Corruption, the environment, even the future of county government will all be on the agenda for next week's Knox County Commission meeting.
But now a brand new debate is put into the mix. A new resolution on God is set to be discussed next Monday.
"I think it's important this time of season and then, of course, the times we're having with commission," Commissioner Ivan Harmon said. "Boy, who better to call on than God to help us get through this time?"
Next Monday, Commissioners Ivan Harmon and Greg "Lumpy" Lambert will present a resolution to honor God as the foundation for this country.
"It's not pushing our faith on people," Lambert said. "It's basically us acknowledging that the founders of this country were people of faith."
"I think our religions are safer when our government stays away from them," Mark Harmon said, "And this includes the Knox County Commission."
Thank "God" for Mark Harmon. I think he is the only commissioner with a damn bit of common sense.
Thomas Jefferson, a real founder of our country, would be horrified at these moronic claims by the Knox County Commission. But I suppose God, like patriotism, is the last refuge of the scoundrel.
Submitted by talidapali on Wed, 2007/12/12 - 11:10am.
Which God or Goddess are you like?
Your Result: You are your own God or Goddess
Sorry to say, i have no answer that fits you. You are your very own person, and you like to do things your own way. You have stumped me this time, but i will soon make a quiz that will have your answer, just you wait...
well, at least I'm original and i don't smiteth folks without a good reason...or unless they "buffoon" me with "inquisitions".
_________________________________________________ "You can't fix stupid..." ~ Ron White" "I never said I wasn't a brat..." ~ Talidapali
Submitted by WhitesCreek on Wed, 2007/12/12 - 11:19am.
I've always thought I was a pretty righteous Dude, but this is a little much:
You are the Holy Lord. You are the shepherd and those that follow you are your lambs. You are kind and patient, but when need be, you are vile and creul. You are often asked for advise or wisdom, and you willingly give it. Congratulations!! You are God!!
Actually I was pretty close to Buddha, too, which is interesting in that he's dead and is not given Deity status in Buddhism.
And did it actuall call me and god "vile and creul"(sic)?
Submitted by Pam Strickland on Wed, 2007/12/12 - 12:51pm.
You are Budha. You are a very peaceful person, you love all who love you. You are a cheerful personality, and you have a great sense of humor. Congratulations!! You are Budha!!
Closely followed by the Christian God.
Pam Strickland
"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut
I just sent out the following email to Knox County Commission (and Mr. Lambert specifically):
Dear Knox County Commission,
I read today with dismay that a proposal is being offered on Monday to "honor the faith of our founding fathers."
I sincerely hope that you will take the time to read each of the links below as they are filled with discussions concerning the faith of our founding fathers.
You will see that many of the famous ones (including Washington, Jefferson & Franklin) were actually Deists or Unitarians (and NOT Christians) and some were quite vehemently opposed to organized religion.
It should be obvious to any rational person that commission should NOT pass the motion. However, I sincerely doubt many of you will be swayed by reason on this.
Therefore, if you do insist on passing it, please try to adhere to the way our founders' referenced God in our national documents.
- Obviously, you would not be modeling anything after the language of the U.S. Constitution, as there is no mention of God in it at all.
- More likely, you would need to leave out "Jesus", "Christ", "Lord", "God" (with no modifier), etc. and instead only reference God through the Deist terms of "The Creator" and "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" as our founders' chose to do in the Declaration of Independence.
Finally, in case you don't check out any of the links above, consider the Treaty of Tripoli ratified by Congress and signed by our second President (John Adams) - "Article XI: As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion..."
I do hope you will check out the links. There's some interesting discussion on this topic.
Submitted by Factchecker on Wed, 2007/12/12 - 7:23pm.
Ivan and Lumpy have found the perfect missing ingredient to make a complete and total clusterf*ck of what's left of CC. Let's just fight over religion from here on out.
Now back to the national GOP debate: Who hates immigrants the most?
Isn't the debate over ILLEGAL immigrants? That's an important word. But, it seems to get left out by, well, many with a left point of view. Sorry, I know this is off topic.
Submitted by Bbeanster on Wed, 2007/12/12 - 8:08pm.
Who hates immigrants the most?
Isn't the debate over ILLEGAL immigrants? That's an important word. But, it seems to get left out by, well, many with a left point of view. Sorry, I know this is off topic.
Yes, the "debate" is allegedly over illegals, but surely it hasn't excaped your notice that the whole discussion has become very broad and exceedingly nasty. I've been bracing myself to be asked to show my green card.
Submitted by Carole Borges on Thu, 2007/12/13 - 1:43pm.
The Taliban is trying to maintain its stranglehold on the morality of the world. It's in competition with radical conservative Christianity for this, that's why there is so much fear and hatred on both sides. They are both extremists in my book, thirsty for power and battling toward the same goal. They each thinking they alone represent God and purity.
It's an abomination against God really and against the denominatons who have been highjacked into believing in extremism. Most Christins and most Muslims just go about their business of trying to be good. They don't hate anyone, and they are very open about respecting other people's beliefs.
The Taliban had a lot of power and now they are trying to keep it, but we're taking over (occupying) their turf. If the conservative Christian religions ever do manage to take over the United States, I have no doubt major violence and even torture would become much more accepted. They're already proving they have a stomach for this sort of thing--as long as it is done to "bad guys".
Torture of the most hideous kind has been carried out by Christians before, especially during the Inquisition. Waterboarding, the rack, imprisonment for being a possible heretic, complete lack of habeus corpus, and the burning of witches because of religious superstitions.
Religions as well as governments need to be kept in check. There always needs to be a balance of power. It is the only thing that protects us here in America. The mechanism to vote out tyrants is still intact, though it is being tampered with more and more.
Many of the posts on Internet sites reveal a willingness to stone, shot, maim and even kill any "bad guys". It's shocking, but there are people in every community who want to have their own kind of "justice". And what they propose isn't pretty.
Isn't the debate over ILLEGAL immigrants? That's an important word. But, it seems to get left out by, well, many with a left point of view.
Well, I've recently learned that there is no such thing as an "illegal" immigrant until adjudicated by a court. Apparently, there is no statute against living in the US without documentation.
But I could be wrong. I read it in a newspaper. I'd like to be educated by a lawyer or somebody who knows.
Submitted by SammySkull on Wed, 2007/12/12 - 9:01pm.
I personally don't like the term illegal immigrants because it's reprehensible to me that one can so callously write off the value of another human being.
Submitted by Dixie Belle on Wed, 2007/12/12 - 11:52pm.
"Who hates immigrants the
Submitted by CBT on Wed, 2007/12/12 - 7:35pm.
Who hates immigrants the most?
Isn't the debate over ILLEGAL immigrants? That's an important word. But, it seems to get left out by, well, many with a left point of view. Sorry, I know this is off topic."
Of course it's off topic, so try to stick to the point...
As a loud and proud publically proclaiming Christian and Church-goer TM, how do you feel about government servants using the political process to further polarize local government?
WATE is doing another unofficial online poll. This time it is whether Knox Co. Commission should vote for the "God amendment"... Comments should be interesting.
I thought this "elf yourself" thing was cute the first time I got one with the faces of their children, then I got three more. So we had a bit of fun with it....
Thomas Jefferson, a real founder of our country, would be horrified at these moronic claims by the Knox County Commission. But I suppose God, like patriotism, is the last refuge of the scoundrel.
These things are so confusing. Here's a little test to help.
Sorry to say, i have no answer that fits you. You are your very own person, and you like to do things your own way. You have stumped me this time, but i will soon make a quiz that will have your answer, just you wait...
Make Your Own Quiz
well, at least I'm original and i don't smiteth folks without a good reason...or unless they "buffoon" me with "inquisitions".
_________________________________________________
"You can't fix stupid..." ~ Ron White"
"I never said I wasn't a brat..." ~ Talidapali
I've always thought I was a pretty righteous Dude, but this is a little much:
Actually I was pretty close to Buddha, too, which is interesting in that he's dead and is not given Deity status in Buddhism.
And did it actuall call me and god "vile and creul"(sic)?
As usual, it's time for Pastafarians to besiege commission.
Link...
You are Budha. You are a very peaceful person, you love all who love you. You are a cheerful personality, and you have a great sense of humor. Congratulations!! You are Budha!!
Closely followed by the Christian God.
Pam Strickland
"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut
I just sent out the following email to Knox County Commission (and Mr. Lambert specifically):
Dear Knox County Commission,
I read today with dismay that a proposal is being offered on Monday to "honor the faith of our founding fathers."
I sincerely hope that you will take the time to read each of the links below as they are filled with discussions concerning the faith of our founding fathers.
You will see that many of the famous ones (including Washington, Jefferson & Franklin) were actually Deists or Unitarians (and NOT Christians) and some were quite vehemently opposed to organized religion.
Link...
Link...
Link...
Link...
Link...
Link...
Link...
It should be obvious to any rational person that commission should NOT pass the motion. However, I sincerely doubt many of you will be swayed by reason on this.
Therefore, if you do insist on passing it, please try to adhere to the way our founders' referenced God in our national documents.
- Obviously, you would not be modeling anything after the language of the U.S. Constitution, as there is no mention of God in it at all.
- More likely, you would need to leave out "Jesus", "Christ", "Lord", "God" (with no modifier), etc. and instead only reference God through the Deist terms of "The Creator" and "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" as our founders' chose to do in the Declaration of Independence.
Finally, in case you don't check out any of the links above, consider the Treaty of Tripoli ratified by Congress and signed by our second President (John Adams) - "Article XI: As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion..."
I do hope you will check out the links. There's some interesting discussion on this topic.
Sincerely,
Pan Walker
Knox County resident since 1995
How embarrassing...
"It's not pushing our faith on people," Lambert said. "It's basically us acknowledging that the founders of this country were people of faith."
Um...I "basically" don't need Lumpy conducting any evangelical legislation on my behalf.
This is the absolute pinnacle of arrogance. Heaven help us.
Ivan and Lumpy have found the perfect missing ingredient to make a complete and total clusterf*ck of what's left of CC. Let's just fight over religion from here on out.
Now back to the national GOP debate: Who hates immigrants the most?
Who hates immigrants the most?
Isn't the debate over ILLEGAL immigrants? That's an important word. But, it seems to get left out by, well, many with a left point of view. Sorry, I know this is off topic.
Who hates immigrants the most?
Isn't the debate over ILLEGAL immigrants? That's an important word. But, it seems to get left out by, well, many with a left point of view. Sorry, I know this is off topic.
Yes, the "debate" is allegedly over illegals, but surely it hasn't excaped your notice that the whole discussion has become very broad and exceedingly nasty. I've been bracing myself to be asked to show my green card.
What we have here is the establishment of a Knoxville Taliban by a group of snake handler.
What we have here is the establishment of a Knoxville Taliban by a group of snake handler.
Well, except without the carbombs and beheadings and stonings and such.
The Taliban is trying to maintain its stranglehold on the morality of the world. It's in competition with radical conservative Christianity for this, that's why there is so much fear and hatred on both sides. They are both extremists in my book, thirsty for power and battling toward the same goal. They each thinking they alone represent God and purity.
It's an abomination against God really and against the denominatons who have been highjacked into believing in extremism. Most Christins and most Muslims just go about their business of trying to be good. They don't hate anyone, and they are very open about respecting other people's beliefs.
The Taliban had a lot of power and now they are trying to keep it, but we're taking over (occupying) their turf. If the conservative Christian religions ever do manage to take over the United States, I have no doubt major violence and even torture would become much more accepted. They're already proving they have a stomach for this sort of thing--as long as it is done to "bad guys".
Torture of the most hideous kind has been carried out by Christians before, especially during the Inquisition. Waterboarding, the rack, imprisonment for being a possible heretic, complete lack of habeus corpus, and the burning of witches because of religious superstitions.
Religions as well as governments need to be kept in check. There always needs to be a balance of power. It is the only thing that protects us here in America. The mechanism to vote out tyrants is still intact, though it is being tampered with more and more.
Many of the posts on Internet sites reveal a willingness to stone, shot, maim and even kill any "bad guys". It's shocking, but there are people in every community who want to have their own kind of "justice". And what they propose isn't pretty.
Isn't the debate over ILLEGAL immigrants? That's an important word. But, it seems to get left out by, well, many with a left point of view.
Well, I've recently learned that there is no such thing as an "illegal" immigrant until adjudicated by a court. Apparently, there is no statute against living in the US without documentation.
But I could be wrong. I read it in a newspaper. I'd like to be educated by a lawyer or somebody who knows.
I personally don't like the term illegal immigrants because it's reprehensible to me that one can so callously write off the value of another human being.
So what is your estimated value of another human being and how do you pay it?
So what is your estimated value of another human being
equal
and how do you pay it?
being able to see them as equal
Well, Bean, since you brought it up...
Larry Van Guilder
"Who hates immigrants the
Submitted by CBT on Wed, 2007/12/12 - 7:35pm.
Who hates immigrants the most?
Isn't the debate over ILLEGAL immigrants? That's an important word. But, it seems to get left out by, well, many with a left point of view. Sorry, I know this is off topic."
Of course it's off topic, so try to stick to the point...
As a loud and proud publically proclaiming Christian and Church-goer TM, how do you feel about government servants using the political process to further polarize local government?
WATE is doing another unofficial online poll. This time it is whether Knox Co. Commission should vote for the "God amendment"... Comments should be interesting.
Link...
As if the comments on WBIR.com are not bad enough...
I also see the facts because I have a Doctorine degree in history.....
As Randy would say - ok,then.
I thought this "elf yourself" thing was cute the first time I got one with the faces of their children, then I got three more. So we had a bit of fun with it....
Link...
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