Sat
Mar 1 2008
09:18 am

It's been very frustrating over the past few weeks listening to the smug media (and liberal talk radio personalities and Obama bloggers) writing off the Clinton campaign and suggesting that it's time for her to drop out.

Lots more after the jump...

There is no doubt that Obama has run an impressive campaign, especially given his lack of experience in presidential politics and national policy issues. And there's no doubt that the Clinton campaign has fumbled on more than one occasion. But to suggest that the primary is already over is premature and not fair to Clinton or to Democrats who have not yet voted. While Obama has pulled ahead and is gaining momentum (thanks in part to the media), it's still a relatively close race.

Delegate counts:

Obama Clinton Dif
Est. Pledged Delegates (CNN) 1184 (53%) 1031 (47%) 153
Est. Pledged Delegates (MSNBC) 1194 (54%) 1037 (46%) 97
Est. Pledged Delegates (NYT) 1303.5 (52%) 1212 (48%) 93.5
Est. Pledged Delegates (RCP) 1193 (53%) 1038 (47%) 155
Est. Pledged Delegates (Green Papers) 1127.5 (53%) 1007.5 (47%) 120
Hard Delegates (Green Papers) 646.5 (51%) 629.5 (49%) 17


The numbers vary, and at this point show a clear but not unsurmountable lead for Obama. But there are still seventeen states to go, including some large states such as Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina, and other states representing a substantial number of delegates such as Indiana, Kentucky, and Oregon. Perhaps the media should back off picking a winner until we've heard from some of those states. Then there are the "superdelegates," and the question of Democratic voters in Michigan and Florida who have been disenfranchised by the DNC.

Regardless of how you look at it, Clinton has put up some respectable numbers. While the delegate math isn't looking good for her at this point, she is still a serious candidate and deserves better than she's getting from the media.

Popular vote so far:

Obama Clinton
Popular Vote (Green Papers) 10,868,966 (51%) 10,554,494 (49%)
Popular Vote (RCP, minus FL/MI) 10,305,403 (52%) 9,379,822 (48%)


Again we see that Obama is ahead, but also that a substantial number (almost half) of Democratic voters support Clinton. (And regardless of who you support, Democrats everywhere should be thrilled with this turnout.) Looking at these numbers, it's not clear why Clinton should drop out. Would a candidate polling at 48% or 49% two weeks before a general election concede? And Obama bloggers who like to insult Clinton supporters should keep in mind that they are insulting ten million fellow Democrats.

Hypothetical electoral votes in states won to date:

Obama Clinton
All states 185 183
Blue states (2004) 85 117


Here's where Democrats need to stop and think a minute. Blue states are voting for Clinton. These states will be safe for Obama in the general, but Democrats should be asking themselves, what do these reliably Democratic states see in Clinton? It's nice that Obama is winning all those red states, but does anyone seriously think Obama will win them in the general?

March 4 primaries:

Obama Clinton
Ohio Polls (2/22-2/28 RCP avg., 141 delegates at stake) 42.3% 47.3%
Texas Polls (2/22-2/28 RCP avg., 193 delegates at stake) 47.4% 45.4%


Any way you cut it, March 4th will be a close primary. It's very unlikely that Clinton can pull ahead mathematically, but neither can Obama gain the delegates he needs for an outright win. The split will likely remain about where it is today. Which means Democrats will remain divided with no clear winner.

Finally, it's frustrating how the news media, liberal talk radio pundits, and Obama bloggers continuously refer to Clinton supporters as "uneducated" (or "hillbillies," "knuckledraggers," etc.). Here are some "uneducated hillbillies" who have endorsed or said they support Clinton:

Former Cabinet officials: President Bill Clinton, Vice President Walter Mondale, Sec. of State Warren Christopher, Sec. of State Madeline Albright, Sec. of Defense William Perry, Sec. of Education Richard Riley, Sec. of Housing and Urban Development Henry Cisneros, Sec. of Commerce Mickey Kantor, Sec. of the Treasury Robert E. Rubin, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Richard Holbrooke

Retired Military: General Wesley Clark, Former Supreme Allied Commander NATO, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General John M. Shalikashvili, Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral William Owens, Assistant Sec, of Homeland Security Rear Admiral David Stone, Sec. of the Army Louis Caldera, Sec. of the Navy John H. Dalton, Sec. of the Air Force Sheila Widnall, Major General Antonio M. Taguba

U.S. Senators: Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN), Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-WA), Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-HI), Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-AR), Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA), Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ), Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-MD), Sen. Bill Nelson (D-FL), Sen. Mark Pryor (D-AR), Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY), Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-MI), Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)

Governors: Governor John Baldacci (D-ME), Governor Mike Beebe (D-AR), Governor Jon Corzine (D-NJ), Governor Jennifer Granholm (D-MI), Governor Ted Kulongoski (D-OR), Governor Martin O'Malley (D-MD), Governor Ruth Ann Minner (D-DE), Governor Ed Rendell (D-PA), Governor Eliot Spitzer (D-NY), Governor Ted Strickland (D-OH)

The media and Obama bloggers should stop insulting Clinton voters and start showing the candidate and her voters a little respect. Looking at this list of supporters, it's obvious that plenty of educated, experienced people support Clinton. It's also clear that people with serious foreign policy, national security, and federal government credentials are confident that Clinton is qualified to lead. That's experience talking. It's too bad so many people aren't listening, and instead are letting MSNBC and CNN pick the Democratic nominee.

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tennesseevaluesauthority's picture

Amen.

Amen.

bill young's picture

My view

If Obama wins Tx & Ohio its over.

Its a good news/bad news deal on the nature of the blogs.The good news is the blogs are raw real time unedited expression..the bad news is raw real time unedited expression can be offensive.

This nomination fight has stirred real emotion & its evident on Knoxviews.This was also true in the '06 US Senate campaign.Read what was said about Corker & Ford.

I am big supporter of Harold Ford & I'm here to tell you there are folks around this blog that dont think to highly of the fellow...even those that voted for him have posted they really dont like the guy.I may not always like it but I understand it

Given this is a presidential election & the historical nature of the candidates & huge the turn out its no suprise that there would be a bare knuckles fight on Knoxviews.

As far as the media's concerned..if Clinton wins Ohio & Texas..Us Obama folks will be sick of hearing..Boy its going to be real tough for Obama to go on if he cant win Pa..& it dont look to good.

In the days after Wis,nobody expected such a big win for Obama, I got the feeling the Clinton camp felt they must win Tx & Ohio to stay in.Didn't Bill say something like that?

But I'm starting here a little noise about if she just wins one she should stay in till Pa.We will see..Both are very close & Clinton's got the money for a turn out the vote ground game Tuesday.In high turn out elections ground game can be the difference between winning & losing.

With respect to Mich & Fla,it's the rule of law that the political parties can set the method of nomination.If & only if Fla & Mich are in compliance can they be seated without a ruling by the convention.Like in the '72 Cal.challenge where you stand on this depends on who you're for.

Three things can happen Tuesday

1.Clinton wins both..we keep smashing each other

2.Obama wins both..we start smashing McCain

3.Split..??????????

R. Neal's picture

3.Split..?????????? Meet me

3.Split..??????????

Meet me in Puerto Rico!

Sarge's picture

I'll tell you who deserves a

I'll tell you who deserves a little more respect and its we the voter, by expecting us to believe that because you slept with the former President for 8 years and being a U.S. Senator for a few years longer than Senator Obama, Senator Clinton has the experience from day to be POUS as opposed to Senator Obama. Voting to go to war in Iraq is the type of EXPERIENCE American can do without.

bizgrrl's picture

Voting to go to war in Iraq

Voting to go to war in Iraq is the type of EXPERIENCE American can do without.

I have never really understood why this has been a big issue with Obama people. Obama wasn't a U.S. Senator at the time. Who knows how he would have voted.

According to a New Yorker article from November 6, 2006, Obama says:

"I think what people might point to is our different assessments of the war in Iraq, although I’m always careful to say that I was not in the Senate, so perhaps the reason I thought it was such a bad idea was that I didn’t have the benefit of U.S. intelligence. And, for those who did, it might have led to a different set of choices. So that might be something that sort of is obvious. But, again, we were in different circumstances at that time: I was running for the U.S. Senate, she had to take a vote, and casting votes is always a difficult test. "

Thanks to TGW.

Obama's running for President. He'll say a lot of things contradictory to what he has said in the past. He campaigned for John Kerry who also voted for the war. There is not and cannot be a record of what he would have done in 2003 because he was not a U.S. Senator and could not put his vote on the record.

j4's picture

Hillarys war vote

I would say it is because, unlike Edwards who has unconditionally admitted it was a mistake and apologized for his vote, she hasn't really done so. Her more recent vote authorizing war in Iran doesn't help her in that respect either.

rikki's picture

I have never really

I have never really understood why this has been a big issue with Obama people

It's a big deal because the Democrats were given a mandate in 2006 to stop Bushco, and they have failed miserably. That is not Hillary Clinton's fault, but she is a better approximation of party leadership than Obama is.

Basically, Pelosi and Reid are shitty leaders who have left many Democrats feeling ignored. Obama speaks to those voters better than Clinton does. Their anger comes from watching George W. Bush pervert everything this country once stood for, and Clinton has a bit more of that shit on her shoes.

It's not fair to Clinton, but when your political system has been collapsed to a duopoly, there is going to be plenty of misplaced anger and misplaced loyalty. It's the same dynamic that allows incompetents to paint Democrats as Marxists or the profoundly religious to support war mongers. Binary choices are barely different from having no choice at all.

Sarge's picture

As a veteran of both the

As a veteran of both the Korean Conflict and the war in Nam, I feel that when you are a proponent of war, it does not matter whether you are an average citizen, a State Senator, a U.S. Senator, or a President, what matters is do you know all of the facts, or just dealing in what is popular and political expedient at the time. In other word, in the case of Iraq, did you get caught up in what happen on 9/11 and allow yourself to make bad judgement as did Senator Clinton, President Bush, etal. I've seen the result of bad judgement and can tell you it does make a difference. If you don't believe me just ask some of the families that have been effected.

j4's picture

Personally, I don’t' think

Personally, I don’t' think any of the candidates deserve our respect. But Clinton (and her followers) simultaneously playing dirty politics (Terror and Fear, Obama's 'black' church, Obama's a sleeper cell Muslim etc) and then claiming there the victim is getting old.

Of course Hillary bloggers are above all that:

(link...)

"Do these idiots ever look in the mirror? Don't they ever watch themselves singing praises to Obama 24/7 and slinging ridicule and hate at Hillary? Do they really think they don't shape public opinion? This lunatic country doesn't deserve anyone as smart and classy as Hillary Rodham Clinton."

KC's picture

Voting to go to war in Iraq

Voting to go to war in Iraq is the type of EXPERIENCE American can do without.

If Obama's slogan for the general campaign is "I won't go to war," with the implication "...no matter what!" he's setting himself up for a lot of heartache if a situation arises in his presidential term that requires the deployment of troops for combat.

Being President also includes being Commander-in-Chief. It's difficult to see how he can credibly campaign in the general if his campaign platform rests on the slogan that "I won't deploy troops," but I want to be your Commander-in-Chief.

You can argue about the strategy and the reasons stated for going to war, but the simple mantra "I won't go to war," will seem simplistic and unrealistic in the general election. That's what a lot of Obama's supporters tend to be saying, while Obama himself mentions possible intervention in Pakistan and other places in the war on terror. And that will inevitably bring up the question "Well Sen. Obama, just what would you base a decision to go to war on?"

And that's a legitimate question.

j4's picture

War

For a half century we have had no reason to go to war.And yet we did anyway. It would be nice if we had a president that wasn't so trigger happy.

rikki's picture

wee the people

For a half century we have had no reason to go to war

That depends on your definition of "we". The corporations that manufacture explosives, arms, jets, helicopters, tanks, armor and humvees always have reason to go to war. Corporations like KBR that build military installations have even more incentive.

The Bush family fortune is wrapped up in the Carlyle Group, which is essentially an international war-profiteering syndicate, and Dick Cheney is literally the personification of military-industrial fascism.

Anonymous's picture

What will be heard in the general at every Obama campaign stop

Barak Hussein Obama:
Pass Iraq from Hussein to Osama!

R. Neal's picture

Yes, but Bush already did

Yes, but Bush already did that!

Yellow Dog's picture

As someone who voted for

As someone who voted for Obama in the primary, I agree that Clinton deserves more respect and that the repeated media narratives begin to construct a certain reality, usually unfairly so. Obama himself has repeated that this race is far from over--he was quoted this week telling reporters, "Remember New Hampshire." I would also point out, though, that so-called "Obama bloggers" are also fellow Democrats. And I confess to not understanding at all the logic behind the argument that, if Clinton is winning more blue states, that makes her a more viable candidate in the general election. Is the argument that Obama won't carry the blue states if he's the Dem candidate? I personally like the idea of a candidate who at least has a shot at winning over some red or purple states (Missouri, Virginia, Ohio, Colorado) and getting some crossover or independent votes. If we stick with the blue state strategy, don't we end up with a repeat of 2000 and 2004--a close race open to Republican vote tampering? It's Gore and Kerry all over again.
MJ

R. Neal's picture

And I confess to not

And I confess to not understanding at all the logic behind the argument that, if Clinton is winning more blue states, that makes her a more viable candidate in the general election. Is the argument that Obama won't carry the blue states if he's the Dem candidate? I personally like the idea of a candidate who at least has a shot at winning over some red or purple states (Missouri, Virginia, Ohio, Colorado) and getting some crossover or independent votes.

The point I was making is that the blue states are the "real Democrats" and they see something in terms of electability, qualifications, or something that folks in the red states maybe aren't seeing. But as I said, they are safe for Obama or whoever the Democratic nominee is.

I agree completely with the rest of what you said.

Terry Troll's picture

Change

The point I was making is that the blue states are the "real Democrats" and they see something in terms of electability, qualifications, or something that folks in the red states maybe aren't seeing....
It may be that the red state moderate crossover republicans are sick of the last eight years and see Obama as a different kind of Dem and Clinton as the archtype liberal. They can vote for some change from all the acrimony and infighting without to much guilt about leaving thier party. Why is McCain winning in blue states,? Maybe same.

captainkona's picture

Respect?

Was that "respect" Hillary showed the Democratic voters (every last one of us) when she backed Lieberman against the wishes of the vast majority?

Where was the respect for our privacy and the concept of freedom when she supported the Patriot Act and the Real ID?
Where was the respect for what is right when she staunchly supported the criminal invasion of Iraq? You think respect means anything to an Iraqi that watched his child get blown to bits?

A Rovian, fear monger ad? Respect??

No one that wielded the rubber stamp for the Bush Regime is worthy of respect. No one who failed to stand up and shed apathy for activism is worthy of respect.
Especially when that apathy is intentionally applied in a self-serving, protect one's political prospects fashion. Such a public servant is worthy only of being shown the door.

Respect is a two way street and no politician is entitled to it until they earn it.

As far as insulting Clinton groupies goes, is anyone that willingly turns a blind eye to those that willingly and knowingly helped the Bushco agenda along really deserving?
Pro Clinton bloggers that for years railed against BushCo and all who supported them now flip flop and support one of those they whined about being "spineless" are deserving of respect?
Sure, the average respect you show a complete stranger on the street. Other than that, they're just hypocrites in the tradition of BushBots that refuse to see the wrong, any wrong that they're Man-God has done.

Sorry, but Democrats that have abandoned their outrage over what's been done in the last seven years in the interest of the Clinton name or a vagina in the plush leather seat in the Oval Office, have let this party down.
Thank God there's a slightly greater number of us that are true to our convictions about gov't injustice and misconduct.

When a Clinton does what a Bush does, it's still wrong.


"The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open."

Rachel's picture

but Democrats that have

but Democrats that have abandoned their outrage over what's been done in the last seven years in the interest of the Clinton name or a vagina in the plush leather seat in the Oval Office, have let this party down.
Thank God there's a slightly greater number of us that are true to our convictions about gov't injustice and misconduct.

Yup, I definitely voted for Hillary because I have no convictions except a desire to see a Clinton vagina in the Oval Office.

For pete's sakes, this is exactly the kind of stuff that's made me stop talking with Obama supporters.

And I'm not even a Hillary "supporter." I voted for her, but I was on the fence till the last minute.

I still like Obama, but you guys are doing him no favors.

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kona the mysoginistic....

And I'm not even a Hillary "supporter." I voted for her, but I was on the fence till the last minute.

That's fair enough.

So, what did Hillary offer that makes up for her constant support of the War, her support of the Real ID, her support of the Patriot Act, her no-show for the crucial SCHIP vote, her ties to citigroup, AIPAC/PNAC/DLC, the fact that she and Bill, when he was president, set Pervez Musharraf up in the "Surprise Coup" of '98 all for a nice payday from Entergy.....

Surely there was something more important than these issues that pushed you to Hillary. What was it?


"The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open."

bizgrrl's picture

Your arguments are getting

Your arguments are getting ridiculous. Backup your talking points.

The liberal internets did not even come through for Lieberman's opponent, Lamont. Will they follow-through for Obama? You're a perfect example of the "no respect" crowd. Although, from your most recent language and reasoning for supporting Obama, it appears you just don't like women.

I would suggest that the Obama team would not want you as their spokesman any more than many in the GOP want Hobbs after his ridiculous diatribe.

captainkona's picture

excuse me?

Lamont won the Connecticut Democratic Primary, because of the Liberal "Internets" (careful, you sound more like Bush every day). Did you miss that? Evidently you did.

I'll say it again, NO ONE that supports or supported the Bush agenda deserves "respect".

Do you deny that Hillary failed in her responsibility to stand up for Democratic principal concerning the war, privacy, etc?

Wanna compare voting records? I can pile facts on you all day, girlie. And you cannot refute any of them. You, like so many others, are totally in denial and only because Hillary is a woman. If she was a man you'd be harping about how she supported the Bush agenda.

Anytime you want to one-on-one debate the voting records of Hillary and Obama, just let me know.
Voting records do not lie. They just get ignored by people who don't want to consider them.


"The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open."

R. Neal's picture

And Lamont got sworn in to

And Lamont got sworn in to the U.S. Senate when?

I may have asked this before, but did you vote for Kerry in 2004? Harold Ford Jr. in 2006?

(The "girlie" remark... nice!)

captainkona's picture

:)

And Lamont got sworn in to the U.S. Senate when?

Never. That's the problem. The party picked him and Lieberbitch went Indi with the DLC right by his side. Clinton did not stand with the party, she stood with the insiders.

And I did vote for Kerry. But if this has something to do with the war vote it's moot. Kerry admitted his mistake and began challenging Bush on the war and has ever since, though admittedly, not very strongly.
Hillary has never relented on the issue and reinforced her chickenhawk position by threatening war with Iran. For political points.
When we voted for Kerry, he was anti-war and humble about his error. Hillary hasn't the strength to admit she screwed up. Or, she really does approve of Israel's-oops, Bush's war.

I wouldn't vote for a DLC Depublican pig like Ford Jr. if he was the last fake Democrat on earth.


"The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open."

Rachel's picture

You, like so many others,

You, like so many others, are totally in denial and only because Hillary is a woman. If she was a man you'd be harping about how she supported the Bush agenda.

I was just about to reply to your question above, when I read this piece of tripe. Do you really suppose every woman who voted for Hillary did so because she's female?

You insult the intelligence of bizgrrl, me, and a lot of other people with these statements. Why in the heck should we even want to have a discussion with you? And why would you even care what we "girlies" think?

I repeat, Obama supporters like you do your candidate no favors.

captainkona's picture

:)

If I didn't care what you think I wouldn't respond to you at all.

Sorry if I pose an un-PC argument, but that's what happens when you get called "woman hater", "misogynist", etc because won't vote for "The Woman".
You call someone something long enough they can become what you call them. Ever hear that one? Ladies? ;)
Want to know why I'm not tip toeing through the tulips when talking about this? Ask your friends at Guerilla Girls. They started it.

I absolutely do care what you and every other Dem Fem thinks, sometime I just wonder why you think it.


"The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open."

Pam Strickland's picture

"I can pile facts on you

"I can pile facts on you all day, girlie."

I don't know about bizgrrl, but when someone calls me "girlie" the conversation ends.

Pam Strickland

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut

captainkona's picture

:)

Do I have the right to end conversations when someone concludes that if I won't vote for Hillary that I must hate women?

Do you have any idea how pathetic an excuse that is for lacking the facts to back one's argument?

Of course I can end such a conversation. But what kind of discourse would that be?

I love all of ya, Pam. Every last one.
But my argument against the Clinton's is rock solid and steeped in fact. The argument against Obama is limited to Lapel Pins, the schools he attended, his name, and his ethnic origin.

His record is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but it's light years better than hers.
So, instead of nitpicking the vocabulary I use just to piss people off, why don't you, or anyone, tell me why it's ok for Hillary Clinton to support the Real ID? Or the war. Or the Patriot Act.


"The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open."

Pam Strickland's picture

Please, note. I was not

Please, note. I was not defending anyone. i was criticizing you. The kind of love you offer, I do not need.

Good bye.
Pam Strickland

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut

Hildegard's picture

So, instead of nitpicking

So, instead of nitpicking the vocabulary I use just to piss people off, why don't you, or anyone, tell me why it's ok for Hillary Clinton to support the Real ID? Or the war. Or the Patriot Act.

You and I agree on a lot of points re Hillary Clinton (I voted for Obama though not with any zeal or faith to speak of), but your quote answers its own question. When you talk down to girlies - hey, even if you just love all 'em dolls and kittens - "just to piss people off," that's all you do. You just piss them off to the point they no longer listen to your arguments. See, forget about respecting Hillary. If you respected women, you wouldn't talk to them like that even in jest, or "just to piss them off."

Let's use one of your arguments above, when you say something about women just wanting a vagina in the White House or Oval Office depending on how cute you were trying to be. If women used reverse language like that, "Oh, you men just want a set of balls in the White House," I would find that obnoxious and really only aimed to badger or annoy people, not to augment an argument with any verve or wit. It's just gratuitously, needlessly offensive.

bill young's picture

Hobbs

NYT today..front page story..by Neela Banerjee

"Obama walks a difficult path as he courts Jewish voters."

read it & see who gets the last word.

captainkona's picture

he's doing well...

Jewish voters are an important voting block for the party, and this country for that matter. Some of this country's most important people and finest patriots are Jews.
He has to reassure them that he will hear their issues.

Now, some of those "Jews" he's courting are Zionist Pigs. Not all, but some.
I do take issue with him rubbing elbows with the likes of Abraham Foxman, but I don't expect perfect from Obama. The chance for perfect passed with Kucinich and Edwards.

All I expect from Obama is that he apply the cool, calm resolve that he's showing during the primary to being the most powerful man in the world should he be elected, and that he represent this nation in a dignified fashion.

We can wing the rest if it means being rid of the Bush/Clinton Oligarchy, which is priority one in my eyes. After that bunch is gone, the rest will fall into place in time.


"The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open."

KC's picture

Now, some of those "Jews"

Now, some of those "Jews" he's courting are Zionist Pigs.

Mysoginist...and anti-Semitic? It's one thing to have problems with the state of Israel's foreign policy, but calling people Zionist Pigs is clearly anti-Semitic, and no matter how much you try to justify being labled a mysoginist, it looks like you're two for two.

Randy, are you going to give him three strikes?

scottfrith's picture

From Andrew Sullivan: "...If

From Andrew Sullivan:

"...If Clinton had won ten primaries or caucuses in a row, do you think the MSM would have regarded Obama as still viable? And where are their fricking tax returns? Basic transparency on tax returns is a no-brainer for a presidential candidate. And yet she still hasn't done it and has absolutely no good reason for the delay, except to avoid scrutiny of her husband's post-presidential corporate whoring."

Brian A.'s picture

Media

If Clinton had won ten primaries or caucuses in a row, do you think the MSM would have regarded Obama as still viable?

That's a good point. Yes, the media is currently giving Obama favorable treatment. By the same token, however, for more than a year it heralded Clinton as the front-runner, the presumptive nominee.

So now the tables have turned. It's Obama that is the front-runner. I think it unfortunate that the media feels compelled edit the election narrative, but that's the way it is.

At any rate, I'm not shedding any tears for Clinton, given the previous months of hype she enjoyed, and would continue to enjoy, had she not lost ten in a row.

Brian A.
I'd rather be cycling.

Mykhailo's picture

Wow. Link... I mean, wow.

Wow.

(link...)

I mean, wow. Seriously. How could her campaign not see this question coming?

Goodbye, Hillary.

rikki's picture

Goodbye, Hillary You're

Goodbye, Hillary

You're writing off Hillary because of a short pause on a conference call in which she was not participating? That's more retarded than abandoning Howard Dean because he made a funny noise.

Bbeanster's picture

Um, I don't think

Um, I don't think 'abandoning' is the right word, since it doesn't appear that he supported her in the first place.

And reality being what it is, Dean did screw himself with the funny noise, sad to say.

And it *is* a pretty funny clip, given the big deal Hillary made of some obscure Texas state senator's deer-in-the-headlights moment when asked an almost identical question. How COULD the overpaid geniuses running her campaign not have been prepared for this? Evidently doughnuts are not brain food.

Mykhailo's picture

It's not a short pause. They

It's not a short pause. They obviously had no idea that they were going to be asked this completely predictable question, and they blow it in a horrifyingly awful way.

I'm not saying it's fair that Hillary's going to be jumped all over for this. But you just can't win when your is campaign run by people who are that bad.

Salamantis's picture

Deja Vu

It reminds me of the Obama campaign spokesman who, when pressed by Chris Matthews, could not name a single thing that Obama had achieved in either the Illinois legislature or the US Senate.

Mykhailo's picture

It reminds me of the Obama

It reminds me of the Obama campaign spokesman

Other than Obama not providing that guy millions of dollars to run his entire PR effort, yeah, it's pretty much the same.

Thomass's picture

Bummer

"continuously refer to Clinton supporters as "uneducated" (or "hillbillies," "knuckledraggers," etc.)."

heh, Clinton's being treated like a republican by the vast progressive conspiracy. Delicious on so many levels.

Chester White's picture

Insults from Obama supporters

"Finally, it's frustrating how the news media, liberal talk radio pundits, and Obama bloggers continuously refer to Clinton supporters as "uneducated" (or "hillbillies," "knuckledraggers," etc.)."

Well, now those Clinton supporters get to experience a minute fraction of what we conservatives and Republicans have been wading through every day for 30 g.d. years.

Welcome to the party, pal!

bill young's picture

ohio

the way they count votes in ohio

we may know the winner in Pa.

before we know the winner in ohio

rgaye's picture

letting MSNBC and CNN pick

letting MSNBC and CNN pick the Democratic nominee.

There is nothing new in this. The media has been picking the frontrunner (presumptive nominee) early on for the last 2-3 decades, just as they have had large influence on the general by calling states so early that people wondered 'Why should I bother to go to the trouble to vote? It's a done deal.'.

Can't remember the last time I voted in a primary and the nominee wasn't already decided because everyone else had dropped out. The media said it was over after New Hampshire or South Carolina and their funding dried up. I'd agree they should butt the hell out. The only thing different this time is there is actually a horse race through out the primary cycle for Dems.

Factchecker's picture

Welcome to the party, pal!

Well, now those Clinton supporters get to experience a minute fraction of what we conservatives and Republicans have been wading through every day for 30 g.d. years.

Except in the latter case, it was oftentimes deserved (see support of W the rPezinent and shielding W from responsibility of 9/11 and the Iraq war, for some quick recent examples).

And a little bit of name-calling from the peanut gallery hardly counterbalances the GOP Mighty Wurlitzer in name-calling and smears against the left over the last 35 years.

Taylor Apeface's picture

"Finally, it's frustrating

"Finally, it's frustrating how the news media, liberal talk radio pundits, and Obama bloggers continuously refer to Clinton supporters as "uneducated" (or "hillbillies," "knuckledraggers," etc.)."

No one is doing or has done that. It's not possible to even think of that, it's absurd and made up out of thin air.

StaceyDiamond's picture

respect

I too think Hillary deserves more respect.

Amos's picture

Agreed. So here's a

Agreed. So here's a question: will you guys have the same sense of fair play when the media (finally) turns on John McCain and tries to lean the election toward The Obama?

CathyMcCaughan's picture

No. I will not.

No. I will not.

Rachel's picture

will you guys have the same

will you guys have the same sense of fair play when the media (finally) turns on John McCain and tries to lean the election toward The Obama?

I'm not convinced that will happen. The press loves St. John.

But I will say that I think media bias has played too large a role in national politics in recent years, and I want them to cut it out. Period.

rocketsquirrel's picture

Yeah, I think Obama deserves

Yeah, I think Obama deserves more respect too.

Hillary was way out of line in a national debate asking if he was comfortable and whether he needed a pillow. But that didn't "frustrate" me, as a former Edwards supporter now leaning to Obama. I just took it with a grain of salt. That was, in fact, beneath her, and bad advice from one of her attack dog advisers (Mark Penn, whose firm also has McCain as a client.)

Obama supporters need to be fair, as do Hillary supporters. For Hillary supporters to push the "victim" meme--that is beneath their candidate. Hillary is not a victim. She's not being persecuted. She is quite strong in her own right. Too strong, sometimes.

Let the voters decide. And then let's get united behind the Democratic nominee and get this thing to November. Our country is in more distress than any GOP'er will ever be willing to admit.

Our military is stretched to the absolute limit, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, and our attorney general is refusing to enforce Congressional subpoenas. And the GOP only promises more of the same. They our breaking the very principles of this great nation and spending the government into oblivion. There is no fiscal conservatism left in the GOP, and Democrats can and have shown a better way.

And Rachel, the ONLY way we reduce the influence of media bias is to turn out voters. That's the only way. Shock the pundits with our own influence.

Amos's picture

Agreed. So here's a

Agreed. So here's a question: will you guys have the same sense of fair play when the media (finally) turns on John McCain and tries to lean the election toward The Obama?

ma am's picture

You mean the warmongering media that sold us on Iraq?

The media will control it, just not in the way that you think. Remember, it was the media who sold Iraq to us, they did W's dirty work. They dig war! And they dig McCain! If Obama becomes the nominee, they will instantly turn on him. Fear is their weapon.

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