... if her gay friend would agree with the characterization of her sexuality as a "choice".
And this is a minor point, but Palin referred to the friend as "her". I don't want to get all politically correct here, but gay women usually prefer the term "lesbian" to "gay". (That's far from universal, though. Heck, I know someone who would proudly label themselves as "dykes".)
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Hmmm... Major politician who doesn't read and talks like a failing child. Where have we heard that before? Oh well, at least she "understands" gun fanatics and mothers alike! And never blinks while protecting Alaska from Russia.
Hey she reads stuff, so she can't be that dumb.
In fact, she says she's read "all of them." Whatever the heck that means.
She could never cut it as a KnoxViews poster; that's for sure.
Do any of you have Christian friends?
There's no record that Jesus Christ ever mentioned homosexuality, so Palin's views on the state of gayness don't represent those of Christianity -- the religion of our friends notwithstanding.
Yeah, but there's no genetic component of Christianity. Unless of course you dig way down to the tendency of any social species to follow the crowd, which is adaptive in evolutionary terms.
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in fact...some of them are preachers. But they respect me enough to let me respectfully disagree with them about religious things.
Unfortunately, some of the people who have least respected my right to believe what I believe in are also fundamentalist, right-wing, conservative Christians. Jesus Christ as far as I can tell was all about tolerance for differences in people. The only thing he did not tolerate was money changing in his Father's house, i.e. the Temple in Jerusalem (the Holy of Holies). That and executing people for getting caught sinning the same kind of sins you yourself are guilty of (correct me if I'm wrong, but in God's eyes all sins...big or little...are equally bad if you don't repent of them and ask for forgiveness right?).
On the whole I believe the world would be a whole lot better place to live in if people could get their noses out of other people's bedrooms and pants. You got enough crap of your own to deal with without worrying about who is sleeping with whom or what positions they use.
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"You can't fix stupid..." ~ Ron White"
"I never said I wasn't a brat..." ~ Talidapali
Yeah.... the members of my Christian church.
"liberal/progressive" and "Christian" are not contradictory terms.
Is that what you are insinuating?
If so, could you back that up please?
Or are you just trying to make Christianity itself another cynical "wedge" issue? Why would you want to degrade your own faith like that?
I'd like to see Obama vs Palin regarding their understanding of the Bible and their ability to live by it. Palin would look like Jimmy Swagert. Obama would look like the thoughtful, principled Christian he is.
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"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin
Really drifting off-topic here, but....
I'd like to see a conservative Christian explain the rationalization that its possible to support torture and still claim to be a good Christian.
I can accept someone who says, "its tragic, but the world situation is such we have no choice but to use extreme methods like torture." I'd disagree, but that's an opinion I could at least give begrudging respect.
But when you hear people who claim to be Christians, and then not only defend torture, but seem to like it, seem to even freakin' get off on it -- dang, what Bible are you reading, pal?
I'm a Christian and a liberal Democrat. Its my Christianity that led me to be a Democrat -- I believe a society, especially the wealthiest on Earth, has a duty to care for "the last and the least of those."
I'm not going to claim any form of moral perfection on the part of the Democratic Party. I like what Jim Wallis said about the abortion issue:
But I've also had it up to my eyeballs with the assumption that "Christian = conservative Republican" that's not only promulgated by the Right, but by the so-called "liberal media", and by secular liberals.
Yeah, I've got lots of Christian friends and even some christianist ones.
But I don't condemn them for it nor do I expect they should be second class citizens with fewer rights than non-Christians.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
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My, you guys read a lot into a question. OK, I think there was at least one yes answer there. Another question, do any of your Christian friends think homosexuality is wrong?
Well, my own church is a Metropolitan Community Church, so if anyone there thinks homosexuality is wrong, they really need find another church...
But outside of my own church, yes, I have Christian friends who think homosexuality is wrong. They're still my friends, we just disagree. I've got friends from all across the political and religious spectra.
Sounds like you're the exception, not the rule, at least on this page anyhow.
Oh, I know people who absolutely HATE gays. I just don't consider them friends.
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
Apparently, by your standards, as many Christians as I know (although you didn't actually say "Christian" so I still don't know if you answered the question), I guess I should know a lot of people who hate gays, but I can't think of any. But I suppose if you look hard enough, everybody is hated by somebody. Take how you guys feel about Sarah Palin for instance.
I know people who are Klan members too. They are not my friends either.
Anyhow, can I ask you why you would discriminate against lesbians and gays?
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
What do you mean by discriminate & how did you decide I was doing it?
Let's rephrase the question: "Why would one discriminate against gays and lesbians?"
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
Or that humans and dinosaurs walked the earth simultaneously, or that witches have such immense power that they should be run out of town, or that abortion should be denied to rape victims.
Wait...I only know of one person who believes all those things- Sarah Palin!
-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)
"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin
So, you have a problem with someone who has a visiting evangelist who believes in witches, but you don't have a problem with someone whose pastor & "mentor" of 20 years wants God to "damn America"? Or is it that you don't believe in God or witches (what do people who think they are witches believe in?) & so you pick the one who disagrees with you politically & mock their religion? Or maybe you think (hope?) the candidate you like doesn't really believe in the God he says he does so you cut him some slack because you realize he has to say that to satisfy those who aren't as learned as you?
"Another question, do any of your Christian friends think homosexuality is wrong?"
No.
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
Is that, "No, my Christian friends don't think homosexuality is wrong." or "No, I don't have any Christian friends."?
I came across this on Flickr the other day. Those 'hockey moms' with the support-the-troops bumper sticker on the minivan need to know that they, too, have many gay friends, they just don't know it.
Another place to visit when your self-righteousness on this subject starts to flare up is this letter from Reverend Bruce W. Lowe.
Most 'fundies' won't read it because it is quite lengthy and unsympathetic to their cause. For each of those Old Testament passages they enjoy quoting Rev Lowe has a thoughtful Christian reply.
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From the letter - "Several passages in the Bible speak of same-gender sex. In every instance, the Bible is talking about heterosexuals who, filled with lust, have become sex perverts."
Seems rather judgmental to me. Can one not be bisexual?
Find where Jesus was quoted directly on this subject. You won't.
"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
(Matthew 19:4-6 NIV emphasis added.)
I don't have a problem with that.
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a man named Allen Ginsburg was the first Daddy bear to be born?
Thanks for the cultural links and lingo. I'm always fascinated by the diverse diversions our culture invents. It's important to keep up if one wants to be culturally literate.
The way she is always emphasizing how she has so may gay people in her own family, my curiosity is always wanting more details. The sly way she smiles when she says this looks sneaky to me. Wouldn't it be a gas if the First Dude was gay and Palin knew it? Or how about Palin herself? Come to think of it she does look an awful lot like George W. Bush in drag. I mean that hairdo! Really. I mean seriously. What other politican would wink at you while trying to give you a snow job?
Trust me... Todd Palin would not hurt for a date on Saturday night if he were gay, at least among the bear community (Don't worry, the link is to a wikipedia entry, not a "naughty site".)
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