Ohio

In'76 Carter clinched the nomination by winning.

But in '84 Hart's upset win gave him new life.

Which will it be in '08?

Texas

Clinton won NH

They had been there since '92

The Clintons..Then boyfriend/girlfriend

Ran the McGovern campaign in Texas.

Think about this way..how many people that hung around the McGovern campaign,in Tn,voted Tuesday?

I did @ Walters State.

The Clintons got some folks helpin her in the lone star state thats known her 36 yrs.

Thats a hard core organization that will work the Texas 2 step.

Clinton pulls a Hart upset in Ohio..her old time friends in Texas win a nail biter

Round & round it goes

Hillary and her husband and their political advisors never envisioned B. Obama having anything more than a pulse after Super Tuesday, instead they were of the opinion he would have been done gone and they would use Texas and Ohio to squeeze the last few dollars out of the Edwards campaign and finally flatten his chances.

Something happened along the way and the Obama message got real traction, the Clinton message was understood by party newcomers and party purists to be the same old Clinton message which is bad for the every day Democrats and thus became bad for the Democratic Party leaders, which have supported Hillary and her husband, allowing them to spool up several million dollars after they left the White House.

Not only will Hillary fail miserably in Texas and possibly in Ohio, but her campaign will become the cesspool of political gamesmanship, gotcha, inuendo, and will continue to list toward the balance of the primary calendar, with no money, no message, and no realistic chance of being relevant in national politics ever again.

Real political power is taken from those who hold it and Hillary has been taken.

Go Obama.

Interesting (though not necessarily unbiased) analysis.

I've watched the self-described "best" political analysts ever on TV discussing the Texas primary, and none of them has ever mentioned the delegates being selected by primary and caucus.

Interesting.

Brian A.
I'd rather be cycling.

then again she may get this thing to the convention

win mich & fla floor fight

clinton-strickland ticket

no not the chairman

the governor of ohio..who is for her

All the cable networks are all Obama all the time and talking about him as if. (Except for a brief intermission of contrition at MSNBC following the pimp-cident.)

It would appear then, at least listening to the wobbly heads, that super delegates are Clinton's only hope. And this will create more controversy and division in the ranks. And the MI/FL situation is still lurking with the potential for even more bad blood.

What a cluster f**k for the Clintons. But never count a Clinton out...

It was (contrary to what I would have said a year ago) Clinton's time and she would have been a lock. Then Obama showed up on the scene.

As some bubble head said this AM, it's like Butch and Sundance hunkered down behind a rock, looking out over the prairie at their pursuers, saying "who ARE those guys?"

Anyway, it would have been nice if Obama had waited his turn and gotten a little more experience under his belt. Then we could have had 16 years of a Democrat in the White House. Now it looks like we will be lucky to get four.

But I'll vote for the guy if I have to, even though I don't have a lot of confidence in his leadership abilities and I'm not sure I trust him to be a "real Democrat" when the chips are down. (EDIT: And save your keystrokes, I know many feel the same way about Clinton.)

On the other hand, never count a Clinton out...

P.S. Who wants to bet how many times either candidate, once nominated, will actually visit Tennessee during the campaign? I will put the over/under at one, if we're lucky.

Obama has already said

And what Obama wants, Obama gets?

Sounds like you're already alluding to wrong-doing.

The presidential primary has been around for nearly a century.
But until 1976 only two mattered..the West Virginia Democratic primary of 1960 elected a president & the Wisconsin Democratic primary of 1968 defeated one.

In '72 the Democrats built the primary road to nomination..the Republicans followed in '76.Oddly,those are the only two that there was any doubt of the nominee @ the convention.

Could happen this time & like the thread said..it's Texas & Ohio & Clinton's gotta at least get a split decision.

But..NEVER in the last 36 years of primary politics has anybody had the big MO at halftime & lost.

Late in the primary season of '76,Ronnie Reagan got hot,got close but didnt make it & others have bucked the trend as the clock was winding down..Jerry Brown,Gary Hart & Ted Kennedy come to mind.

On the other hand,nobodys been this close,this late, with ole mo going the other way.

So Clinton can not be counted out.Super delegates are going to hang for a while..Could beat the expectation game in Wisconsin & 40% would look mighty good right now..45% would be a win..no joke.

Clintons out if she loses both..no matter how close.
Super delegates would stampede Obama.

If it's a split decision..maybe.

The delegate count would still be close.

Fla & Mich would still be in question.Do you believe uncommitted super delegates are against seating Fla & Mich.which means it aint 2025 to win..its higher & Pa looms all by itself in April.

Have the Clintons ever lost anything in Ohio?
4-0

CNN exit polls..Clinton latino vote..Cal-71%,NM-65%,Nev-64%,Ari-60%..even in Obama's home state of Ill..Clinton won 51% of latino vote.Texas has a huge latino vote.

Keep this in mind about Ohio...Its as if Belle Morris(16-S)was a state..the vote @ 16-S...Clinton-52%..Obama-39%

Tax returns? Where are all the HRC supporters' comments about then candidate Corker releasing his complete returns two years back (you'll recall the gripe was he released the basic returns without schedules)? Will Hill disclose?

Wasn't that when he was the Republican candidate in the general election?

And, you all accuse me of making excuses for Republican candidates(?). It appears Democrats make excuses when it serves candidates they support. So, it's ok that she keep her finances a secret because she's only running for Democratic nomination?

And yes, some Republicans were asking for Sen. Corker's returns during the primary.

Obama-48%
Clinton-42%

latinio
Clinton-44%
Obama-42%

2 new texas polls
54-38 Clinton
48-41 Clinton

new wisconsin poll
49-43 clinton

The phrase "Vote Twice" is making the rounds here in Texas, especailly in the media. Elrod even uses it in his blog post.

The problem with the phrase is that is can easily be misunderstood. Obviously, motiviated Democrats should vote in the primary and then show up after the polls close to stand for their candidate. But this is not "voting" in the traditional sense. At least in Harris County, where Houston is, county officials are concerned that the phrase will be misinterpreted. Perhaps people will believe they can vote in both the Republican and Democratic primaries (which is illegal) or literaly vote twice in the same primary (also illegal).

I know this is really about semantics, but you need to be more specific about what what "vote twice" means and attempt to avoid using this phrase altogether.