Wed
Feb 27 2008
07:07 pm

In case you missed all the excitement today...

Pam Strickland's picture

You know, there are several

You know, there are several members of my family who regularly refer to me by my full given name, but outside of my family I've never used it regularly and no one uses it.

The examples that were given -- Nixon and HRC -- are appropriate. Both of them regularly use(d) the full name. Notice that he did use Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton b/c that's not what she uses. Personally, it irritates me that so many national journalists have dropped Rodham from HRC's name. When I used it Arkansas, it occasionally got some eyebrows b/c HRC did not initially change her name when she married. And some of my readers saw me as some wacky feminist, but when I pointed out that Hillary Rodham Clinton was what she had on her letterhead at the law firm, they lived with it.

Some of the examples used by the radio guy that McCain straightened out yesterday where of people who regularly used their full name -- Dwight David Eisenhower, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Franklin Delano Roosevelt. I would challenge him to tell me George Washington's middle name, or Abraham Lincoln's.

He pulled out William Jefferson Clinton, but failed to note that BC only used that as a signature and for special records. He was, and is, just plain ole Bill.

Barak Obama does not use his full name. That's his choice. My Aunt Nadine doesn't either -- her first name is Gladys. That's her choice. I think the appropriate thing is to respect that choice. After all, a person's name is one of the most valuable parts of their identity.

Pam Strickland

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut

sherrie's picture

middle names

My grandfather was such a Wilson supporter that he gave my mother Woodrow as her middle name. My mom hated it. I wonder why. Sherrie

Rachel's picture

I have a first cousin named

I have a first cousin named Winfield after Winfield Dunn. Seriously.

bill young's picture

luv it

state gop chair in a fight with gop presidential nominee

this puts a wedge between the right & mccain

this puts a wedge between east tn lincoln republicans
& the state party

this puts tn in play for democratic presidential nominee

anybody got any gas to put on this fire?

Pam Strickland's picture

Ok, I'm over my little snit

Ok, I'm over my little snit about full names.

But bill young has a point. How do we take advantage of this?

Pam Strickland

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut

Sarge's picture

Its a NON-ISSUE the state of

Its a NON-ISSUE the state of Tennessee will vote Republican just like it did when they chose Bush over Gore, subsequently the voters of this state are totally responsible for all of the good, bad and ugly that resulted from this horrendous mistake. Tn voters apparently vote on wedge issues rather than what is good for them and the United States of America.

Andy Axel's picture

How? Hell, let Hobbs keep

How? Hell, let Hobbs keep working at the TNGOP. We don't need to work against him. He's already doing a competent job in that regard.

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Justin's picture

Didn't Hobbs learn that

Didn't Hobbs learn that putting things on the 'internets' can work against him? (Link to Hobbs clever picture he drew during the cartoon controversy and the story/fallout that occurred)

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Andy Axel's picture

Tn voters apparently vote on

Tn voters apparently vote on wedge issues rather than what is good for them and the United States of America.

And that explains consecutive majorities in TN for the Democratic candidate in 1992 and 1996, um, how?

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With the possible exception of things like box scores, race results, and stock market tabulations, there is no such thing as Objective Journalism. The phrase itself is a pompous contradiction in terms.

WhitesCreek's picture

Wait until Tennessee voters

Wait until Tennessee voters find out that Obama has fathered TWO black babies!

captainkona's picture

:D

He's Black???????!!!!!!!

LOL

If someone wanted an argument against the faith based idea that God created man in his image, Hobbs would be perfect.

Something must have been lost in translation.


"The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open."

rocketsquirrel's picture

humor noted, but for the

humor noted, but for the record, Obama is not black. He has an unusual and interesting background, one that can unite this country. His father was Kenyan and black, his mother American and white.

I would hesitate to label him, because as Pam pointed out from the name perspective, it is one's choice as to how they self-identify. But we are increasingly a multi-ethnic culture. One of my family members married a good Presbyterian...from Lebanon. He is Arabic. Another married a good Christian girl...Korean. My grandfather worked for USAID in the 1950s, and raised his family for seven years in Tehran, Iran. Some of us learned about diversity and tolerance (I hate that word...even acceptance isn't strong enough) from within our own families.

I know someone from the whitest of white families in east Tennessee. A family member married a black woman, and they have two beautiful, bi-racial children. In yes, east Tennessee. Times, they are a changing.

While many good, but timid, Dems maintain this nagging fear that an African American (truly he his, in every sense of that phrase) can't go all the way to the White House, I would argue that he can and will. I've heard these comments, this hesitance among my own friends and associates.

But this may be the time in our history where we can settle some matters of race in this country. Obama may be the perfect racially teflon candidate. The attacks, like the TN GOP's earlier this week, are falling short, and making him stronger and more popular. Politico: Insults, Apologies Fuel Obama's Rise.

Without being blue sky, yes, I know there are still racist voters. But I contend there are more of us: Those who can look past race and gender and change this country. It's simple: people largely reject hate.

I hope all Democrats, Independents, and Republicans will look past race and consider a great candidate who represents more than change: He represents us.

Pam Strickland's picture

My family is more white than

My family is more white than not. We do have a large amount of Cherokee in us, which kept some of my cousins from being bused during deseg days of Louisville.

Anyway, one of my cousin's who lives in California has a daughter who married a black man. They have three beautiful children who are charming and well mannered, not to mention talented and funny. Anyway, I went to visit last year, after the trip when I was showing pictures to another family member and would say of each cafe au lait skin toned child, "This is D's grandson" one family member kept raising his eyebrows. Finally he said, "What nationality is their father?"

"American," I said.

The questioner got very quiet.

Pam Strickland

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut

WhitesCreek's picture

Actually...

for the record, Obama is not black.

Obama covers this in his first book. He chose to be considered black.

I think Obama looks like America.

JaHu's picture

"He has an unusual and

"He has an unusual and interesting background, one that can unite this country. His father was Kenyan and black, his mother American and white."

Great point, I think more media attention should be given to this. He is the one candidate who can truly represent the majority of people in this country. But... if he were a woman, he could really represent everybody.

Adrift in the Sea of Humility

Sarge's picture

Robin Smith is wasting her

Robin Smith is wasting her obvious gift for dispensing sleaze, she should be an operative for the National GOP or the CCC.

Andy Axel's picture

She should work for a 527.

She should work for a 527. I think that's the message that she's been getting from Mike Duncan's crew.

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With the possible exception of things like box scores, race results, and stock market tabulations, there is no such thing as Objective Journalism. The phrase itself is a pompous contradiction in terms.

gttim's picture

Dammit! I missed! I missed

Dammit! I missed it! I missed making fun of my favorite wingnut! Man, life isn't fair! I need to check in more often.

Andy Axel's picture

Dammit! I missed it! I

Dammit! I missed it! I missed making fun of my favorite wingnut! Man, life isn't fair! I need to check in more often.

Check in where? Your favorite ratf*cker and his massive, unchecked ego is making the news from Ann Arbor to Adelaide.

It's Leap Day, by the way. If he quits today, we'll only get to celebrate once every four years.

C'mon, Bill - hang in there!!!

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With the possible exception of things like box scores, race results, and stock market tabulations, there is no such thing as Objective Journalism. The phrase itself is a pompous contradiction in terms.

gttim's picture

I only saw the ruckus linked

I only saw the ruckus linked to by TBogg, whose blog I also never read anymore. If it doesn't make Digg or Salon, it doesn't really happen, does it? I'm sure Bill took a spanking, because doesn't he always? I can't tell if he is more wingnut or more stupid. He is pushing 11 on both cases most likely.

Rachel's picture

I only saw the ruckus linked

I only saw the ruckus linked to by TBogg

It made TPM, Kos, and Kevin Drum. MSNBC, NBC, and CNN (that I saw). In other words, quite a ruckus.

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