Tue
Apr 8 2008
09:16 am
By: R. Neal
Knox County has released the full list of grant recipients resulting from the recent citizen's review panel:
• Senior's and veteran's services
• Tourism and cultural services
An explanation of the process is here.
Today's Knoxville News Sentinel has an article about the grants and the process, including concerns voiced by Tamara Shepherd, a review panel participant.
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What were the qualifications
What were the qualifications for being on the review panels? How many of the panelists have been on the receiving end of the grant process? More bureacracy and paperwork is a wasteful use of time and money. Non-profits need to spend LESS time performing for the judges and more time with the people they serve. The social services and health services grants that were awarded look like excellent choices to me. Most of these programs have an open door policy and welcome volunteers. Go talk to them instead of demanding more forms.
Goal is to create confidence in process
Cathy, this was a situation in which information was ostensibly collected through the application, but was not forwarded on to panelists charged with making award decisions.
Some of the information supposedly collected but not given to panelists (two highest salaries paid by each agency) was actually required by local ordinance.
What's more, all of this information related to the very documents media had scrutinized over the last few months and found lacking in prior years' processes.
Just so there's no misunderstanding, I'm not one of those folks who thinks the Community Grants department should be abolished. I just recognize a need for the department to adopt processes that will assure the confidence and support of commissioners and taxpayers who are presently detractors.
Nuttin' more, nuttin' less.
It's not that many forms
I'm with Tamara- if we're spending taxpayer money here, there has to be some minimal standard of accountability. We're not talking about IRS 1040 forms here, just statement of salaries for the officers (that should take, what, five minutes to put together?), financial statements (which they have to do anyway for other reporting, so they should have those on file), and conflict of interest forms (1 page, if I recall, mine took maybe 5 minutes to do).
Oh, and a list of board members- I should hope they can find that somewhere in their files. Seriously, if an organization can't put this data together in 15 minutes, they don't have the internal controls to spend their funding responsibly. That's NOT to say that they are bad people or there are nefarious purposes involved, it's just a cold hard accounting fact. Bankers for my business demand I keep my books in line, or they won't loan me money for the same reason. I understand that often the people who devote their time to this kind of service don't always have the background to do the recordkeeping.
If they are having these problems, perhaps the Community Grants staff needs to bring the non-profits' officers together for a half-day workshop on the how-to's of the necessary recordkeeping. Then everybody's happy and everybody wins.
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Fighting for Reform and Representation, Fourth District
Steve Drevik, Commission Seat 4-B
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just statement of salaries
just statement of salaries for the officers (that should take, what, five minutes to put together?), financial statements (which they have to do anyway for other reporting, so they should have those on file), and conflict of interest forms (1 page, if I recall, mine took maybe 5 minutes to do).
Oh, and a list of board members- I should hope they can find that somewhere in their files. Seriously, if an organization can't put this data together in 15 minutes, they don't have the internal controls to spend their funding responsibly.
As someone who's worked for a non-profit, and put this very info together many times for grant applications, I agree with Steve. This should take any half-way well run nonprofit about 15 minutes to pull together.
I agree. I'm very active in
I agree. I'm very active in a nonprofit that is currently in the grant-seeking process from other entities, not the county. Officers, salaries, board members, 990s if applicable, simple financial statements and conflict of interest forms are all extremely reasonable requests and should be viewed by the granting committee. It's simple and straight forward if you ask me. Of course, nobody asked......
Pam Strickland
"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut
Knoxville Voice's Lisa Slade
Knoxville Voice's Lisa Slade also covered this story, including Shepherd's concerns, in our April 3 issue:
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Thanks for the link. Good
Thanks for the link. Good report.
Has anybody heard yet why the Free Clinic didn't get their funding?
R.Neal you just answered
R.Neal you just answered your own question. There was no "why" in this process. Just scores based on opinion, interests (some conflicts of),insufficient information and a brief presentation. There was no logical funding plan to meet the needs of our community.
Missing info *should* be on file
Steve, I should clarify that I'm not saying applicants didn't submit this missing info, only that panelists charged with making award decisions didn't receive it.
It *should* be on file with the department, and maybe it is. My failed motion was to have scheduled just one more review panel meeting, in the department office, to confirm whether the info was on file, and to ascertain whether anything contained there altered our perceptions of applicants' worthiness.
I really regret that we couldn't agree to do that, since we had three full months until the new fiscal years' budget was to be adopted.
I wrote commissioners, then, only to advise that panelists hadn't taken this step, so they would want to. From feedback so far, they do want to.
Hopefully, a little discussion on process this year will result in a better process next year, but in any event, panelists and commissioners alike need to make certain this years' grant applications pass muster in any future audit of what we did.
Ahah....
Wow... that's interesting. Thanks for the clarification. I can't imagine why it wouldn't reach the panelists, that's just crazy.
Thanks again, I apologize to anyone who did submit the info.
(jaw hanging open..... ????)
Why would country staff keep
Why would country staff keep this info from the panels?
I know it's common in these parts to speak poorly of county employees. I don't want to do that, but I'm completely stumped by this reasoning.
One thought would be that they might think it would keep the nonprofits' info private. But by having it on file in the county and by the organization receiving govt money, the records are open under the Open Records portion of the Sunshine Law.
Pam Strickland
"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut
I know that the employee
I know that the employee salaries and list of board members for non-profits is already available in public records. I have also physically seen them attached to grant applications for two of the agencies listed. I have spent entire weeks not doing any of the work that is an agency's mission because of grant writing and application paperwork. It is not relevant to this conversation, but I have spent untold numbers of hours "networking" to keep the board members and contributors happy. The entire process is contrary to the goals of the agency. When it comes right down to it, even federal grants are ultimately given based on someone's mood and the attractiveness of the application. Sometimes worthy groups get left out and redundant agencies get money.
If groups feel that they can
If groups feel that they can find a better way than taking taxpayer money to fund themselves, then they have my permission to look elsewhere.
From skillet to fire
The real problem is that the new process revised the rules so that there is a point structure. OK so far. But applicants with high enough scores could get--and did get--all of what they were recommended to receive. That was 17 out of the 29 applicant organizations*.
Lower performing applicants (per the questionable review process), however, got nothing. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada.
This group of 12 organizations that were cut off at the knees includes many that heavily rely on this grant year after year, such as Ijams, James White Fort, the East Tennessee Historical Society, and WDVX radio.
These are your tax dollars. Do you care about the groups that were shut out? Do you think organizations like WDVX, which got zero-point-zero percent of the 60% of the $50,000 that they were recommended to receive, contribute as much to our region, even in some proportional sense, as organizations like the Knoxville Zoo, which received 79% of the $130,000 (and 100% of the recommended funding) they requested?
Was this feast-or-famine process fair? What will the starved groups do without the funding they depend on to survive? I know they are scrambling right now to review their options and figure out what adjustments they may need to make.
*UPDATE CLARIFICATION: I was referring only to the Tourism and Cultural Services category. But the other categories were handled the very same way: Funding was not weighted. It was ladled to the top groups until it ran out early on, stiffing the rest.
Narrow point spread made budget allocation difficult
Factchecker: "Lower performing applicants (per the questionable review process), however, got nothing."
FC, I saw this one coming on my panel, too. The problem was that some panelists were awarding such generous scores to applicants overall, when news of the severe budget cut hit (at the last meeting), the narrow spread in scores panelists had awarded to applicants left them unable to rely on their scores to "back into" their budgets.
On that Tourism spreadsheet you're looking at, you'll see that panelists got requests for $1,105,417 but that they ultimately got a budget of only $430,000. At their last meeting, they learned they had to cut requests by $675,417 or 61%.
Meanwhile, if you look at that first column of scores Tourism panelists were awarding, you'll see the point spread was very narrow. Panelists awarded application scores ranging from only 92.44 to 63.78, or a "spread" of only 28.66 points.
We had the ability to award scores of 100 to 20, though (with the latter being a recommendation to deny), or a "spread" of 80 points.
I'm sure panelists who hadn't awarded any 60's and 50's and 40's to applicants earlier on had great difficulty re-evaluating so many applications at the tail end of the process. It appears that some chose to just lob off completely the lower end of their respective lists.
Throughout the process, I had awarded the most miserly-looking scores of anyone on my panel, but it was because I was trying from the get-go to "back into" what I thought might be my panel's budget. Roughly, if I awarded a score of 40, it meant I anticipated being able to award 40% of the amount requested, etc.
I commented to the N-S on this forseeable problem (and others) nearly a month ago:
"She said she hopes next year's volunteers receive more information about agency salaries, overall project budgets and the total community grant budget earlier in the process."
" 'We didn't get all of the information that I thought we were going to get on the front end,' Shepherd said. 'It was clear from the get-go that we were either going to have to strike applications or reduce requests by a total of about one-third.'"
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(Edit: As it turned out, my panel had to reduce requests by more like two-thirds. All the more reason, then, to generate a spread in applicant scores that would facilitate spreading the pain.)
I was a panelist too
I served as a panelist on the Social Services panel. While I understand Ms. Shepherd's concern regarding the information she states was not included in the packets, I also understood clearly that any additional documents were available to me. Personally, I am glad we were not given copies of all the documentation. It would have cost the taxpayers thousands of dollars in copy services, paper and staff resources. Each panelist would have needed their own grocery cart to transport the amount of documents Ms. Shepherd is suggesting. I am not exaggerating this point. Commissioner Drevik, it was more than "a few forms."
As a "volunteer" on the Social Services panel, I took my responsibilities very seriously. I chose to participate in this process. No one forced me to volunteer. If I was to make informed decisions about funding the grant applications we were presented, then it was my responsibility to access the information I needed to make these decisions. I too am a very busy person, however I made time to research the internet for public information related to these applicants. I also made time to visit the Community Development Offices on two occasions to review any additional documents necessary. The grants were organized in alphabetic order for each panel. The Social Services Panel had the most grant requests, which could have easily taken up one drawer of a large office filing cabinet.
To clarify a statement by Ms. Shepherd, it was very clear to me and the members of the Social Services Panel that assessing a score of 40 to the application or presentation/Q&A process did not mean that the organization could be granted 40% of their requested funding. It simply was a score related to ranking. Ms. Shepherd's assessment makes no sense; nor does Fact Checker's statements about the fact that some applicants were awarded "zip - zero". You do understand that there was limited funding? It is unfortunate that all the requests could not be funded but also understand that the budget was cut in half of what had been awarded in 2006 and 2007. That made it even harder for more applicants to get funding. Your process assumes that every grant request would get some level of funding. I don't think that it would have been wise to fund all the grant requests if that meant funding all of them below 25% of their requested funding. We had one request of over $200,000. That was more than 40% of our proposed budget.
Another point of clarification... It is true that the applicants were provided an opportunity to give a 3-5 minute presentation to the panelists. In addition, Ms. Shepherd neglected to say, the panelists had the opportunity to ask questions of the presenters to garner further information to make an informed decision about the grant request. Our panel was very inquisitive and informative discussions ensued during this question and answer period. If she did not take the opportunity to ask questions to better inform herself about the organization, program/service needing funding, and populations served then that is her fault and not a flaw in the process.
Now for the final thorn in my side...Mr. FactChecker and any County Commissioners who want to flame the fire under the pot Ms. Shepherd is simmering...All of the Citizen Review Panel meetings were open, "Sunshine Law" meetings. I don't recall any of you being at the meetings in order to have first-hand knowledge of the process.
Thank you Cathy Caughan for your comments. I agree. I hope that rather than jumping on Ms. Shepherd's bandwagon and complaining about a much improved process which had a 50% budget cut, more people will be encourage to volunteer at these local organizations/agencies and take responsibility for the world around them.
I could argue other points but it seems to me that "you can't please all the people all of the time." However, in my experience as a panelist, Mr. Hoglund and the staff of the Community Development Office provided a much improved process and it restored my faith in Community Grants funding allocations. Was it a perfect process? No, and it was explained at the first meeting and subsequent meetings that this was a pilot project. This year's Citizen Review Panel was a learning opportunity for everyone and will help to develop a better process for next year. Thanks to everyone who volunteered! Chip Barry
About my attempts to research questions...
Hi, triggertn. Let me explain that I'm not "simmering" any pot WRT the community grants process.
As I disclosed to my peers on the Youth Services panel, I've been personally (and financially) involved at the community level for over a decade in three of the organizations that submitted apps to my panel--and I support the notion of using some level of taxpayer monies to invest in these and many other organizations that apply to the county for grants. Again, I'm just trying to ensure that we create an award process that's palatable to detractors of the grants program. This year's process wasn't, though...
As for the missing documents, my first preference would have been to receive copies of them, which would have best facilitated group discussion of their content. Your comments about the time and money required to do that are duly noted, but look at the "hole" left in that earlier p-card policy for having failed to copy and retain receipts in the individual departments, then forward originals to Finance. In that parallel process, officials ultimately recognized that the cost of photocopying was simply one that had to be absorbed in order to facilitate information-sharing. Same here, I think.
In the alternative, though, I also tendered a motion that our entire panel meet for one final meeting in the Community Development office to review and discuss these missing documents, which wouldn't have cost staff much time, nor any money.
However, grant staff nixed the first proposal, and my peers nixed the second.
Like you, I spent many hours attempting research on the internet at Guidestar.org. Unfortunately, some organizations had not shared financial information there, the info for other organizations was years old, and the bulk of info available there was available only at a cost for Guidestar's "premium" or "select" reporting service. I might add that a peer on another panel told me of this service at our first whole-group meeting--CD staff did not.
Meanwhile, if anyone on my panel rummaged through files in the CD office, they sure missed several opportunities to share what they found. Although I raised the concern that we hadn't looked at these data on several occasions, there was no discussion whatsoever on my panel of these documents--the very documents to have received scathing reviews by media in recent months. Not. One. Word.
Like you, I also asked a great many questions during interviews--so much so that I felt a little self-conscious for monopolizing conversation. It wasn't possible, though, to obtain lists of board members, conflict of interest statements, and financial and budget data this way.
I did ask salary info of a few applicants during interviews, but on this point, I was amazingly "called out" by a peer who suggested to the chair that I was out of order! It's local law to have this info, for gosh sakes! Peers on my panel were also in disagreement about whether it was appropriate to ask questions about agencies' employment of family members, which issue needs to be addressed in written policy.
You don't mention our failure to review this grant monitoring data Ms. Cook apparently compiles, but that was another big "hole" in our process. Over and over, I saw Youth Services applicants proposing projects like reading programs and after-school homework help, but they failed to state any measurable goal, or to cite any device that would allow them to measure their progress toward achieving that goal.
As in the question of why CD staff collected those supporting docs, only to "deadfile" them, we have to ask why a grant monitoring program is in place, if it is not used in subsequent years' reviews to make award decisions.
The lack of any written policy for this process played hugely in the gaps in this year's process, I think. Whether volunteers or paid staff take on this review next year, I sincerly hope neither party attempts it again before procedures are outlined in writing.
(More on the results of this process--the awards--in a separate post to follow.)
(Edit: One more point about the dearth of info we had--I wrote Cathy off-list yesterday to explain that panelists were unable to either phone or visit applicants to ask additional questions, view documents, or observe their operation. I asked this question in a meeting, so both my question and the answer I got should be on tape somewhere.)
You (the panel) screwed a lot of people
Yes, of course. Then why did applicants above a certain score receive full--not limited--amount of their recommended allotments, while those below received nothing? Given a cut budget, wouldn't the fair thing to do have been to devise a simple weighting formula to account for the decrease in funds? It would not be that difficult to do. Why wasn't this obvious to the panel?
I'm not arguing the process was not followed. I'm saying it was unfair and grossly so. It was all or nothing funding and that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Pilot project? "You can't please all the people all of the time"? These are pitiful excuses for punitive treatment of worthy non-profit groups valued just as much as the "have" groups by the citizens of this county.
In short, IMO, funding for
In short, IMO, funding for not-for-profit organizations that can provide needed community services more effectively than the city/county should be included in the operating budget as a contracting organization and should not be subject to the grant process.
Grants should target new organizations and existing organizations with a plan to expand current services, to purchase needed equipment, to expand existing facilities, etc. Grants should be made on an annual basis and should not be considered a source of continuing operating funds. In the case of new organizations or organization expanding existing programs, grants should be renewable for a fixed period of years subject to an annual review.
About the resulting grant awards...
Where to start on this topic?
The failure to weight Youth Services applications resulted in several anomalies in the panel's recommended awards, including these:
Boys & Girls Clubs (80.91 pts) was recommended to get $31725, but Big Brothers, Big Sisters, just 1.94 pts lower (78.97 pts), was recommended to get -0-.
Girl Scouts (82.38 pts) was recommended to get $11869, but Boy Scouts, just 4.38 pts lower (78.00 pts), was recommended to get -0-.
Other organizations recommended to be shut out completely included longstanding and highly reputed Montgomery Village Child Development Center and Emerald Youth Foundation.
Whether or not it was the intention of CD staff that the scoring process factor in available budget, I’ll stand by my assertion that it must.
Even BEFORE Youth Services panelists learned the severity of the CD budget reduction at that final meeting, I had culled from lists of total grants submitted in prior years which ones related to Youth Services. Before I scored the first application, then, I was aware that we had current year requests of about $942,351 (before two apps were withdrawn), against a prior year award totaling only about $639,500. The knowledge that I would have to cut over $300,000 from requests—even BEFORE any budget reduction--was pivotal in how I approached the scoring process, namely ruthlessly.
But Chip, your assertion that my process of tying scores to percentage of funding “assumes that every grant request would get some level of funding” is exactly opposite what my process affected. In fact, my process led me to recommend denying eight applications outright, for concrete reasons, at our first meeting to compare scores. With the “deadwood” off the table, I could then arrive at scores that would prorate the anticipated budget fairly and reasonably among the remaining contenders.
My peers, in contrast, did not recommend denying any apps—at that first meeting, nor at any time afterward. What’s more, four of nine panelists offered average scores of 85 or above for all applicants! Having awarded scores so close together, how did that mindset facilitate those panelists’ fair and reasonable cuts of even the 1/3 of dollars that had to be cut from requests BEFORE any budget reduction?
Among those eight applications I recommended denying were two outside Knox County (one of which wanted $$$ to “buy” public service announcements), one that wanted $10K to deliver an East Knox reading program to just 18 kids (whom they were already charging $833 per year in tuition), one that wanted $25K for the wealthiest elementary school foundation in the county (when the county operates 90 schools), one that wanted $100K to build a church fellowship hall (when there are how many churches in Knoxville?), etc. etc.
IF panelists had simply taken this “deadwood” off the table first, then arrived at scores for remaining applicants that were indicative of fair and reasonable prorata shares of funding, none of these anomalies in awards would have taken place.
What’s clear, though, is that too many panelists couldn’t discern the “deadwood” for lack of any business acumen, and too many deserving applicants were shafted as a result.
I'm done.
Check your data fields, Factchecker
I don't think you are reading the grants data properly. Compare the "Amount Requested" column vs. the "Recommended Funding Column". The funded amount was based on the average recommended percentage of the panel in combination with the scores on the application and presentation processes. It was not all or nothing. You must be reading the last two columns without considering the "Amount Requested" column.
Once again, I agree that there are organizations worthy of being funded that unfortunatly did not qualify for funding this year. Funding was not an arbitrary decision though. Mr. Hoglund ensured that the process of funding was based on the panelists scores which included three sets of data: the application, the interview, and the recommended funding percentage.
With this clarified, what punitive treatment are you referring to?
Blue
What do the blank spaces in the blue column mean? They are really zeroes, right? Or are you saying that every applicant in the Social Funding category, for example, that received overall scores less than 66.91 points received something? The blank cells should all contain zeroes to be accurate. Unless there's more money coming down the pike any moment, or something. Am I still wrong?
If agencies that got less than 66.91 points were denied only because the money ran out, why weren't the funded amounts to all agencies scaled (weighted) accordingly to share the pain of the reduced budget?
How is it fair that the Knox Urban League, for example, got 47.5% of $42,000 from a score of 68.38, while Helen Ross McNabb got 0% of $41,000 from a score of 66.59? If there are missing numbers (funds) where the blanks are, please clarify.
Can you admit the process was better than in the past?
Please be careful in using terms like "deadfile". There was no deadfile. That is your terminology not the County's, the Community Development Department's, or the other panelist's. You make it sound as though the documents were in a storage unit in an undisclosed location. No one "failed to copy" the documents you felt the panelists should have in their packets. It was a conscious decision to conserve resources. None of these documents was ever "withheld". They were always available for any panelist or County resident to review. That was common knowledge to each panelist from the beginning of the application review process. This was stated on the record on more than one occasion. Relating these grant application documents to missing, misfiled, or fabricated receipts of the P-Card Audit is ludicrous.
If your proposal for the panelists to review these documents as a group was "nixed" on two different occasions, especially by the other panelist in a public forum, then your motion appropriately failed in a public process by majority rule. Again, it was your responsibility to review the documents in question if you felt this was important. Keep in mind there are also logistical issues and taxpayer expenses involved in a Sunshine Law meeting that you are recommending take place in the Community Development offices. In addition, it would have taken several hours for a full panel to review these documents in an open meeting and discuss each piece of paper you are referring to. Having each individual panelist review the documents by themselves does not require adherence to the Sunshine Law. Remember these panels were also taking place when the Sunshine Law issues were at the forefront of everyone's mind. Any infraction would have been jumped upon by the media or citizens.
Speaking of the Sunshine Law...for those wondering...the panelists were instructed that once the final scores were agreed to by the panels and the panels were dismissed, the Sunshine Law no longer applied to future discussion between panelists of the process, applications, etc. Panelists are free to discuss the process with each other now. That said, the Sunshine Law was in place when I recall a panelist suggested visiting/calling respective agencies to "ask additional questions, view documents, or observe operations." Confidentiality issues would certainly exist for some agencies. As I recall, the decision preventing us for visiting/phoning applicants was cautiously made with regards to the Sunshine Law.
These fact-finding missions could have been construed as a violation of the Sunshine Law. A visit may have required public advertisement to allow the general public to be present. A visit may have also required an audio and/or visual recording if you wanted to utilize your findings in the public process of the Panel meeting. Bottom line, the Community Development staff with advise from the County Law Director's office stated that a visit or phone call was not advised due to potential Sunshine Law violations. God knows we don't need another lawsuit. Then again, some Commissioners seem to be pushing us into one.
I hope that you have recommended process improvements to the Community Development Office so that they can take your recommendations into consideration. It is one thing to make complaints or address concerns. Offering logical solutions based on fact is more beneficial in the long run for everyone. The Community Development Office requested feedback on the process at the last meeting of the Social Services panel. As a fellow panelist, I agree there are improvements to be made. I am just thankful to have the opportunity as a citizen to have a small say in how our County money is spent. Keep in mind, these recommendations are just that. The County Commission can completely ignore our efforts and allocate the community grants budget in any manner they choose.
(By the way, you are always invited to attend any County Commission meeting or the committee meetings. They are all public meetings under the Sunshine Law. You don't need to be "asked" to attend by the Community Development Office.)
Re-do eminent
Chip: "None of these documents was ever "withheld". They were always available for any panelist or County resident to review."
Look, Chip, unless you're telling me that every panelist in your group visited the CD office and viewed each of these 369 supplementary docs (that's 41 apps to your panel and 9 supplementary docs for each app), then returned to the next meeting to discuss your collective findings, that aspect of the process was terminally flawed, period.
Chip: "Relating these grant application documents to missing, misfiled, or fabricated receipts of the P-Card Audit is ludicrous."
What I said was that the county previously opted out of photocopying p-card receipts to allow originals to be shared with Finance, but that they had to begin photocopying them to facilitate information sharing. I had the same recommendation for the grants process, for the same reason. My analogy holds.
Chip: "Again, it was your responsibility to review the documents in question if you felt this was important."
If I felt it was important? It WAS important, and not just for me. Everybody needed to review this info, then discuss it.
Chip: "Keep in mind there are also logistical issues and taxpayer expenses involved in a Sunshine Law meeting that you are recommending take place in the Community Development offices."
As was the case for every one of our meetings.
Chip: "As I recall, the decision preventing us for visiting/phoning applicants was cautiously made with regards to the Sunshine Law."
Fine. We, all of us, still needed to answer and discuss unanswered questions someway, and I suggested two other ways, namely photocopying missing docs or meeting in the CD office just one more time. The consensus was not to seek answers, that "we'd do better next year."
Chip: "I hope that you have recommended process improvements to the Community Development Office so that they can take your recommendations into consideration."
I haven't made them to CD, but I have made them to commissioners. I believe that the department must first arrive at written policies for their program generally, then hire qualified professional staff to deliver the program. I think that the program will always be too involved and too expensive as a citizen-driven one.
I'll add that I wrote that letter to commissioners last Wednesday, two days before the panel recommendations were posted to the county's website. If I'd known of that can of worms at the time I wrote my letter, I certainly would have written "longer."
I'm sure you volunteered for noble reasons, as I did, but we failed, and commissioners will now need to undertake a new process to clean up after us. I just hope there's time left for them to do a good job.
(Must leave the house now. Thanks.)
Here's another
Aside from the "whoops, everybody else will have to go away hungry" aspect, here's another example that's goofy:
Disability Resource Center got 48% of $20,000 from a score of 68.33, while University Health System received a lower score of 67.23, yet got 57% out of a higher requested amount of $25,000. Why?
(And good thing UHS didn't slip one more point, else it would have gotten nothing. A little precarious, no?)
blanks - the $ ran out!
The blanks in the last column represnet zeros at this point. HOwever that may change if a particular agency declines teh grant funding because for instance they are unable to operate a program with the level of funding offered and are unable to secure additional funds from other resoruces to operate.
Take for instance the Social Services Panel I think you were referring to. The money ran out with the University of Tennessee Learn to Earn Program. Note that the recommended funding percentage would have offered them $83,333. Only 64,144 was left in the budget so that is all they were offered. If they decline the funding the remaining 64,144 would then be allocated down the line based on the recommended funding percentage until the money was spent.
Keep in mind that the scores that ranked the grants and the recommended funding percentage are individual peices of data. They were determined seperately and at different times through the grant review process. Two agencies with identically ranked scores could end up with different recommended funding percentatges based on how the grant application was completed by the agency and was reviewed by the panelist.
Q.E.D.
Thanks for conceding my original point. There was a failure of planning for what money was actually there, as opposed to the blue sky of some other year's budget. How is this at all fair and not punitive to groups that scored below a resulting (and arbitrary) Threshold of Worthiness?
The light green column should have been reflected in the blue column. Period. The pain from a budget cut should have been shared by all the agencies proportionally. However, that didn't happen. All of that pain is being borne only by agencies below the threshold. None of it above.
By not managing the money so that the actual budget was shared by all groups per the light green column, whatever the number therein, the process failed a LOT of organizations that were zeroed out.
The pain from a budget cut
The pain from a budget cut should have been shared by all the agencies proportionally.
That's not necessarily the best way to do things. For one thing, even tho some of the scores are close, why should lower scoring proposals get the same percentage as higher scoring ones?
Also, all requests for the same amount of $$ are not equal. For example, I may have asked for $100k. The minimum at which I can get the particular piece of work done is $90k. If I'm cut to $65k, I can't do the work at all (which is why someone pointed out that some agencies may decline the $$ if Commission approves what's recommended).
OTOH, I may have asked for $100k, but am still able to do 65% of the work with $65k. It depends on the nature of the particular piece of work.
Again, look to spread in scores
FC: "The pain from a budget cut should have been shared by all the agencies proportionally."
Rachel: "That's not necessarily the best way to do things. For one thing, even tho some of the scores are close, why should lower scoring proposals get the same percentage as higher scoring ones?"
One last time, the scores shouldn't be particularly close--nor should so many be 85 or above.
If that full spread of scores is utilized (awarded, I mean), ranging from 20 to 100 points, the weaker organizations will "take their lumps" due to their significantly lower scores.
This holds true even if the percentage of the budget cut is shared equally among organizations, as FC suggests.
(Really gone now.)
P.S.
Here's an easy solution that has some fairness. You just take the available funds, e.g., $475k (blue total), and divide by expected amt, e.g., $658k (olive total). Then you multiply the result, 72.2% here, to each value in the olive column to get actual values in the blue column.
This is not rocket science.
I acknowledge that, Rachel.
I acknowledge that, Rachel. I'm not saying the point system, per se, is fair or unfair. (And perhaps so for the odd correlation of points to recommended award amounts vis a vis requested amounts. See my second example comparison above.)
Though I "heard" that the presentation "interview" was kind of a song and dance. The factor of charm to the resulting score did not sound fair. Again, just the way I heard it.
Do not include me in you "failure"
Unfortunately your continued attacks of the recent process still do not provide any logical, cost-effective solutions. You continue to bash the process and kill the messengers. If you wanted to improve the process, respond to the Community Development Offices request for feedback so that they can put together recommended policies for next year. Taking your complaints to the Commission is comtinuing to wag the dog! At this point I have little faith in Commission's ability to "clean up" any mess. If they try, it will only get worse because a majority of them are not able to leave the political strings out of the grant allocation pot of money; just like Ms. Finch and other County executives who made these decisions in the past.
As for your comment that as panelist, "we failed"...DO NOT include ME in your so-called failure. I am offended by your all-inclusive statement. I feel confident that other panel members would be offended also. I am proud of my participation, proud of the work the Social Services panel performed, proud of the way the Community Development Office coordinated what was a cumbersome and tenuous process. In talking with other panel members after our final meeting, everyone I spoke with seemed to be agreeable that the process was a postitive experience and panelist felt good about the resulting data. Do we have some suggestions for improvement. Certainly. I have been thoughtfully putting together my suggestions for next year and respectfully plan to send them to the Community Development Office. In the end, I would proudly serve on a citizen review panel again next year. I want to be part of the solution.
What to say...
Chip, I just don't know what to say about your seeming insistence that this year's process was good enough, and that its results should stand.
You're wrong that neither commissioners nor taxpayers care to have these thousands of documents examined. You're wrong that agencies are content with this distribution of funding--or that it wouldn't have dire consequences on local services.
The process must and will be done over. Briggs met with mayor's office staff on this topic last week. DeFreese is looking into a possible ad hoc committee to start the process over. Or, it may be that commission's Finance Committee will just have to give extra time to a re-do. In any event, the consensus from every elected official I've heard from--and not just commissioners--is that it must be started over.
I, too, want to be "part of the solution," and I've offered several suggestions for process in this thread, but your comments seem to suggest that all is already "solved."
Clarification: Spread in scores
Well, back briefly and I must clarify that last post of mine, which makes no sense...
What I mean is, the column reflecting "Average Funding Percentage" is the one that is completely arbitrary, varies in some cases from application or interview scores by 20% or more, and is unsupported by any worksheet/scoresheet.
Really, the column reflecting "Average Interview Score" is also arbitrary, since panelists lacked any worksheet/scoresheet/thought process with which to evaluate interviews.
If panelists had instead relied on the column reflecting "Average Application Score," which *was* well-documented and well thought out, and if panelists had awarded that full 80 point range of possible scores to applications, THEN the scores themselves could have been multiplied by applicants' amounts requested, to arrive at a fair and reasonable distribution of monies to all applicants who didn't "fail" outright.
That was what I was trying to do, and that is what I meant when I suggested that the approach would cause "the weaker organizations (to) take their lumps due to their significantly lower scores."
Really, the column
Really, the column reflecting "Average Interview Score" is also arbitrary, since panelists lacked any worksheet/scoresheet/thought process with which to evaluate interviews.
Sounds like that's an improvement to be added next year. Anything that produces a ranking should be based on criteria laid out in advance.
not my words or suggestions.
Ms. Shepherd:
"You're wrong that neither commissioners nor taxpayers care to have these thousands of documents examined. You're wrong that agencies are content with this distribution of funding--or that it wouldn't have dire consequences on local services."
I never said any of the above nor do I anticipate any "dire" consequences as a result of not funding a particular grant request. Are there agencies that are upset because they did not receive funding? Sure. Have agencies unfortunately become reliant on these funds for annual budgeting purposes? Yes. Has any of these agencies had deal with adjusting their budgets due to lack of funding or reduced funding? Ask any agency that has dealt with Tenncare reimbursements in the last 10 years. Remember the Community Grants budget was cut in half! There is no way that every agency could have received appropriate funding. (i.e. giving an agency 25% or less of their requested funds for example is probably not going to be helpful in most cases.)
As for your statements about possible re-do options, this was the panelists biggest fear. Do you remember this issue was brought up at one of the first orientation meetings by a couple of volunteers? In this worst case scenario you have created (a re-do), all of our efforts were a waste of time then in your mind and apparently in the minds of all the "elected officials you have heard from." It will be a slap in the face to all the volunteers who sat on these panels if no consideration is given to the work we performed. "The process must and will be done over." What gives you the right to decide that for all County citizens. Oh Boy...a re-do...won't that create an environment where people will want to line up to particiapate in the next citizen driven, citizen review panel!
Again I am going to repeat myself for the third time...The process was not perfect. I feel confident in the outcome of the Social Services Panel. The process was far better than the method used in the past. The budget was cut in half from the last two years. It was impossible to appropriately fund every grant request. All application information was always available for review. All panelists should recommend process improvements to the Community Development Office so that a formal "citizen driven" process can be recommeded to County Commission for implementation next year.
Best
"...so that a formal "citizen driven" process can be recommeded to County Commission for implementation next year."
Good luck with that.
Sounds like that's an improvement to be added next year
Thank you Rachel for suggesting an improvement. Believe it r not I actually agree with Ms Shepherd that all data sets should be based on pre-determined criteria. Personally my thought process during the interview process was to take the raw score of the application, which was based on a set of standard questions that were applied to all grant requests, and assess plus or minus points per set of questions based on the requestors presentation and responce to the questions. Generally you would see my interview scores were the same as or better than the application score since generally the questions and answers provided more clarification of what was written in the application. This seemed like the most logical process since it was based on predetermined criteria and related to the first set of scores. I hope that makes sense. It is also one of my recommendations for next year in order to standardize the process accross panelists.
No
"Personally my thought process during the interview process was to take the raw score of the application, which was based on a set of standard questions that were applied to all grant requests, and assess plus or minus points per set of questions based on blah, blah, woof, woof..."
Buddy, it just doesn't matter what your "thought process through the interview process" was, nor what interview score you determined, nor even what application score you determined. All those gyrations were for naught.
In the end, what you did was to pluck from the sky some "Average Funding Percentages" which bore NO RELATION to either of those scores, and you made ALL of your funding recommendations on that completely arbitrary basis..."until the money ran out."
And you don't even know this is what you did. And I'll bet you didn't look at those 369 supporting documents on your two trips to the Community Development office, either.
Whether or not staff could arrive at a better process--make that ANY process--over the next year, no, I don't think another citizen panel should be assembled to review grants. This year, staff and citizens alike are looking pretty damned stupid.
what?
Tamara, you lost me on that last one..."good luck with that." Do you mean that a citizen review process should not be considered? Do you not trust that the Community Development Office can define a formal process? or Do you think that County Commission will not be able to come to a concensus on the process? Seriously, what are your thoughts?
staff and citizens alike are looking pretty damned stupid
"Whether or not staff could arrive at a better process--make that ANY process--over the next year, no, I don't think another citizen panel should be assembled to review grants. This year, staff and citizens alike are looking pretty damned stupid."
Is anyone else reading her condescending words? She has gone from bashing the propcess to calling us all idiots.
I trust you are including County Commission in that statement since they are both citizens and paid representatives of Knox County Government. You are inlcuded in that statement as well. Using that statement then we are all a bunch of idiots and no process any of us ever puts together will ever work. Why bother then? It can be inferred from such a fatalistic viewpoint that it is your intent to cut Community Development Grants completely out of the Knox County Budget. Is that where you are headed with this?
I have more faith in the citizens who volunteered for these panels than to call us a bunch of idiots. You have offended again.
staff and citizens alike are looking pretty damned stupid
"Whether or not staff could arrive at a better process--make that ANY process--over the next year, no, I don't think another citizen panel should be assembled to review grants. This year, staff and citizens alike are looking pretty damned stupid."
Is anyone else reading her condescending words? She has gone from bashing the propcess to calling us all idiots.
I trust you are including County Commission in that statement since they are both citizens and paid representatives of Knox County Government. You are inlcuded in that statement as well. Using that statement then we are all a bunch of idiots and no process any of us ever puts together will ever work. Why bother then? It can be inferred from such a fatalistic viewpoint that it is your intent to cut Community Development Grants completely out of the Knox County Budget. Is that where you are headed with this?
I have more faith in the citizens who volunteered for these panels than to call us a bunch of idiots. You have offended again.
Trying to get back on point...
Can we all agree that at least the major flaw in the process that this key information was not made available and reviewed? Regardless of the point system, allocations, cut offs, etc, I and I think most 'outsiders' would argue that it was wrong to leave this information out of the review, even if just digested to summary form (does an officer of the non-profit have any conflict of interest: yes/no? What are the range of salaries within the organization, lowest, highest, and median?).
Such a summary would offer some information in 3-5 pages per CDG member, and if it really is 1000s of pages, then at least a summary could lead them to anything that might need more detailed review. Having none of this information undermines the confidence taxpayers have in the CDG program and could to the detriment of ALL. If I were a non-profit, I'd be pretty ticked off and concerned that the entire program has been endangered.
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Fighting for Reform and Representation, Fourth District
Steve Drevik, Commission Seat 4-B
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Properly laid out, the
Properly laid out, the information for each applicant could be from 1-4, maybe 5 pages. Copy it front and back.
Or it could be put online somehow.
Pam Strickland
"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut
Agreed
Using cost of photocopying as an excuse not to provide information is, in this day and age, an outdated excuse. Another helpful idea for the next year would be to require applications in electronic format (a PDF form or Word form), and all applications could be posted online in a few hours, allowing the entire community to review and comment.
Upside: You have the power of crowds working for you (see Wikinomics, Wisdom of Crowds, etc)
Downside: a well-orchestrated negative campaign against a single organization can take something out of context and sink a worthy organization's chances. The committee would have to be wary of this kind of activity and not be pressured by a sudden and unusual volume of online comments/complaints without checking into it themselves.
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Fighting for Reform and Representation, Fourth District
Steve Drevik, Commission Seat 4-B
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Sorry to drone on, but it's significant
I still want to know why the budget cut wasn't split evenly, so that the pain would have been shared and no organization that was to be funded would have been shut out.
It would have been a lot simpler than even I made it out to be above. Because the weighting between the groups was already determined by the recommended funding amounts. That was the hard part. (Whether those amounts were "fair" is another matter.)
All they had to do was apply the total budget cut (e.g. 28%) to each and every recommended grant (i.e., across the board equally). Then each and every group would walk away with 28% less solely due to the 28% cut in funding (or whatever the percentage cut). Voila. Shared sacrifice.
Did they not think of this? Certainly it was not too confusing. There has to be a reason. What is it?
Here's a copy of a letter I'm sending about this process
It will go downtown to Erik Hoglund and Judy Parker, the two people who supervised the social services panel. They asked everyone to send in their thoughts about the experience.
Dear Judy Parker and Erik Hoglund,
Thank you for inviting me to be on the Social Services panel. Part of the reason I submitted an application for the position was my desire to help perfect a system that would be fair to all applicants. My experience as an educator and social service worker seemed to recommend me as a possible panelist. I also felt I had not developed any relationships, either familial or through volunteerism, that would make me biased in any way.
I feel all of the members on our social services panel tried very hard to be fair. There was however an extremely limited amount of time for discussions about process. Most of our meeting time was taken up with recording our numerical ratings for the application packets and then for the interviews. The last meeting was concluded in spite of a strong feeling expressed by at least one panel member that the process we were using to select who got partially funded was not exactly clear. There was also some question as to whether or not we were obliged to fully fund the Cansler Y capitol building fund because the large amount the mayor had promised them did limit the amount of monies available to some organizations we deemed worthy and valuable.
The partial funding component caused the most discussion. It was unclear whether or not partial funding was useful because the grants were mainly for specific projects or named targets. The question was whether or not the organizations could fulfill their stated objective if they only received a portion of the money. There was no way to actually know whether or not their stated objectives could be met with partial funding. In the end the consensus was that partially funding everyone was not the most logical solution. It seemed that those organizations who had achieved higher numerical scores did deserve to be rewarded for that.
I felt very certain that there was no conflict of interest on our panel. People with even the slightest possibility of a connection to an organization seeking funding disclosed that information readily, and they excused themselves voluntarily without giving the organization in question a rating.
After reading the application packets, interviewing organization representatives, and doing our own private research, I did feel we had a very good sense of the organizations.
During the first meeting we were given a list of organizations that had received funding previously, but there was no way of knowing how that money was actually spent or what services were actually provided to the public. I would recommend a simple paragraph be requested in future applications to clarify that issue---a summary of the way the monies were used for each year a grant was received.
Throughout this process we were reminded that we were creating a totally new system. Therefore little guidance was given about process.
We were under the impression that all the panels would use a uniform ranking and distribution process, but we were the first group to be finished, so we had no way of knowing if this turned out to be true. Personally I would have preferred to distribute partial funding to more groups, but there didn’t seem any way to do this fairly while still being sure the organizations would actually benefit from this. This definitely needs to address in the future.
From the start, we were assured by Mayor Ragsdale and our team leaders that our decisions would be supported. We knew Commission had the final say, but we believed they would follow our recommendations rather than advocate for organizations that might be within their constituency areas. If not, why not just let Commission decide about the funding? The whole idea of this process (flawed or not) was to have a group of citizens decide where the tax payers money should go.
I should mention the fact that we only had one minority member on our panel. That hardly seemed to be representative. I did not however feel there was any bias toward minority organizations on our panel.
The most important complaint I have about this experience was the lack of time. We only had so much of it, and this made any lengthily discussion about our process difficult.
The fact that we did not have a face-to-face opportunity to discuss our process as a group afterwards also felt very unfair. Having to write our impressions individually or have them fit a prepared “assessment” sheet could never take the place of a group follow-up meeting.
Anyone trying to assess the success of the citizen review panels must consider how little time was allotted for this process. Four meetings simply did not afford a sufficient amount of time to receive instructions, evaluate application packages, interview people, and allocate funds. It was clear to me right from the beginning more thought should have been given to the whole process before the panels were seated. In my opinion, this caused an unfair burden of responsibility to be shifted onto the shoulders of the panelists.
The hardest part of this process was realizing that not everyone could be funded. It was very difficult to not fund organizations that were obviously providing valuable services to the community, but there was just so much money to go around. Obviously money had been given to groups for years by the Finch staff, but every well managed organization knows they should never be overly dependent on one grant. I have worked for several grant-funded organizations, and I assure you every time our funding was up for renewal we knew we might not get funded.
In conclusion, I must say that I felt the social services panel was composed of people who took their job seriously. I believe they were as fair and thoughtful as they could be under the circumstances.
Because of all the heated feelings about this matter, I would suggest that a public meeting to answer questions and receive input about this whole grant funding process be held.
A redo is out of the question for me. I volunteered to do this within a certain time-frame. If a redo takes place I would imagine new panelists would have to be found.
Before any other panel sits, I would suggest the parts of the process that have caused so much controversy be examined carefully.
Sincerely,
Carole Ann Borges
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Thanks, Carole. I appreciate
Thanks, Carole. I appreciate your time and effort in the process. I know that you are someone who is fair and considerate.
Pam Strickland
"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut
Your panel gave almost 25%
Your panel gave almost 25% of its total allocation to fund a promise by the mayor (Cansler Y)? Last I checked promises, political favors, and selective project funding are what got us in this mess. "Fair and Thoughtful"...many would disagree.
We were told that the mayor's commitment had to stand
I'm not sure if this was a legal question, but that seemed to be the impression. In the time alloted to discuss this, we relied on the veracity of the assurances we were given. Someone did argue the point. They said if we really were "creating a new system" then perhaps we didn't have to honor commitments made in the past. That argument was dismissed. We were told the Mayor's agreement to fund this (I think it was for 5 years) was not something we should interfere with. I don't think it was just a "promise". I think it was an agreement that if broken could have legal consequences. At least, that's the way I heard it. The Cansler Y is a very important asset to the community. We all did agree on that point.
The mayor does not have the
The mayor does not have the authority to make this guarantee, not that this has ever stopped him. This is an easy question to ask and answer. Last I checked we have a law director.
Cansler Y is a great place with great programs; I would not agrue that it is not. The question you should ask is: Does funding this capital campaign meet the priorty objectives outlined by community development? They did tell you the priority objectives they hoped to meet with several million in grant dollars..right? Homelessness, Pulic Health, Housing, Mental Health, Etc.
No priorities were stated...
I felt they should have been, but the system was only set up to create numerical values. I did mention that fact in my letter to the grant reviewers. I think the problem as I said before was that there was not enough time spent before the panels sat to consider the entire process holistically. I believe they said they used components from other well-known repectable grant funding organizations. In all fairness most of the organizations were providing services for things that would be deemed essential priorities, the ones you mentioned, plus others. None of the applications was for frivolous or ridiculous things.
At the time it seemed clear we had to give the Cansler Y full funding. Because they are a very important community element that did make some sense. I can't say what the details about any agreement was to fund this, all I know is we were given the impression that it was important to follow through on fully funding the Cansler Y application request.