Both candidates will be..or maybe better put..
should be very cautious in this debate.

One could show a flash of temper.

Or make a gafe.

Which would cost them the nomination.

The race in Pa is very volatile..Clinton's lead
swings from +3 to +14 in recent polls.

She must win to stay in.Ditto for Indiania.

West Va & Ky are trending heavy for Clinton.

OTH,Obama can't afford to get beat bad in Pa &
stumble in Indiania.

NC & Ore are trending heavy for Obama.

To sum up

For Obama,a win in either Pa or Ind.

He's the nominee.

For Clinton,wins in Pa,Ind,West Va & Ky.

Keeps her in the race.

More than likely,in the debate,both will be cautious

No news will be made

But you never know.

...to see Obama wipe his butt with that silly witch again.

I hope he drops the Bosnia Betty bomb. It's still the most pathetic lie told by a politician since Mission Accomplished.

Cant wait to see her wipe the floor with that room temperature IQ,rezko Auchi connected, William Ayers connected, Rev Bigot Wright connected, waste of space, arrogant, pompous arse, empty suit wanker.........

no more bigoted-morons in the whitehouse

HILLARY 2008

NEVER EVER SNOB-AMA

poll out today showing Obama with a 3 point lead in Pa.

Why are liberals always so angry and foul mouthed? Such disrespect for each other...many of you will end up sitting home this November.

Operation Chaos is working!!!

Is it my imagination or does tonight's debate appear to be a unjuried trial. It sure seems that both candidates are being GRILLED in a very unfair way.

BOTH moderators appear to have no respect for the candidates. They are MORE interested in attacking them and expecting an explanation as though the candidates have attacked them.

A debate is supposed to be an intelligent discussion back and forth of important issues and how they will handle those issues.

Does anyone agree?

Liz is smart. Young has nothing to do but write dumb replys. Of course Hillary will win. She's smarter and yes, 1/2 of the nations Dem's want her to win. Maybe 1/2 want Obama, but unfortunately for NO GOOD REASON. They can never think of one, but that he is 'NEW and Change', and sadly has nothing to bring to the office.
Bryon

The American people will decide this election as a group. Unless they are brain-dead, it won't be a George W. Bush clone.

The Democrat who is focusing most on the issues rather than shoveling stale swill will be the next president.

You guess who that is.

You guys have yet to say anything beyond normative statements.

Where's the real PROOF of anything you guys have said?

After watching the Debate, I agree that Charlie Gibson did a VERY good job at Mediating, restating questions, pursuing for an actual answer -- None of the word twisting that unfortunately DID happen in some instances (They tend to due to time constraints.)

And as for Mediating; Why have someone who will accept a lengthy speech on Health care when the question was about whether he or she agrees of Gun Bans? I think a little grilling works well: Forces the Debaters to finally answer "yes" or "no" (Clinton and Obama were both forced to give straight answers, which surprised me when they did, sometimes.)

But, I'm not Pro Gibson or anything. He just did a superb job.

I was glad they were standing at podiums. Represented more as equals, a little further away from each other.

I see where it is being reported many places that this debate was a travesty. I really don't see how it was any worse than any of the other debates. Maybe it's just because Obama was on the defensive this time more so than Clinton?

Carole, I especially don't see how Clinton supporters are starting to lose it.

Whether or not anyone agrees with the tone and substance of the "debate" (cross-examination), it was a good look at how the candidates will handle the October onslaught of slime.

Of course Obama wanted to talk about issues instead of Rezko, Wright, and "bitterness". Trouble is, they have talked about the issues in the other twenty something debates and there's not a dime's worth of difference between their policy positions. Last night he was hit with new attacks that have come up since the last debate. Same thing with Clinton and Bosnian sniper fire. Judging from the attacks if nothing else, Clinton has done a better job of not stepping in dog poop over the last few weeks.

At any rate, both of them handled the attacks well. Clinton brought her "A" game for a change, and seemed better rested and ready. Obama seems to have adopted an old rule of blues playing that says when you play a wrong note you play it again so it sounds like you meant to play it the first time.

And while we can complain about the media dragging the Dem candidates through the mud, keep in mind that this is only a mild preview of what's to come and the GOP won't be pulling any punches.

One of my favorite statements by Clinton in the debate:

She also said jokingly that she had hoped the Republicans would be so ashamed of their performance over the last eight years that they wouldn't run any candidate this time.

The whole problem with this debate was that the moderators were bringing a Republican frame with Republican assumptions to bear with each question.

As a result we got no debate on any substantive issues but only attack/gotcha crap from a 3rd grader perspective. Mickey Mouse TV needs to grow up. We've got way too many serious issues to waste time with GOP framing of the Dem candidates.

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Hunter S. Thompson

My favorite part was on the other channel. It was at the Radio-TV Correspondents Dinner last night. It was when Dick Cheney was telling jokes about Al Gore and the cameras caught House leader Steny Hoyer laughing.

Nothing stiffens my (I) spine like seeing the national Democrats in action.

I have noticed that too, Carole. Not that they will care but I have quit visiting some sites I used to frequent simply because of such outrageous mudslinging. I wonder if any have noticed reductions in their traffic due to others being sick of their crap.

Of course there is the possibility that, for every one that leaves, there will be two that just eat up that kind of thing.

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Pam Strickland

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut

I'm hoping for an upset in Pa. by Obama.

That would end it.

But Clinton must win & I believe she will.

For all you Clinton folks out there..

don't get all freaked out if Clinton wins by "only"
4-6% & the media/pro Obama bloggers try to spin it as a loss.

A Clinton win is a Clinton win.

If she wins & she should..we move to the 4th leg of
Clinton's must win tour...Indiana...May 6th.

If she wins Indiana..Clinton can win the nomination.

Clinton will also win West Va held May 13th.

I believe Obama will win in NC..May 6th.

Clinton wins Pa.,Indiana & West Va.

Obama wins NC.

A 3 outa 4 sweep for Clinton...

going into Oregon & Kentucky..May 20th.

Clinton is WAY..WAY..WAY ahead in Ky.

Not seen a poll from Oregon.

Returns from '72..'76..'80 Pa. primary

1972
HHH-35%
Wallace-21%
McGovern-20%

1976
Carter-37%
Scoop Jackson-25%
Udall-19%

1980
Kennedy-45.7%
Carter-45.4%

Signed..
Nervouse as hell Obama boy in the Fort

Dont give up.

Obama could pull upset in Pa.

2 polls..

Zogby..April 16-17
Clinton-47%
Obama-43%
Undecided-9%

Rasmussen..April 17th
Clinton-47%
Obama-44%
Undecided-9%

It's been just 6 weeks since the last primary vote
in Miss.

But in this election year it seams like eternity.

1.I believe for Obama or Clinton to nail this thing
down both need 2,208 delegates.

Thats majority with Fla./Mich included.

According to Real Clear Politics delegate count

Obama is 560 delegates shy of 2,208
Clinton is 701 delegates shy of 2,208.

2.If when the dust clears after the last primary day
& Obama or Clinton have not nailed the nomination down.

There will be a fight on seating Fla./Mich.

3.The first stop in that fight is the 186 member Credentials Committee.

Right now,there is no way of knowing what the Committee will do.

Not going to kick this dead horse anymore.

I'm going to do what a ton of folks in Philly
are going to do Saturday.

Get some cold beer & pull for the Flyers.