I got one and personally think it reflects poorly on Piper. My guess is she'll end up denying she had anything to do with it and that it was one of her staff. If I were Broyles, I wouldn't dignify it with a response.
Based on this, Broyles seems to think voting at East Town meant a vote for someone other than her. The mall was convenient to VOTERS. Elections should be about voting and election commissions should err on the side of making voting easier and more accessible to the VOTER.
In a world where voters really matter, candidates should care about this too.
Voting in malls does not raise fair election issues - which is what Broyles is trying to say in Mr. R. Neal link above. Registration irregularities, photo id requirements, etc. normally raise fair election issues in this country. This is not an issue of fair elections vs. convenience. Shutting down the mall was a tactic meant to implement a result -- getting the competition's voters out of the way so Broyles could win. By the way, I never voted for Billy Tindell in my life, but I loved voting at that location.
For those interested in at least some context on voting in malls, you might want to check out this:
she'll end up denying she had anything to do with it
It is an official campaign mailing. It says right on it, "Paid for by the Cortney Piper Campaign, Jeff Talman treasurer."
The "abandoned the Democratic Party" line is the real giveaway on the honesty of this flyer. Remember that 2006 was the year the elections rode the roller coaster of conflicting and poorly timed court decisions that left incumbents first ineligible as per the Supreme Court, then eligible as per the "da charter is broke" decision, then ineligible again when the Supreme Court trashed that decision. Billy Tindell won the primary during that small window of being eligible, so running as an independent, as all the write-ins candidates did, was the only way to give voters an alternative to the term-limited incumbents on the ballot. Characterizing what the write-in candidates did as "abandoning the party" is contemptible.
Tamara, Mackay's quote tells the truth: the mall was not willing to allowing campaigning, and the election commission can not use a polling place that does not permit the full range of activities allowed at a poll. In other words, mall management shut down the polling place, not any candidate.
Did the Simon people disallow campaigning "inside" the structure or, did they disallow campaigning "on mall property"? If the former is the case, then reasonable discussion and disagreement may be had vis-a-vis the 100ft rule, whether it is from the building and how that might apply in a structure with structures inside it. If it is the latter, there is no question, the polling place HAD to be moved. I might have been distracted by life but I have not seen any clarification on this.
It is however, my opinion that all due care should be taken to ensure that no incumbent has undue systemic advantage over any viable opponent, save perhaps their record and fund raising ability.
Submitted by Pam Strickland on Fri, 2008/01/18 - 2:54pm.
I personally spoke to the mall manager during this time. It was mall property period. They are a private business and don't want anything to distract people from their main purpose at the mall -- to spend money.
Pam Strickland
"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut
I personally spoke to the mall manager during this time. It was mall property period. They are a private business and don't want anything to distract people from their main purpose at the mall -- to spend money.
Pam Strickland
That would seem to mean then that the only question is why wasn't Simon properties sued for fraud by the election commission. One must assume that they have a legal staff and/or lawyers and that they have access to the laws and rules concerning voting and campaigning whereas, as a private concern, there is no reasonable assumption of Knox County knowing their corporate policies. In short, the voting site HAD to move and they should have been sued. (It probably isn't too late, who wants to file?)
Who is advising Ms Piper and why did they think this is an issue, much less one to use in a nasty flyer. And why didn't she just say no to negative campaigning? The responses I hear from my district 2 neighbors is one of horror at what "Cortney sent out". They liked her upbeat attitude which she just ruined with this mailing. One neighbor has taken down her Piper sign!
Submitted by tennesseevalues... on Fri, 2008/01/18 - 9:00pm.
I'm not sure why the Piper campaign thought this was a good idea. Did they do some sort of polling and discover that THIS is the issue that is mobilizing voters? I think they were sadly misinformed.
The comment about abandoning the Democratic Party was quite laughable (given the context of the run as an independent and the term limits issues as a previous poster described in detail).
It won't influence me to support Piper's campaign. In fact, it did turn me off a bit from any leanings I was having in that direction.
That being said, Broyles didn't do herself any favors with the mailing we received today in which she listed one of her qualifications for office as being "a native Tennessean."
As Carlene Malone's old campaigns used to highlight, sometimes being a non-native is a plus (especially when you consider the native status of the current office holders). In this campaign, proudly proclaiming yourself "one of us" might just be damning yourself with faint praise.
I'll probably flip a coin in the primary. Either one of them would be preferable to Bolus, but I sure hope Piper and Broyles don't decide to have a mud fight and prove me wrong.
I voted for Amy yesterday at the East Town Crossing shopping center. I honestly don't see why everyone thinks the sky is falling because of the new location vs the mall location. It is MUCH easier to get to the Knox Crossing location and parking is a breeze. I was in and out in less than 10 minutes. All of the election workers seemed rather knowledgeable and were more than happy to help anyone out with the eslates.
I got one and personally think it reflects poorly on Piper. My guess is she'll end up denying she had anything to do with it and that it was one of her staff. If I were Broyles, I wouldn't dignify it with a response.
I'm curious to know Greg Mackay's read on that incident. Is his quote on the mail piece correct? I would attach a lot of credibility to how he saw it.
Greg Mackay's comments here:
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Amy Broyles on the topic (in the same thread):
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Here is Broyles explanation posted sometime ago & her call to arms to shut down East Town:
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Based on this, Broyles seems to think voting at East Town meant a vote for someone other than her. The mall was convenient to VOTERS. Elections should be about voting and election commissions should err on the side of making voting easier and more accessible to the VOTER.
In a world where voters really matter, candidates should care about this too.
Voting in malls does not raise fair election issues - which is what Broyles is trying to say in Mr. R. Neal link above. Registration irregularities, photo id requirements, etc. normally raise fair election issues in this country. This is not an issue of fair elections vs. convenience. Shutting down the mall was a tactic meant to implement a result -- getting the competition's voters out of the way so Broyles could win. By the way, I never voted for Billy Tindell in my life, but I loved voting at that location.
For those interested in at least some context on voting in malls, you might want to check out this:
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Could someone post the content of the Halls Shopper article on this topic published recently?
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she'll end up denying she had anything to do with it
It is an official campaign mailing. It says right on it, "Paid for by the Cortney Piper Campaign, Jeff Talman treasurer."
The "abandoned the Democratic Party" line is the real giveaway on the honesty of this flyer. Remember that 2006 was the year the elections rode the roller coaster of conflicting and poorly timed court decisions that left incumbents first ineligible as per the Supreme Court, then eligible as per the "da charter is broke" decision, then ineligible again when the Supreme Court trashed that decision. Billy Tindell won the primary during that small window of being eligible, so running as an independent, as all the write-ins candidates did, was the only way to give voters an alternative to the term-limited incumbents on the ballot. Characterizing what the write-in candidates did as "abandoning the party" is contemptible.
Tamara, Mackay's quote tells the truth: the mall was not willing to allowing campaigning, and the election commission can not use a polling place that does not permit the full range of activities allowed at a poll. In other words, mall management shut down the polling place, not any candidate.
Did the Simon people disallow campaigning "inside" the structure or, did they disallow campaigning "on mall property"? If the former is the case, then reasonable discussion and disagreement may be had vis-a-vis the 100ft rule, whether it is from the building and how that might apply in a structure with structures inside it. If it is the latter, there is no question, the polling place HAD to be moved. I might have been distracted by life but I have not seen any clarification on this.
It is however, my opinion that all due care should be taken to ensure that no incumbent has undue systemic advantage over any viable opponent, save perhaps their record and fund raising ability.
CAFKIA
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It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.
- William G. McAdoo
I personally spoke to the mall manager during this time. It was mall property period. They are a private business and don't want anything to distract people from their main purpose at the mall -- to spend money.
Pam Strickland
"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut
I don't think this kind of attack piece is effective.
It wouldn't be effective with me. Quite frankly, I think this horse died a long time ago.
I don't live in the 2nd district, but this would make me less likely, rather than more likely, to vote for Piper.
"The difficulty lies not so much in developing new ideas as in escaping from old ones." - John Maynard Keynes
That would seem to mean then that the only question is why wasn't Simon properties sued for fraud by the election commission. One must assume that they have a legal staff and/or lawyers and that they have access to the laws and rules concerning voting and campaigning whereas, as a private concern, there is no reasonable assumption of Knox County knowing their corporate policies. In short, the voting site HAD to move and they should have been sued. (It probably isn't too late, who wants to file?)
CAFKIA
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It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.
- William G. McAdoo
Sued on what grounds? Their corporate policy is inconsistent with hosting a public polling place, but that is not illegal.
Who is advising Ms Piper and why did they think this is an issue, much less one to use in a nasty flyer. And why didn't she just say no to negative campaigning? The responses I hear from my district 2 neighbors is one of horror at what "Cortney sent out". They liked her upbeat attitude which she just ruined with this mailing. One neighbor has taken down her Piper sign!
I'm disappointed. I really expected this to be a class act of a primary campaign.
What a lowdown stunt. They even posted an unflattering photograph of Amy on the flier, and use Halloween colors and creepy, uneven font.
It may not be effective, like Betty says, but it tells me a lot. A lot it didn't intend to.
I'm not sure why the Piper campaign thought this was a good idea. Did they do some sort of polling and discover that THIS is the issue that is mobilizing voters? I think they were sadly misinformed.
The comment about abandoning the Democratic Party was quite laughable (given the context of the run as an independent and the term limits issues as a previous poster described in detail).
It won't influence me to support Piper's campaign. In fact, it did turn me off a bit from any leanings I was having in that direction.
That being said, Broyles didn't do herself any favors with the mailing we received today in which she listed one of her qualifications for office as being "a native Tennessean."
As Carlene Malone's old campaigns used to highlight, sometimes being a non-native is a plus (especially when you consider the native status of the current office holders). In this campaign, proudly proclaiming yourself "one of us" might just be damning yourself with faint praise.
I'll probably flip a coin in the primary. Either one of them would be preferable to Bolus, but I sure hope Piper and Broyles don't decide to have a mud fight and prove me wrong.
I voted for Amy yesterday at the East Town Crossing shopping center. I honestly don't see why everyone thinks the sky is falling because of the new location vs the mall location. It is MUCH easier to get to the Knox Crossing location and parking is a breeze. I was in and out in less than 10 minutes. All of the election workers seemed rather knowledgeable and were more than happy to help anyone out with the eslates.
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