If County Commission decides to simply appoint the high vote getter with no regard for party:
Sam McKenzie
Amy Broyles
Ruthie Kuhlman (by 77 votes over Saunders)
Steve Drevik
Richard Briggs
Brad Anders
Dave Wright
Vernon Rose
There is no bias for any particular person because there is no choice. Of course, it would have been better to decide such a thing BEFORE the results came in, but it is still an objective way to resolve the situation. Voters would have a chance in August to overrule or affirm the appointments.
I'm not sure I endorse this idea, but it is worth floating, like a witch. It could be preferable for commission to ban anyone still on the ballot from consideration. They might want to rule out anyone who weighs more than a duck, but they really ought to set the rules before the game.
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It's going to be hard to
It's going to be hard to appoint the high vote getter when so many candidates have said the would not accept the appointment.
I know at least Amy Broyles has said she won't accept an appointment. Chuch Williams in the 2nd district has officially thrown his name in the ring.
Why didn't they set process before Feb meeting???
Commissioners really should have established the process they would follow in making appointments at that same November meeting when they decided to postpone appointments until after the primary.
Since they didn't establish that process in December or January, either, what happens when they sit down this month lacking any agreement as to how they'll approach the task? (I think we know--high potential for chaos again.)
Also, if they do choose at this month's meeting to follow the process you suggest, Rikki, doesn't that mean that they won't know until they're in that meeting whether their first-choice appointee will accept the appointment? (If they'd set that process already, they could have just let the commission office staff phone potential appointees after the primary to ask them if they'd serve.)
Remember that fiasco of their appointing Tommy Shumpert to the Ethics Committee without asking him first if he'd serve (and he declined after being appointed)? Seems like there's a strong possibility that something like that could happen again this month! Sheesh...
ask them if they'd
ask them if they'd serve
Anyone who put themselves on the ballot is willing to serve.
A uniform selection process means no nominations, no lobbying, no disputes, no 6-5 votes, no horse trading, no bathroom breaks, no bullshit. A candidate who refuses to serve under those conditions is creating a problem, not avoiding one.
CBT, I'm not necessarily talking about the fee offices, but your objections just underscore why the rules ideally should have been set months ago. Those offices are different because they are executive branch positions with staff, bosses, etc, so they ought to be considered separately. Those offices might be best served by caretakers who agree not to make any changes during their few months of service. The legislative seats are not as problematic. Of course, it is critical that commission deliberate and resolve whether the fee offices will be appointed by the 11-member body or the post-appointment 19-member body.
In any case, a uniform method is something of a peace treaty, and I would hope candidates who have pledged not to be involved in a contentious appointment process would assent to a peaceful process.
Here is the slate of highest vote getters not on the August ballot:
Pete Drew
Cortney Piper
Elaine Davis
Jim Smelcher
John Schoonmaker
Matthew Jones
Gailen Porter
Tim Greene
What is it worth to adopt a process that avoids all the ugliness we saw last January?
DAVE WRIGHT SHOULD STEP UP
I am in the 8th district and I'm hearing our man Dave Wright don't want to be appointed but wants to wait until Sept. Although he did not win by the majority vote of the people, none the less he has been elected according to the election rules of Knox County and it would make the whole process more simple if he would assume the post now.
Come on Dave - your county needs you - step up to the plate and put your actions where your mouth has been - let's see some of that integrity. Or are you afraid? Don't worry, you can always call John Mills, Philly will hold your hand and I bet ole' Jacky H or Steve H will pray for you and help you with any decision that needs to be made. You might as well grin and bear it now - it won't be any easier FOR YOU in Sept. Let's see some GUTS!
That would make sense if we
That would make sense if we were allowed to mix up our ballots, but picking up a party ballot denied voters a choice in a lot of races.
Level the field, or not?
Rikki: "It could be preferable for commission to ban anyone still on the ballot from consideration."
Personally, I think it's key that they do this. We should remember that "thwarting the value of incumbancy" is what that term limits battle was all about.
What irony, then, that we might give that same advantage to some candidates in this ongoing election, when the only reason the vacancies exist (and the election was needed) is due to strong voter support for "leveling the playing field!"
We voters gotta decide what it is that we want!
it dawns... I think one
it dawns...
I think one reason Scoobie resigned as chair the other day is that it finally dawned on him that he had not a clue as to how to manage this new appointment process. There has been no planning...they just kicked the can down the street until after the primary.
I'm hoping we can find willing citizen servants who have the 20-30+ hours a month between now and August who would be willing to take on an appointment. These folks will likely have to vote on the budget come July/August.
I think the top vote getters, rightly, are focused on getting elected--not on getting appointed.
I would hate to see any previous appointees show back up and think they should get an appointment.
I wish someone of the caliber of Paul Kelly or Carlene Malone would consider an appointment for the 2nd district. We need to bring the community together. It's not just WHAT we do. It's HOW we do it.
I said from the beginning
I said from the beginning that waiting 'til after the primary was not only shirking the obligation to make the appointments, but also makes things more confusing.
Sisk gets 32%. Should Bratton get appointed? Do either of these candidates want the appointment? Would Commission put Bratton in as Sisk's boss between now and election day?
How about Vandergriff v. Arnett? Arnett doesn't want it, I don't think (am I right there?). So, does Commission put Vandergriff in as Stooksbury's boss? Ironic, isn't it? How about my cuz Billy? Can he be a caretaker? Would Commission make the same appointment as before?
It's just as confusing when you have winners for Commission who appear to be strong choices, but they don't want the appointment. Will caretakers be effective given they have a short time and will not have to answer to voters (or much of anyone for that matter)? My guess is nothing much gets accomplished on Commission.
The saga continues.
And, Billy isn't really my cuzin, at least as far as I know.
None of the candidates wants
None of the candidates wants to be part of an ethically dubious appointment process, but if commission can find a clean method for filling the seats, candidates ought to reconsider their stand. A consistent, uniform method would preclude all the lobbying, endorsements, rejections and potential ugliness.
Selecting the highest vote getter not on the August ballot would accomplish the same thing: a quick, clean process. With a uniform rule dictating who gets appointed, refusing that appointment becomes a stand that creates controversy instead of avoiding it.
In any case, the basic point is the same one I've been arguing since before Black Wednesday: fair ground rules! It's too late for a pure solution since this process has been so mismanaged, but given where we are, a simple and uniform method has a certain amount of appeal as a way to defuse tension.
Process
Did I miss something? They have a process.
They take applications, hold hearings, then vote.
Had they done this initially, we'd be talking about Ragsdale's incompentence rather than County Commission's.
Sandra, I didn't say there
Sandra, I didn't say there wasn't a process. I said Scoobie didn't know how to manage the process. How you manage that and restore the public's confidence that the votes weren't just fixed like before--that was beyond the smirking scoobmeister's capability. It's not just important to be fair--it's important to appear fair.
Some legislative bodies even put the "appearance of fairness doctrine" into law. not a bad idea.
Where, exactly, would you
Where, exactly, would you get one of these applications? Can't seem to find any info on this process from the county website...
No justification
I see NO justification for selecting people that voters just rejected.
I'm tempted to say (at the risk of sounding like the one who won't be mentioned) that only liberals think second place is worth something. -- s.
I see NO justification for
I see NO justification for selecting people that voters just rejected.
I can't tell whether you are advocating selection of primary winners or removing from consideration anyone who was on the Feb ballot but will not be on the Aug ballot. Smug, obstructionist remarks typically mask an underlying incoherence, so maybe you can tell us what you advocate instead of what you reject.
Taking applications, holding hearings and voting IS a process, but so is dropping all the applicants off the Sunsphere and appointing the one who bounces highest. Do you think there are adequate ground rules in place for a satisfactory appointment process, or do you see the need to make certain decisions ahead of time? Perhaps you are hoping for the messiest appointments possible and a few more months of newspaper-selling controversy?
No app, just resume
mbradley: "Where, exactly, would you get one of these applications?"
I just phoned the commission office with this question. Star says there is no application, that interested parties should just forward their resumes to them at commission@knoxcounty.org.
Rikki, Rikki
I just don't see a reason to change what state law requires for appointments just because we have a bunch of them.
Take applications, let folks speak, debate openly among elected commissioners, vote for interim appointees, move on. -- s.
state-mandated incoherence
Take applications, let folks speak, debate openly among elected commissioners, vote for interim appointees, move on
...any order they please, swearings in whenever a judge happens to wander by, all the things state law mandates! Since it's so important that we stay within the strict confines of state law, let's put off the appointments for another four months.
That proves it!
Bully editor girl! That proves you're a liberal. Uh, wait...
Some of the Commission appointments ought to be easy...
District 1A - Sam McKenzie
District 5C - Richard Briggs
District 8B - Dave Wright (No D's or I's even on the ballot)
If anyone thinks either Albert Baah (1A) or Don Sproles (5C) is going to put foward a genuine campaign effort, I'd take McKenzie and Briggs off the "easy" list.
I've heard that D. Wright isn't going to seek the appointment even though he has no one at all running against him in August. I don't get that stance, and I've never heard any explanation of his reasoning. He's already been elected to the post. He should step up and fill it.
Districts 2B, 4A&B, 6A, 9A, and all the fee offices should have caretakers appointed. As far as what criteria ought to be applied by the commissioners to fill those seats, the most I can say is I wish it was some sort of consistent process, but I know it's going to be a beauty contest. The application and interview process pretty well dictates that solution. At least maybe it'll be an above board, out in the open beauty contest this time.
Sproles is a contender
Don Sproles (5C) will definitely put on a genuine campaign effort and should be a strong contender.
Ah, so *that's* how Lumpy got the job
dropping all the applicants off the Sunsphere and appointing the one who bounces highest.
ELECTION DAY FUNNY
Reported by a worker at the Asbury Precinct on election day: Up drives Jack Huddleston and Steve Hunley in Steve's Escalade. They both get out and walk around the precint to make sure everything is in order as they think it should be. Says one Kay Frazier supporter to a Gailen Porter supporter: "Well, we havn't seen the King today, but we've seen two of his men."
Sproles will be a contender.
Sproles will be a contender. He and his wife have sold enough chicken salad to raise the cash to campaign. But, he has almost zip for name recognition. The 5th is strong Republican. Briggs has worked hard, particularly door to door. I've not seen Sproles doing likewise. Briggs also got a lot of good press and endorsements during the primary. It was near impossible to find someone who didn't like him.
Sproles seems to be standing at the plate and Briggs is rounding second. Dr. Briggs, don't look back, he might be gaining...
Haven't heard a peep from Sproles:
I suppose he's made the decision not to start a campaign until after the primary? That might be a good use of limited funds but the "standing at the plate and Brigg is rounding second" is the risk you run with that approach. Still, if Sproles is going to make a serious run, it's inappropriate for Briggs to get the 5c spot and probably a pretty poor political tactic to seek it. And then there were only two "easy" choices.