Tue
May 6 2008
10:13 pm
By: R. Neal  shortURL

OK, then.

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rocketsquirrel's picture

oh no.

she just told us it's "on to the White House."

I've said before while I'm for Obama (previously Edwards), I would support her if she were the nominee.

But in the words of Ferris Buehler, "are you still here?"

she is now in a Huckabeean, quixotic quest.

Now she just said "I will work for the Dem nominee..."

she's fence straddling. Don't blame her, but I agree with Randy, she's done.

she's behind in delegates, behind in national popular vote.

c'mon.

let's take this to McCain now. Obama's speech was awesome-especially when he compared his stance on talking to our enemies, as did Truman, Roosevelt, and Kennedy.

I like this guy more and more, and I think Hillary will continue to be an amazing, strong presence in the Senate.

bill young's picture

Great Speech

Hillary has given a great speech.

Fla/Mich got to count.

Thats 2200 votes to nominate.

Clinton wins:

P.R.,West Va.,Ky.

Obama wins:

Oregon & S.D.

It's not over.

rocketsquirrel's picture

Russert: 220k votes still

Russert: 220k votes still out in Indiana, Hillary ahead by 37k. Most of those votes are in Obama strongholds.

no, it's not over.

fletch's picture

According to Chuck Todd at

According to Chuck Todd at MSNBC, Fla/Mich no longer matters.

It's over.

bill young's picture

Damnest thang

Its late nobodys called it

BUT

The oddest thang

Is the late night FOX thing

Talkin about Kennedy/Carter

CONVENTION

Hayduke's picture

Kennedy was far from happy.

What's the point of watching Faux News anyway, but we were talking about this a couple of weeks ago. Kennedy was far from happy. I'm having a hard time seeing Hillary actually helping Obama when she'd be better served by getting to run against McCain in 2012. Getting the nomination and then losing the election would knock him out for next time.

Hayduke's picture

She's broke.

She's broke. Well, the campaign anyway and she's having to put her on money into it. See how long that lasts. If that doesn't speak to "electability" I don't know what does.

bill young's picture

20 beerz

damn

like waitin 4 memphis

in '06 race

NO WAY

Ya think

Obama can win

OK we ????

NO WAY??

rocketsquirrel's picture

Hillary just cancelled her

Hillary just cancelled her morning show appearances. tomorrow is "a day of reflection and meetings."

bill young's picture

WTF

I'm BAMA game drunk

They aint called Indiana

YET!!!

WhitesCreek's picture

Even Tim Russert says, "It's

Even Tim Russert says, "It's over. We now know who the Democratic nominee will be"

Congratulations, to Obamamaniacs!

bizgrrl's picture

At Atrios, Tim Russert even

At Atrios,

Tim Russert even suggested this morning that Sen. Barack Obama may offer to retire her campaign debt as part of an exit deal.

bill young's picture

HANGOVER

Got a New Year's Day hangover.

I enjoyed every minute of Indiana returns.

Good lawd I aint seen 95% of vote in

And still cant call it in YEARS.

OK Florida '00

Not sure what happens now

But the Clinton folks have got to be proud

She won must wins in..Ohio,Tex,Pa. & Indiana.

We move on to West Va..Clinton will win

Last time West Va mattered??

JFK...'60

Factchecker's picture

Ready for Fork

We move on to West Va..Clinton will win

Last time West Va mattered??

You rock, Bill. But do you really think it still matters? I usually worry about things to the bitter end, but even I think it's over now. Slate's "deathwatch": (link...)

The question now is how to bring everyone back in.

Virgil Proudfoot's picture

White folks moving the goal posts

McBush has one goal post in his hand; Hillary has the other. Together, the remaining white candidates will do everything in their power to prevent an African American from becoming president.

Also, I loved Bill Clinton's campaign for Hillary in NC: driving a pickup truck (shades of Fred Thompson!) and getting all folksy with the small-towners. Amazingly, it looks like the folks weren't buying!

Johnny Ringo's picture

McBush has one goal post in

McBush has one goal post in his hand; Hillary has the other. Together, the remaining white candidates will do everything in their power to prevent an African American from becoming president.

OK, so are you saying that not supporting Obama is racist? Is that what we have to look forward to for the next six months?

Hayduke's picture

How many times do I have to

How many times do I have to explain this to you? Supporting Hillary is racist. Supporting Obama was sexist, but now it's just liberal guilt. Supporting Ace McBush is fascist. Keep it straight.

Johnny Ringo's picture

How many times do I have to

How many times do I have to explain this to you? Supporting Hillary is racist. Supporting Obama was sexist, but now it's just liberal guilt. Supporting Ace McBush is fascist. Keep it straight.

Sorry. I continue to be a victim of false consciousness.

Virgil Proudfoot's picture

Nope, just Hillary

I wouldn't say anyone who supports Hillary is racist. Not at all. All I'm saying is that she's moving the goal posts to insure that the black guy won't win, even with the most popular votes or the most delegates. McBush will then do the same. Does anyone remember Florida 2000? Hillary is the new Katherine Harris.

bizgrrl's picture

Couldn't it be that she

Couldn't it be that she wants to win? Has nothing to do with her opponent? You don't think she would do the same thing if Edwards was her current Democratic opponent?

Johnny Ringo's picture

OK, so what your saying is

OK, so what your saying is that while not ALL of Clinton's supporters are racists (very magnanamous of you I'm sure) Hillary IS because she's trying to win the Democratic nomination against a black guy. And I take it that you are also saying that if McCain doesn't immediately drop out and cede the election to Obama after he gets the nomination, it's only because Obama is black and McCain is a racist.

I guess it's a shame that Obama is such a sexist, chauvenistic male. Otherwise he wouldn't have gotten in the race in the first place, displacing the first woman with a real shot at the Presidency. And now the two men in the race are conspiring to keep women out of positions of power. Why does Obama hate women so much, Mr. Proudfoot?

Stunning.

metulj's picture

I think that calling

I think that calling Clinton's campaign racist is idiotic, but once race became a factor, I think it is safe to say that Clinton has not stood up and said, "Knock it off." I had a thought last night that it is a particular dilemma that she is facing. If she says nothing, well, the behavior continues. If she says something, then she is play politics wrt to the behavior.

True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler

gonzone's picture

VP Selection Time

Kathleen Sebelius from Kansas.

Time to move on.

Obama is changing his schedule today to do general election campaigning.

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Hunter S. Thompson

Terry Troll's picture

Ahem

I don't think the large lady has sounded yet but she may have cleared her throat.

R. Neal's picture

TT, I wish it were so, but

TT, I wish it were so, but thus the Mighty Tim hath spake.

Pam Strickland's picture

HRC is having to put even

HRC is having to put even more of her own money into the campaign of late, and she still doesn't have as much as Obama nor does she have enough to cover all her expenses.

I do believe the throat clearing is getting louder.

Pam Strickland

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut

bill young's picture

I'll stay in"until there is a nominee"

That's Senator Clinton's words.

According to AP

Obama is within 185 delegates of one magic number
to clinch the nomination..2,025

Thats without FLA/MICH

Obama is 368 delegates shy with FLA/MICH.
That magic number is 2,208.

There are 217 elected delegates still out.
(maybe a few more if selection process not
complete in some states)

And around 267 unpledged super delegates.

Does "until there is a nominee" mean

Until a candidate gets 2,025 delegates

or 2,208??

Thats Clinton's call to make.

It aint over till its over

But Obama can see the finish line.

Rachel's picture

As Atrios likes to say,

As Atrios likes to say, "this has been another edition of what Digby said."

BTW, I think Clinton had to win big in Indiana and lose by less in NC to continue to look viable. I think Obama now pretty much has the nomination sewed up.

But I agree strongly with Digby on how it's been handled by the press.

WhitesCreek's picture

I think Obama has HAD the

I think Obama has HAD the nomination pretty much sewed up, but I've played card games where the deal was done but you still had to run the rest of the cards.

Smile and throw cards.

Hillary needs to "stay in" and raise money to retire her debt, even if most of it is to herself. She doesn't need to spend very much to campaign if she lays off the media buys and could finish after Oregon with a greatly reduced debt. What she absolutely must do is stay positive.

Unfortunately I see signs that her campaign can't break that old habit. Long term, I think putting her on the Supreme Court would give her an exalted position and remove her as a political problem

StaceyDiamond's picture

08 race

Obama may be alot of things and I'll vote for him should he win the nomination, but to say he is the only one who will unite the country, as many do, is disengenous. The Democrats are split right down the middle. I don't know if he or Hillary could unite the party, much less the country. That said Dems and others united around Kerry early last time and lost big. We'll see.

WhitesCreek's picture

True...But...

Dems and others united around Kerry early last time and lost big.

When John Kerry got the nomination, I thought, "Well, OK...He's way better than Bush/Cheney, at least."

Obama is, as Mary Matalin said, wide eyed and in awe, a "Force of Nature".

He got "WOW!"

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