When you get right down to it, what is lacking most in Washington?
It's TRUST.
Oprah is a powerful political, social and spiritual force. If she says "He's the man" it is going to have a huge effect on women voters who above all else TRUST Oprah.
What else does Oprah represent?
A new paradigm of thinking
Healthy living
Wealth that respects even the lowest among us
Spiritual belief that transcends sects
The empowerment of women and minorities
Grass roots action by little people to help the world
Nobility under adversity
A global perspective
And a whole lot more...
Don't underestimate Oprah.
Oprah Winfrey is not just capable of selling books. What she has sold very effectively is herself: the Oprah you can trust; the Oprah who cares; the Oprah that knows how to get things done.
Reduced to its smallest common demoninator the one quality most Americans are seeking in this election is someone they can TRUST.
I predict the Oprah factor will be very important in this election.
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I predict you will be wrong.
I predict you will be wrong.
I predict that both of you
I predict that both of you will be partially right, with a strong lean toward Randy.
There is an Oprah effect. Nobody knows what it is or even how big it is.
Internal polls show women moving from Hillary to Obama in moderate numbers, but I think Hillary is showing blood loss due to the thousand cuts thing, most of which she doesn't deserve. She's got a ton of political experience, a lot of it on the defensive. Why Republicans hate her so much when she's basically a moderate republican, simply shows what cows they are. if she gets the Dem Nomination, I'll support her totally.
If Obama get's the Dem nomination, ditto.
Having said all that...
EDWARDS FOR PRESIDENT
They were talking on the
They were talking on the news about the Oprah effect and they say she has 7 million viewers daily, which is pretty huge. The demographic is older, white women. My guess is that this demographic tends to be more politically aware, or at least vote.
But to me this still doesn't add up to any kind of wholesale movement. Some influence maybe yes. But it's not like selling books nationally. This thing will be won in the states and the counties, vote by vote, precinct by precinct. It's a retail operation. Oprah might help with the branding among a certain demographic, but I just don't see her delivering significant votes in any state that matters except maybe Illinois (and Obama presumably wouldn't need much help there), and what votes she delivers will be widely dispersed.
As for the Clinton v. Obama knife fight, Edwards is the winner. But I'm like you. I will support 100% whoever the nominee is.
Guess I'm not her
Guess I'm not her demographic. Never watched her show. Never much followed her activities except awareness of her book club. Definitely appreciate that effort.
There is nothing (I'm pretty sure) that Oprah could do or say that would affect my vote.
In that laundry list of
In that laundry list of things you said about Oprah, you forgot one important one:
Celebrity.
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I like Oprah and I respect
I like Oprah and I respect her for what she has done with her life and for others but please don't make me sit through one of her shows without something to read.
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Ditto. And I can't imagine
Ditto.
And I can't imagine my vote being influenced by her opinions.
"The difficulty lies not so much in developing new ideas as in escaping from old ones." - John Maynard Keynes
Here's something else Oprah
Here's something else Oprah represents. You may be surprised.
(link...)
"Wealth that respects even the lowest among us," so long as you don't work as a writer for Harpo, Inc.
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While I respect the historical importance of unions
While I respect unions and feel they can help workers band together for protection, I have to also support the right of people to choose whether or not they want to be represented by a union and whether or not they should shut-down in support of other people's unions. The article states: "The reason these shows are not shutting down is either because they employ non-union writers, or have no need for writers."
Okay, then. Isn't that their right? Why should they have to shut down if they don't belong to a union?
I have been the beneficiary of a strong union (ultra-high wages)when my first husband worked for the IBEW. Unfortunately he was bounced from the union for life for talking back to the local union steward. It was a long time ago. I don't remember what the argument was about, but it wasn't a case of any physical fight or anything. I think he called the guy a fuc***g a**hole.
In spite of this, I tried to organize a workplace that was paying me really poor wages and had unresponsive management, but my coworkers weren't interested in bringing the union in. They mostly felt the initiation fee and dues would suck up any increase in wages. The company also became more responsive as workers became more vocal about their gripes. When they voted not to join a union I didn't hold this against them. I just wanted them to have the opportunity to be represented by a union if they wanted.
Another post on that site explained Oprah's viewpoint this way:
On the other hand, Oprah is the principal owner and general manager of her company. Sometimes, when a single business owner creates a possitive and fair working environment (pay, promotions, severance), it can be better than operating under a union. We don't always care to admit it, but unions can make it very difficult to get things done. I worked for a Fortune 500 company where you couldn't complete work without the "right" union guy, even when others could do the job. That sometimes meant standing around for hours wasting time, which resulted in lost revenues for the company.
This seems to refute the accusation that she pays low wages and refuses to let any unionizing in her enterprises. As there were no real facts about the wages she pays, I have to question that assertion.
Unions can be vital and necessary, but there is a downside to them. The most important thing being only a few people can get into them. Most union members for decades were white men. In Chicago, you practically had to be the relative of a union member to get into the apprenticeship programs.
I have great respect historically for the union movement in this country, but I'm not sure the original intentions of their grassroots founders have prevailed.
I think they serve a purpose, but I'm not gung-ho-for-all-unions across the board.
Oprah and Unions
First, I, personally, don't give a flying fig about Oprah.I refuse to buy a book that is stamped with her recommendation. And, I'm thinking that her giving away her cars and other expensive items is misplaced spreading of good cheer. Yeah, a few of those people probably need a new car, but many more people in this world need the most base of basics -- food, shelter, education.
I think her campaign move has been will spark some interest, but I don't think it will be solid. It's going to be soft, which probably puts it out there with a lot of other Obama -- and Hillary -- support.
Unions. I'm for 'em. And, anything more than a perfunctory examination of the Writers' Guild of America strike will reveal that they are asking for a very valid change in their basic contract. If tv and movie folks are making more money because of writings in new media then the writers should make more money too.
And I have never purposely watched an episode of Oprah, and if she's against union workers, I'll make sure that I never do.
Pam Strickland
"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut
Well, there's the answer
And I have never purposely watched an episode of Oprah...
Well, I guess you can't really come to any kind of intelligent conclusion about what Oprah represents then. As far as her books go, it's a mixed bag. Some titles she picked were written by authors I admire, others I tried to read but they bored me. Everyone has a different liking when it comes to reading. As a book lover I appreciate the fact people take time to read, and anyone who can get people excited about reading is a boon to the book industry and therefore hardworking authors.
Oprah also doesn't just pick books after an author is popular. She chose my friend Wally Lamb's book "She's Come Undone" out of the blue, when he was a complete unknown. What a surprise that was! And, Wally writes beautifully. It's very sad that some people bash Oprah's ability to recognize good literature. That's mostly from people who are jealous I think, the kind of "academics" who believe they are the only ones capable of pronouncing a book worthy of anyone's attention. The roundtables where audience members discussed the books with the authors was great. They spawned a renewed interest in book circles in hundreds of libraries across the country.
I think the Writers' Union should be suppoorted, but I'd like to ask why if this union is so good for its members the poor writers haven't had a raise in eons. According to them, they've been getting screwed royally by the industry for a long time. Where was the union then?
I don't know what you have against Oprah. You don't watch her show. You refuse to buy any book tainted by an assocuiation with her name, yet you express really strong feelings of dislike for the woman. That's too bad because some of her shows are outstanding, intelligent, and mind-nurturing.
I don't watch Oprah every day anymore, but I still try to see what she's up to. Her interview with Cormac McCarthy was a real score because no one else has been able to interview him. He is I think a great literary star, and he didn't seem to think being on Oprah was beneath him.
No one's perfect. Oprah certainly isn't, but I'm always perplexed by people who seem to hate her so much. She's done an admirable amount of good work in her lifetime.
I am a reader. I have read
I am a reader. I have read more about her in the various media that I consume every day. There's enough variety in those for me to get a good picture of what's there. Plus, I saw her on Letterman. And probably in some Barbara Walters or other interview that I stumbled on over the years.
But Oprah shouldn't take it personally. I never turn the TV on in my house before 6 or 6:30 p.m. It's not a rule that I made, it's just the way I live my life. It never occurred to me to waste part of my day watching television. I might watch a college basketball game occasionally on the weekend, but I haven't even done that yet this season. If I'm the only one in a waiting room at the doctor's office or somewhere else, I've been known to ask them to turn off the TV or at least turn down the volume. When did we become a society that required someone to entertain us in every waking moment or idle second?
I have, occasionally, browsed her magazine. But that makes me a bit nervous -- what does it say about her that she insists on being the cover person for every issue. The browsing usually takes place when I've gathered up a huge stack of mags at the local Barnes and Noble or Borders and bought a nice cup of coffee. The only thing I can remember reading is a piece on Harper Lee.
As for Oprah's book recommendations, I'm far from an academic elitist. I take recommendations from a wide variety of sources. I just don't care, frankly, to be part of this mass media insanity that she creates by whispering the title of a book -- or shouting it, I honestly don't know or care which it is. I, oh my god, go to bookstores and look at the book itself. I talk to the people at my independent bookstore about what is good and what other readers are saying. I read book reviews. I listen to the answer of the question to the writer about what they read.
I don't have anything against Oprah. I certainly don't hate her. I just don't have anything for her.
Pam Strickland
"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut
I'm not wild about her magazine either
There are plenty of things I don't think are so great about Oprah. Her ego can get a little overblown at times and she is a bit too into Gucci, but then so is my granddaughter and I don;t hold it against her. I just think she has been over the long run a very positive force in many modern women's lives. Whether or not she manages to up Obama's ratings reamins to be seen. I do think she will have some effct though. I'm into Obama more and more because of his stand on many things I feel aloigned with and because he is not a professional machine like Clinton. Though I will vote for Hillary if she's the nominee and I do respect many of her political efforts.
Hey, what a dilemma! Should I vote for the first multi-racial man for president or the first really viable woman candidate? I would never vote on a basis of race or gender only, but that's a pretty unusual choice.
Going to bookstores ia a major good thing, and a lack of daytime TV isn't bad either. As a mother with four little ones at home, I enjoyed having Oprah on in the afternoon. It sure beat "The Price is Right" or "Days of Our Lives".
This seems to refute the
Were you even aware that she refuses to employ union writers?
Last time I checked, there's still a minimum wage, there's a 40 hour work-week, there's no [legal] child labor in sweatshops, many employers sponsor insurance...
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Oprah has a huge effect...
Oprah has a huge effect on the modern American woman. I mean, she got us to read Anna Karenina. Come on. Not to mention all the people she has mobilized to provide housing after Hurricane Katrina, or educate themselves about global warming, or just get in shape. Her interview with George W. had a huge effect on his approval ratings, not because of anything she did, but because he was on her show and came out and kissed her on the cheek. They had a good interview, he had a good response.
I am looking forward to seeing the "Oprah effect" if you will; of course, it helps that I completely believe in Obama as the best candidate for president, so I embrace her "authorization" at this point. I also hope people will take her intended previous advice, and find out more for themselves about the candidates in this election.
As far as Obama - look at his record, his policies, his priorities; I think he speaks for himself. And it doesn't hurt to have such a fabulous woman in his camp!
...it doesn't hurt to have
And the question I would have is "Why does Oprah support Obama?"
Does he have the most experience or best voting record? Has he demonstrated the ability to bring together diverse constituencies for a common goal? Has he laid out the best strategies for Health care reform, reinstating the Constitution, and recreating the Justice department as an agent of Contitutional government? Does he poll the strongest against the Republican contenders and stand the best chance of winning the General election?
Well, no...So what can it be?
Well, I guess you can't
I can only take so much talk about angels and miracles and God. That's why I don't watch.
I can't find where she said this, but I remember her saying very clearly that "all the answers to the world's problems can be found in prayer." I know that there are a number of people who are fine with that sentiment, but for me that's about as anti-intellectual as it gets. QED.
Maybe it'd get further if high-profile people like Oprah took a stand in the favor of unions.
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Oprah
Compared with the political/social clout that she supposedly has, I'm suprised at how FEW people actually watch Oprah. If only 7 million people watch her daily, that gives her a far less reach than Rush Limbaugh (12 million daily listeners) or even one of my favorite TV shows "House," which has pulled an average of 12 million viewers a week this season.
I'm hardly criticizing Oprah. In fact, I've only seen bits of her show a few times. However, hearing so much about the book clubs and magazines and such, I would have thought that more people actually watched her.
It is amazing...
I guess it just shows what an impact she has, though Rush Limbaugh has certainly had a large effect on many people and House is an excellent show. Certainly Oprah celebrity rubs many people the wrong way. I guess that's why we have a really negative climate here in America. We tend to be disparaging of positive people. Feelings and emotion are too often seen as simpy, and anyone in the spotlight gets torn apart. All you have to do is say you like someone and immediately the hackles go up and the nipping starts.
Certainly Oprah celebrity
Saying "she doesn't have a union writing staff" is a responsible complaint. Saying she sometimes doesn't go through a proper vetting process is a responsible complaint.
As far as the feelings & emotion go, whatever. I have a hard time with the simplistic metaphysical mumbo-jumbo (see: her willing advocacy of The Secret) and the self-righteous Dr. Phil avenue to living life.
Of the myriad reasons to support Obama - and I note that you mention the Oprah Effect without invoking his name, curiously enough - Oprah is among the least of them.
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I really don't like Dr. Phil at all
I never said those two remarks you made were non-interesting, though I would need more facts on both to come to any kind of understanding about the worker issues. I just haven't had time to delve into them right now.
Constructive debate on any subject if it is backed up by actual facts are always interesting to me. Even if these things were true, I still don't think it would be fair to say that Oprah was in any way a negative force in our culture. I admire her for the many actual things she has done, but I don't think everyone has to agree with me.
Dr. Phil Yuk! He's not on my favorite list, but I don't rank on him because he obviously appeals to many people who find his advice helpful. I also wasn't very impressed with "The Secret". I do like guests like Julian Cameron who wrote "The Artist's Way" and Marianne Williamson,who started "U.S. The Dept of Peace", and I really like seeing the good work ordinary people are achieving because of Oprah's Angel Network. The name might sound corny, but I think the projects they've started are very impressive. Oh, and I think Deepak Chopra has many intelligent things to say about reality and about health. Yeah, I admit I'm intrigued by "New Age/New Thought" thinking. Not a true believer, but some of their thoughts make sense to me.
One thing I do know is "old thought" ain't working.
If she says "He's the man"
If she says "He's the man" it is going to have a huge effect on women voters who above all else TRUST Oprah.
Why should people trust Oprah more than anyone else?
As I recall, Dean collected a boatload of big name endorsements in 2004, but that didn't seem to matter much once the votes started coming in.
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most excellent point
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Pam Strickland
"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut
Picking her spots
Oprah doesn't have to influence many people directly to vote for Obama to have an influence. If she can get even a midling portion of the older white women that are her fan base to vote for Obama in the Iowa caucus (as they are the largest demographic to participate from what I hear), she can push Obama past Hilary and Edwards in Iowa, and that alone will have a huge impact on the race.
BTW, things move so fast these days that it's hard to realize that six or seven years ago, the last time the WGA contact was negotiated, you would have had to be pretty clairvoyant to realize just how big DVD sales of TV box sets were going to be and what a profit center they would become for the studios and networks. Also, the cable networks have moved well away from the then common practice of showing old TV reruns to developing new content. Another trend you wouldn't have realized was going to be such a huge impact on screenwriters was the reality show boom. So it's not that the WGA is a bad union as the industry is changing really fast. Note that the directors and actors are getting the same bad deal, but their contract is up later, so they'll get to ride on the coattails of the writers who are striking.