The Freakonomics clowns have been mostly merely annoying. But being a mainstream conduit for fatuous wingnut talking points is just beyond the pale, man.
[T]here is no doubt at all about how we got into this mess...[A]t the heart of the problem is Congress and its deeply corrupt relationship with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Congress was equally at the heart of the savings and loan disaster 20 years ago and, obviously, learned nothing from it.
Bullshit.
The author, like all the other purveyors of this and other similar dumbass notions, fails to explain the mechanism by which the GSEs ruined America. He harps on poor and corrupt management, accounting scandals and skeezy congressional ties - all of which existed. But zero evidence is provided for the core implication that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac stampeded Wall Street into making bad loans to the shiftless underclass.
That's because no such evidence exists. The GSEs followed Wall Street into subprime late in the game, and held only a tiny fraction of the junk. This is proof that the management was exceptionally stupid - the object of a pyramid scheme is to be the first to join, not the last - but it is not confirmation that the GSEs were the "heart of the problem." Just the opposite, in fact.
These facts also put lie to the corollary wingnut talking point that McCain was prescient in predicting the financial crisis. The accounting scandals he rightly railed about had nothing to do with either the need for GSE privatization (poorly worded) for why the GSEs failed and certainly not the broader housing fiasco. And McCain said absolutely nothing about the subprime recklessness that the rest of Wall Street was engaging in, and that the GSEs would not dabble in for another year.
The bottom line is that Wall Street did not embrace risky credit because of any government housing mandate or competition from government-sponsored enterprises. It embraced risky credit 1) because there was no regulation standing it its way and 2) because it thought it could make mo' money off po' people by charging usurious interest rates.
...one other point. If the conservative argument is that, more broadly, the GSEs distorted the housing market by creating artificial demand, then I expect they will also come out against the mortgage interest tax deduction. Riiiiight.
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I expect they will also come
I expect they will also come out against the mortgage interest tax deduction.
That's what the "Fair Tax" liberpublicans want. The craziest ones were weeded out of the primaries early on, though.
Ach mein Gott! At a
Ach mein Gott!
the craziest ones were
the craziest ones were weeded out
I'd say McCain's just as crazy on this stuff; it's just not his top priority - his specialty is foreign policy lunacy.
It'd sure be nice if actual conservatives hadn't gone extinct and been replaced by free market fairytale true believers. Actual conservatives recognized that the market is inevitably shaped by the state; what really matters is how it is shaped, not if.
Liberals do come up with many cockamamie ideas, and desperately need a rational debating partner.
Jebus: If [the GSEs] were
Jebus:
Yet another attempt to prove the GSEs kicked off the frenzy. Note the shift. "Their portfolios" becomes "originations [sic] in the U.S."
Shameless wankers.
trillionaires
There seems to be an assumption that bad mortgages were issued to "poor people," but is that really the case? It seems more likely that the people defaulting on mortgages were middle/upper class folks living above their means -- those who could have been fine in an ordinary subdivision, but reached for the McMansion instead; those who could have been fine in a modest, older home, but reached for the shiny new one instead; those who could afford their home based on their income, but had major credit-card debt that careless lenders ignored or failed to notice.
I find it inconceivable, pretty much by definition, that "poor people" could be sitting at the heart of a trillion-dollar failure.
You are correct. I work in
You are correct. I work in the insurance industry and have noticed that a majority of the foreclosed homes that I deal with are in the 150k-400k range (I get sent foreclosure paperwork from the lenders). In fact, I cant recall seeing any homes under 150k come across my desk in quite some time.
It seems more likely that
It seems more likely that the people defaulting on mortgages were middle/upper class folks living above their means -- those who could have been fine in an ordinary subdivision, but reached for the McMansion instead; those who could have been fine in a modest, older home, but reached for the shiny new one instead; those who could afford their home based on their income, but had major credit-card debt that careless lenders ignored or failed to notice.
Plus those who were trying to make a lot of $$ by "flipping."
Interesting question about
Interesting question about the demographics of people in default on their loans.
Here's some info from one study:
Link...
There's lots of other interesting stuff at the link.
Here's another study of people seeking credit counseling:
(link...)
Good point. But I would say
I find it inconceivable, pretty much by definition, that "poor people" could be sitting at the heart of a trillion-dollar failure.
Good point. But I would say the tip of the spear was subprime, where the financial wizards thought they could make 4-5 times the usual mortgage profit and thus opened the floodgates of credit into the market.
It was also subprime that touched off the collapse of the whole shell game. Last fall, it accounted for around 20% of the mortgage market and 7% of defaulting mortgages, but 43% of foreclosures. That led to the first wave of corporate failures, fewer home buyers and was a big factor in driving home prices down sharply, which in turn sent a lot more of the "safe" loans into default that wouldn't have otherwise. That's my vastly oversimplified theory, anyway.
But yes, the larger point is that "poor people" did not create this crisis. Subprime borrowers weren't trying to game the system and make a profit off cheap credit (just the opposite - Wall Street was sucking the equity out of their homes). Many if not most could have afforded a non-usurious mortgage, and would have arguably been more diligent about meeting their obligations.
Bullshit bullshit bullshit
Mr. Keating 5:
Whatever happened to the Randian supermen who were supposed to be in charge of the economy's commanding heights? They were outwitted by Fannie Mae? Jesus Christ.
...Ahhhhhhh! blacks or Hispanics in particular. Ok, time to step away from the computer.
selling those bad mortgages
selling those bad mortgages to the banks that are now going bankrupt
Selling to "banks"? I think banks do the selling to these "financiers".
In case John McCain can't
In case John McCain can't read, a pretty picture:
Amazing how the GSEs goosed the market by selling fewer mortgages during the problem time span. Let's make this man president. He's a friggin' financial mastermind.