Recently Obama's church has started making the news. Are they making much to do about nothing or, could this derail his campaign once it hits mainstream?
From the website...
"We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.
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No weirder than white evangelical churches
The black church has always had a liberatory component to it. Not a single AME or black Baptist church in America would reject this statement. So they don't use the church for the purpose of bashing gay people and instead seeking social justice for its members. That's radical? No, that's Christianity.
What, no Muslim smear?
Proud, black Christians. Yeah, that's pretty scandalous.
Transparent
Thanks for the post Senator Corker. Can you find out from former President Clinton if the Rev. Jesse Jackson preaches there?
I hope if "this" congregation actually gets a president they don't actually do anything to help their "native land". We know the people in Darfur or the Sudan don't need any attention.
Give me a break.
Don't blame the messenger
Don't blame the messenger here. I don't think airrn is endorsing these accusations -- just asking what effect they might have.
I think they've already affected a segment of the population, albeit this segment is unlikely to have been planning to vote for Obama (or Hillary) anyhow.
On election day, I ran into two neighbors -- both women -- as I was walking into the polling place, and we chit-chatted a little bit about the election.
"Who'dja vote for? I asked, thinking about the local elections.
"Not that Osama," one of them said, and they both giggled.
"Osama?" I asked.
Yeah, they said.
I told them I was strong for Obama, and one of them stepped back, as if I'd taken a swing at her.
"Do you know what his middle name is?" she asked.
I told them that was pretty damn dumb.
"Not since 9/11," one of them said.
I asked who they voted for and they both said "Mitt Romney."
I asked why, and one of them said "Because he's good-lookin.' " They both laughed.
Feeling badly because I'd pretty much called them stupid, I tried to change the focus to local elections and asked what they thought of Scooby Moore.
"Who?"
"You know, Scott Moore the County Commission chairman -- he's running for Clerk."
"Who?"
Anyhow, bottomline is, I realized why I spend so much time online instead of talking politics with the nabes.
I doubt that stuff like this is going to take any votes away from Obama. People who are influenced by this crap are not going to vote for a Democrat.
OTOH, I've been very pleasantly surprised at the number of my Republican friends who tell me they are thinking hard about voting for Obama, whom they believe is a paradigm changer. A lot of them are just Hillary haters and will change their minds, but a few of them may actually stick. A developer friend of mine told me this morning that his wife is an Obama supporter.
Never underestimate the importance of the superficial:
How many people voted Kennedy in 1960 because he looked better in a televised debate than Nixon and his five o'clock shadow? I recall JFK won by the skin of his teeth.
I'm not saying you or I have to like or agree with it, but the American electorate does strange things for strange reasons. Woe be the candidate who isn't charming, affable, likeable, good looking, tall, funny, or some other group of adjectives used to describe people we'd love to have as our pals.
For example, if the local Democratic Party ran an entire slate of attractive young women like Vandergriff and Piper, old Hornback might change his allegience. Btw, I want extra credit for not playing word games with the first syllable of Brian's last name in this post.
betty
did these folks vote in the Democratic primary?
did these folks vote in the
Obviously not, Bill, since they voted for Romney -- and that was, in part, my point when i said
"I doubt that stuff like this is going to take any votes away from Obama. People who are influenced by this crap are not going to vote for a Democrat."
dumbass me
no shit...i oughta read a little closer before i write.
those damn 9am beerz sure cloud thangs
Can you tell me what
Can you tell me what Sen. Obama has done to sway your vote in his dirrection? What inovative piece of legislation? Don't feel bad
most can't. The fact is most vote for Obama for the reasons your knocking these ladies. We live in a pop culture dumbed down society,
keep them entertained and keep them fed.
already gone around
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Vote Obama
One of the voters I registered ask me about Obama & religion & pledgeing to the flag & so forth.
The voter's grandmother had heard about these e mails @ church.
The voter voted Obama
At least it puts the
At least it puts the "Muslim" rumors to rest.
Just look for the "W"
Just look for the "W" stickers that will tell you all you need to know. :)
Yeah please no more
Yeah please no more Retardicans in office!!!!!
I think some of the outrage
I think some of the outrage is a part that is no longer listed. You can see it if you search the archives ((link...)). It appears to have been removed on March 29. I think the concern was if you substituted WHITE for BLACK, then the person would be considered a racist.
I just wanted to fill in information that the church has removed from its site that I think was what most people were previously talking about.
Craig Thomas
blog.craigdthomas.com
That's an argument worthy of
That's an argument worthy of Stacey X and David Duke.
Anyone who tries to dismiss the historical role of the black church in the centuries-long battle with institution al racism is willfully stupid or has his/her own agenda.
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Local racism
I found this and can't do an FPP but wanted to share. It's kind of "racism from the other side" for sure, not like that cdthomas23 tripe above.
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"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Hunter S. Thompson
Just to clear up what I said
Just to clear up what I said, at no point did I say I agreed or disagreed. I just filled in extra facts that had been removed from the website and the complaints people were making.
Craig Thomas
blog.craigdthomas.com
So you say Obama supporters
So you say Obama supporters are products of a "pop culture dumbed down society"?
Given the rest of your post, that's like being called ugly by an ape. If you get my 'dirrection.'
Sure I get your
Sure I get your dirrection... if someone has another point of view call them a racist. No sense letting truth interfer w/ ones predjuduce. Lets not go back to 1968 for the sake of "change". Most have grown way past that. The black vote @ 9% in some states didn't push Obama over the top. White voters did. Maybe the mirror needs to be the place to find racism. Let's grow up fellow American!
Why is it if a white church
Why is it if a white church had the same critera as Obama's church, it would be labelled racist and probably dismantled, yet a black church gets the green light....I'm so tired of this double standard in America where black exclusivity is deemed a good trait while white exclusivity is a crime...
Quite frankly, any organization pledging allegiance to a country other than the one they are a citizen of should MOVE TO THAT COUNTRY!!
I understand that church does have a few white members...
In a lot of churches the pastor/founder controls things and decides how the church is run.That's true of Hagee's church and was true of Fallwell's church, Pat Roberson's church and a lot of churches. Obama doesn't run that church.He doesn't decide how it operates or what it says.
So in my view it's republican red herring.
Obama doesn't run that
Obama doesn't run that church.He doesn't decide how it operates or what it says.
What a bunch of garbage. He chose to go there for twenty years, chose to get married there, and chose to have his children baptized there.
He could have walked out, joined another church, joined no church, and left the church at any time. He chose to stay.
He had Rev. Wright on a campaign advisory committee. His book title was the title of one of Rev. Wright's sermons.
Obama claims to be a Christian. That's fine. But the Christians I know get guidance from somewhere, mainly their church.
So it's a legitimate question: As a Christian, where does Obama get his guidance from? His church? Somewhere, or something else?
The same people who are outraged by any Republican's association with the Bob Jones University or Liberty Baptist, turn their heads when the politician is a leftie.
But the Christians I know
And there in a nutshell is the problem. One would think that someone claiming to be a Christian would get guidance from the teachings of the Christ. Instead, people who are quite capable of reading and who have demonstrated their ability to grasp complicated concepts, get someone else to read biblical teachings and interpret them.
There are many reasons to go or not go to a specific church or church in general. Some folks draw their energy and meditative focus from the choir, some from the space, some from the congregants and some from the pastor. I strongly suspect that you have no fucking idea of why Obama chose that church or what specifically he gets from it. It looks to me like you are talking shit and wasting bandwidth. I'm sure that Obama has valid flaws, as do the other candidates, as do you and I. However, if you hold anyone to the standard of being responsible for the flaws of others who they hold no leadership position over, all will come up short.
But then, truth and reality aren't what you find interesting and useful are they?
CAFKIA
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This whole Obama church thing is ugly and unhelpful
Nobody profits by this kind of circus atmosphere.
As Beanster so wisely said, "Anyone who tries to dismiss the historical role of the black church in the centuries-long battle with institutional racism is willfully stupid or has his/her own agenda."
There's a cultural context to this. Rev. Wright's energetic rhetoric was over-the-top and certainly not sensitive, especially in the wake of 9/11. But it wasn't what he said really. Plenty of white people with contolled voices and academic language pretty much blamed America's swaggering disregard towards Muslims for the evil hatred that grew in Osama bin Laden's heart.
Rev. Wright's entire religious profession should not (and cannot), as his predecessor put it, "be summed up in a couple of 60 second sound bytes". The man has been honored for decades for his work within the black community. I'm sure he has brought many people to Jesus, and he promotes family values.
Barack Obama had it right when he said that Rev. Wright's generation grew up under somewhat different circumstances. The Jim Crow era was shameful and those men saw many atrocities. They fought hard trying to get the community to where it is today. To expect them to have no residual anger and outrage is unrealistic.
Veteran's of all wars deserve to be respected. Dr. Wright fought two wars, one as a Marine and the other as a civil rights leader. Is it any wonder Obama respects his ex-minister even when his sermons reflect anger about the past and concern about the current problems facing African Americans today?
Barack Obama is a gentle, even-tempered man with a social conscience that transcends color. He loves America and has struggled hard to serve her in the political arena. If Rev. Wright helped shape and transform him, as Obama passionately insists he did, then I guess that speaks volumes.
It's good enough for me.