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Hillary Rocked the DNC
Submitted by Lisa Starbuck on Tue, 2008/08/26 - 11:50pm.
I think even Hillary's detractors would have to agree that her speech rocked the DNC tonight and was exactly what the Democrats needed: a great message and a masterful speech, delivered by a pro.
Submitted by Bbeanster on Wed, 2008/08/27 - 12:27am.
Hillary was absolutely wonderful.
Now, if she can get a leash on Big Dog and some of her surrogates (like Rendell, who today compared Obama to Adlai Stevenson, whom I personally loved, but come ON!)
Realistically, HRC neeed to do this, for her own sake. While her more rabid supporters may still be praying for an Obama loss, she desperately needs to be seen as not sabotaging him.
Don't ever stop, keep going!
It was a beautiful address. Chelsea did great, and I love that they can barely remember Bill. I hope he comes through for Obama like a champion Wednesday night, however.
We will know it's going to be a good speech if his opening line is "They asked me to talk tonight about national security, but instead I'm going to honor my hero Hunter S. Thompson and do what he would have done if the Democratic Party had had the courage to invite him to this stage!"
OK, it's late, but there is a revolution to be started, and I think Hillary launched it tonight with her grace and dedication.
Submitted by sugarfatpie on Wed, 2008/08/27 - 9:17am.
It was a good speech. It helped unify her supporters behind the current Dem platform. It also reminded me of why I initially struggled with the decision to support her or Obama. She can be very inspiring and I would indeed love to have a woman president. However, this speech confirmed my suspicion that Hillary is not the woman who will finally break that glass ceiling. While her hawkish stances may appeal to some moderates, her rhetoric turns off any moderate Repubs, or any independents who have ever voted Repub. Not that smart really.
The speech laid bare the rhetoric that makes Repub hate for her such a renewable resource. Its the way she constantly, and rather in-artfully puts them down, all the while making blunt and ineffective assertions of Dem superiority. OK, this is the convention and its probably time to start attacking, but its much smarter to attack Bush than to attack the Repubs, especially when so many Repubs are speaking at the DNC!
Clinton should have trashed Bush for trashing the Repub ideals of small government and non-existant deficits. Instead she made a bunch of meaningless smears that don't even inspire the Dem base that much and did nothing to reach out to moderate Repubs and swing voters. That is not hitting it out of the park.
It was kind of touching though to see Bubba mouthing "I love you" during the big applause she received. Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.
Submitted by chakra hammer on Wed, 2008/08/27 - 1:52pm.
Although there was no substance (You’re all Victims! Victims! Victims!),
I have to admit Cankles delivered the speech pretty well. Not one “uh, uh, umm, uh, ah, aaahhhh, um…”
Anybody seen the McCain ad with the clip of Hillary saying, “I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002”?
Submitted by Somebody on Wed, 2008/08/27 - 12:24pm.
It was a great speech, and her best attempt at a very tall order. The objective was to move her supporters into the Obama camp. Clearly it worked on some, but not all.
The latter half of her primary campaign so focused her supporters on the idea that she somehow deserved to be the nominee, and that anything that prevented her from being the nominee was a conspiracy to keep her down. Her campaign made enormous tactical errors because they presumed it would be a cakewalk. When that turned out not to be the case, and the numbers began showing she would lose the delegate count, her campaign began a furious effort to change the rules, to present as plausible wild scenarios that could lead to her nomination, and to proffer the argument that the states she won were somehow more demonstrative of strength in a general election that the states that Obama won.
The Obama campaign worked a smart 48.5-state campaign, and came up with the delegates to secure the nomination. They kept their eye on the ball. Their campaign scoffed at Clinton's goofy scenarios.
Unfortunately, Clinton's supporters were so drummed up on the idea that she deserved to win, some have reached the point where facts don't mean much, and where the absurdity of an H. Clinton Democrat preferring McCain over Obama does not strike them.
Clinton had a tall order for that speech and she did a great job, but her previous efforts were impossible to overcome completely, it would seem.
Submitted by bizgrrl on Wed, 2008/08/27 - 12:45pm.
Clearly it worked on some, but not all.
I'm pretty darn certain that anyone that was already a dedicated Democrat will vote for Obama. Otherwise they weren't a guaranteed vote anyway and have a couple of months to get on the band wagon. Instead of complaining, why not work hard in a positive manner to get them to back Obama. Take some tips from Bill Young, be positive.
Submitted by redmondkr on Wed, 2008/08/27 - 4:55pm.
One thing that has struck me so far is that, without exception and taking into account that these are not professional speakers, every so-called ordinary person who has spoken has been much more eloquent than the lump we have had in the White House for almost eight years.
That lady from Alabama who was victimized by the tire company and then again by the Supreme Court must have been really frightened to be in front of all those people and cameras but she still did a better job than the Buffoon in Chief.
Submitted by tennesseevalues... on Wed, 2008/08/27 - 5:01pm.
Amen. I've read several right-wingers online make the "not one um, uh" comment before or complain about Sen. Obama's habit of it. It makes me laugh that they're going to complain about that particular mote in his eye.
Submitted by sugarfatpie on Wed, 2008/08/27 - 5:13pm.
I have been struck by how much more interesting and effective it is to have real people get up and talk about their life experience than it is to have politicians going on and on and on. The woman from Alabama was great, so was the woman from NC who worked at a textile mill for thirty years till the mill closed one day.
CSPAN is great for this type of speaker. The networks always go to some talking head when a non-governor/senator/representative gets up there.
CSPAN kicks ass at convention time! If only because they get the same feed from the DNC that the networks get, but run it without commercials or commentators.
Submitted by StaceyDiamond on Wed, 2008/08/27 - 8:10pm.
Hillary was great and I'm impressed by Chelsea. I wish Bill would attend the speech by Obama. I voted for both Clintons, but think them and there supporters have acted like sore loosers lately. Some pundits pointed out Hillary never talked about Obama's attributes during her speech. BTW, I love the name sugarfatpie.
Hillary was absolutely wonderful.
Now, if she can get a leash on Big Dog and some of her surrogates (like Rendell, who today compared Obama to Adlai Stevenson, whom I personally loved, but come ON!)
Realistically, HRC neeed to do this, for her own sake. While her more rabid supporters may still be praying for an Obama loss, she desperately needs to be seen as not sabotaging him.
Don't ever stop, keep going!
Don't ever stop, keep going!
It was a beautiful address. Chelsea did great, and I love that they can barely remember Bill. I hope he comes through for Obama like a champion Wednesday night, however.
We will know it's going to be a good speech if his opening line is "They asked me to talk tonight about national security, but instead I'm going to honor my hero Hunter S. Thompson and do what he would have done if the Democratic Party had had the courage to invite him to this stage!"
OK, it's late, but there is a revolution to be started, and I think Hillary launched it tonight with her grace and dedication.
It was an amazing speech. I think it hit all the right notes.
There was a certain amount of "ask not what your party can do for you, but what can you do for your party" in it, I thought.
It was a good speech. It helped unify her supporters behind the current Dem platform. It also reminded me of why I initially struggled with the decision to support her or Obama. She can be very inspiring and I would indeed love to have a woman president. However, this speech confirmed my suspicion that Hillary is not the woman who will finally break that glass ceiling. While her hawkish stances may appeal to some moderates, her rhetoric turns off any moderate Repubs, or any independents who have ever voted Repub. Not that smart really.
The speech laid bare the rhetoric that makes Repub hate for her such a renewable resource. Its the way she constantly, and rather in-artfully puts them down, all the while making blunt and ineffective assertions of Dem superiority. OK, this is the convention and its probably time to start attacking, but its much smarter to attack Bush than to attack the Repubs, especially when so many Repubs are speaking at the DNC!
Clinton should have trashed Bush for trashing the Repub ideals of small government and non-existant deficits. Instead she made a bunch of meaningless smears that don't even inspire the Dem base that much and did nothing to reach out to moderate Repubs and swing voters. That is not hitting it out of the park.
It was kind of touching though to see Bubba mouthing "I love you" during the big applause she received. Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.
-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)
"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin
Although there was no substance (You’re all Victims! Victims! Victims!),
I have to admit Cankles delivered the speech pretty well. Not one “uh, uh, umm, uh, ah, aaahhhh, um…”
Anybody seen the McCain ad with the clip of Hillary saying, “I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002”?
LOL!
Not one “uh, uh, umm, uh, ah, aaahhhh, um…”
Is that the standard the conservatives are grading on now? Wow. Link
Yes she did rock the house. Let's hope she keeps fighting for the many important causes to us all.
It was a great speech, and her best attempt at a very tall order. The objective was to move her supporters into the Obama camp. Clearly it worked on some, but not all.
The latter half of her primary campaign so focused her supporters on the idea that she somehow deserved to be the nominee, and that anything that prevented her from being the nominee was a conspiracy to keep her down. Her campaign made enormous tactical errors because they presumed it would be a cakewalk. When that turned out not to be the case, and the numbers began showing she would lose the delegate count, her campaign began a furious effort to change the rules, to present as plausible wild scenarios that could lead to her nomination, and to proffer the argument that the states she won were somehow more demonstrative of strength in a general election that the states that Obama won.
The Obama campaign worked a smart 48.5-state campaign, and came up with the delegates to secure the nomination. They kept their eye on the ball. Their campaign scoffed at Clinton's goofy scenarios.
Unfortunately, Clinton's supporters were so drummed up on the idea that she deserved to win, some have reached the point where facts don't mean much, and where the absurdity of an H. Clinton Democrat preferring McCain over Obama does not strike them.
Clinton had a tall order for that speech and she did a great job, but her previous efforts were impossible to overcome completely, it would seem.
Clearly it worked on some, but not all.
I'm pretty darn certain that anyone that was already a dedicated Democrat will vote for Obama. Otherwise they weren't a guaranteed vote anyway and have a couple of months to get on the band wagon. Instead of complaining, why not work hard in a positive manner to get them to back Obama. Take some tips from Bill Young, be positive.
Too bad she doesn't support the party nominee.
Brian A.
I'd rather be cycling.
One thing that has struck me so far is that, without exception and taking into account that these are not professional speakers, every so-called ordinary person who has spoken has been much more eloquent than the lump we have had in the White House for almost eight years.
That lady from Alabama who was victimized by the tire company and then again by the Supreme Court must have been really frightened to be in front of all those people and cameras but she still did a better job than the Buffoon in Chief.
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Amen. I've read several right-wingers online make the "not one um, uh" comment before or complain about Sen. Obama's habit of it. It makes me laugh that they're going to complain about that particular mote in his eye.
I have been struck by how much more interesting and effective it is to have real people get up and talk about their life experience than it is to have politicians going on and on and on. The woman from Alabama was great, so was the woman from NC who worked at a textile mill for thirty years till the mill closed one day.
CSPAN is great for this type of speaker. The networks always go to some talking head when a non-governor/senator/representative gets up there.
CSPAN kicks ass at convention time! If only because they get the same feed from the DNC that the networks get, but run it without commercials or commentators.
-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)
"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin
Hillary was great and I'm impressed by Chelsea. I wish Bill would attend the speech by Obama. I voted for both Clintons, but think them and there supporters have acted like sore loosers lately. Some pundits pointed out Hillary never talked about Obama's attributes during her speech. BTW, I love the name sugarfatpie.
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