Fri
Nov 16 2007
12:26 pm
By: WhitesCreek
Downtown Knoxville Bird Problem
Grackles? Starlings?
Anyway, the cannon just annoys them and makes them somebody else's problem.
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European starlings. I did a
European starlings. I did a story on them back in the summer.
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The photo that accompanies the article is excellent, but it no longer has the credit line, and I don't remember who took it. The article also had a lengthy sidebar of starling facts, such as when they were introduced to the U.S. and what their current population is estimated to be, but that seems to have disappeared too.
Are these the sweet singing brds in Market Square?
I thought grackles and starlings just squawked.
Explosions don't work long.
Every time the grackles, cowbirds and red winged blackbirds descend en mass on our feeders, my wife throws a (legal here) firecracker out the window. The only ones that are scared away for more than 1 minute are my dogs.
I once had a friend who said
I once had a friend who said she would just as soon have a cat at her bird feeder as she would the grackles. She was more likely to cuss the grackles than anything else in the world.
Pam Strickland
"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut
She was more likely to cuss
She was more likely to cuss the grackles than anything else in the world.
She sounds like someone who has another bird mistaken for grackles.
If they are Starlings..
Starlings are an invasive species. I'm thinking that they were brought here by the Shakespere Society. I'm also thinking they are the blackbirds, of which four and twenty were baked in a pie.
So why don't they just eat them?
I totally agree we ought to drive them far away
But it does seem a little specio-centric to label them as "invasive". It seems to me, we humans are seriously invasive creatures. We just don't seem to have any big giants punishing us for being a nuisance to the planet. Slashing away mountaintops, spewing filth into the air, covering the earth with concrete, Sure we don't poop on the wing, but I'd say we must seem like a pest to other species, to them we must appear as a kudzu-like life form creeping all over everything. Just be glad no one has the power "to get the RAID!!!"
Then again...(gulp)... maybe there is someone?
it does seem a little
it does seem a little specio-centric to label them as "invasive"
Try telling that to the titmice.
I know they're awful. Just being a smart aleck
Starlings in Boston were making airplanes crash. They were clogging up the engines. I'm not sure how they eliminated them.
If I had the power, Carole,
If I had the power, Carole, I would eliminate starlings from this continent. They are quite destructive, not just to the works of humans, but to our natural environment.
They are interesting and beautiful birds, actually, but in North America, they are destructive killers. Driving them out of Knoxville simply delivers their damage somewhere else.
Let's have some pie.
(And did you know that they are a prime carrier of avian flu?)
Perhaps we should cultivate some...
Urban hawks or falcons? Maybe introduce some aeries to the downtown high rises? Falcons and Domestic cats are the known predators of starlings. GO FALCONS!!!!!!!!
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Year-Round Starling Hunting Season
Here are some building blocks. I will let you determine whether they are sturdy and should be put together in any combination:
1. Tennessee has a year-round Starling hunting season with no daily bag limit.
2. The Tennessee Attorney General has opined that cities are preempted by state law from regulating hunting. While this opinion is not online, another description of it is in footnote 196 here.
3. The City of Knoxville's Code Section 19-909, which regulates the discharge of firearms, expressly provides that it is not "intended to prohibit the discharge or firing of any firearms by anyone lawfully engaged in hunting upon any property owned by the state and managed by the state wildlife resources agency which may be located within the municipal limits of the city."
Links
My links didn't seem to work. Here are the sites I referenced:
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Sorry to add another note,
Sorry to add another note, but I felt obliged to point out that there would be one very easy way to make a dent in Knoxville's starling population that does not involve the cannons or other more creative solutions discussed above.
There is an existing Forks of the River Wildlife Management Area within 3 or 4 miles (as the starling flies) from downtown. It is open for hunting much of the year, and dove is one of the main, if not the main, game which hunters are actually looking for there. At least occasionally, huge flocks of starling pass throug the WMA (and its grain fields planted specifically to attract doves). So we have hunters, shotguns, and a safe location to hunt starlings in close proximity to downtown and UT's problem starlings.
However, although the hunting of starlings is open year round, without limit, on all private lands, it is not allowed on the Forks of the River WMA. The problem is that TWRA outlaws hunting on WMAs except as sepcified in the WMA section of the hunting guide: (link...).
Until this year, many WMAs provided that hunting was the "same as statewide seasons," thus presumably allowing hunting of starling. Now, however, TWRA has changed the format of its hunting guide, using a different icon for each species. The problem is that they don't assign starlings an icon and fail to list them in the "catch-all provision" that provides that
"Fox, groundhog, and striped skunk hunting is permitted on all wildlife management areas during any scheduled small game hunt unless special exception is indicated."
This is probably simply an oversight, but it means that thousands of the most-used hunting areas in the state are closed to starling hunting.
I am with Steve that these birds need to go. I've sent an email to TWRA, and will let everyone know what I hear on this.
Excellent!
I had a couple of starling hunters that kept the birds off of some rental buildings with Daisy's but they've grown up and gone off to college.
Some of us are fortunate
Some of us are fortunate enough to never grow up. I'll stay after TWRA and we'll see what can be done about this.
Update from TWRA
Here is what I wrote TWRA:
Does TWRA intend for starling hunting to be allowed on WMAs? My understanding is that starlings are considered an invasive, nuisance species, so I expect that TWRA wants them hunted. But my reading of the WMA section of the hunting guide is that there is no provision for starling hunting....
Here is the response from Scott Somershoe, State Ornithologist at TWRA:
If you are in an area where you can legally discharge a firearm, you can shoot starlings. European Starlings are not native to North America and are not protected by the federal laws that protect all native birds. I do not know why things changed in the hunting guide as I have nothing to do with hunting (I'm the non-game bird guy). I do know you can shoot them legally. If you can find a place where they aren't sitting on a power line and can get a shot at them without damaging infrastructure, I see no reason why not. Just don't shoot at them in places where you cannot discharge a firearm, i.e. a residential neighborhood. Happy hunting, Scott.
Frankly, I am not sure that he is correct, legally. His legal reasoning that federal law does not prohibit starling hunting is incomplete, as state laws can also prohibit it. I may or may not follow up on the issue to try to convince TWRA to clarify that in next year's hunting guide. But it is at least good to know that the good folks at TWRA want them dead.
I meant to save this one to
I meant to save this one to hurl at our next troll but it fits so well here.
You start out with a little biscuit dough....
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If you prefer, here is a slightly older recipe but it does nothing to reduce the starling population:
TO MAKE PIE THAT THE BIRDS MAY BE ALIVE IN THEM, AND FLIE OUT WHEN IT IS CUT UP (from Giovanni de Roselli's Epulario, or, The Italian Banquet, a translation from Italian into English, London 1598)
Make the coffin of a great Pie or pasty. in the bottome whereof make a hole as big as your fist, or bigger if you will. let the sides of the coffin be some what higher then ordinary Pie, which dome. put is full of flower and bake it, and being baked, open the hole in the bottome and take out the flower. then having a Pie of the bignesse of the hole in the bottome of the coffin aforesaid. you shal put it into the coffin, withall put into the said coffin round about the aforesaid pie as many small live birds as the empty coffin will hold besides the pie aforesaid. And this is to be done at such time as you send the Pie to the table, and set before the guests: where uncovering or cutting up the lid of the great Pie, all the Birds will flie out. which is to the delight and pleasure shew to the company and because they shall not bee altogether mocked, you shall cut open the small pie and in this sort tart you may make many others, the like you may do with a Tart.
Bon Appetit!
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it does nothing to reduce the starling population
Having been altogether mocked, the pied birds may hurl themselves forlorn into a billboard cow or relinquish shamed souls by other gruesome manner.
European Starling
European Starling Facts
According to Tennessee Conservationist Magazine, European starlings (Sturnus vulgaris) were introduced into the United States because industrialist and Shakespeare enthusiast Eugene Scheiffelin wanted to bring all the birds ever referenced in Shakespeare’s works to the United States. He had 100 birds released in New York City’s Central Park in 1890-91. (Starlings are mentioned in Henry IV, Part I, Act 1: “Nay, I’ll have a starling shall be taught to speak nothing but ‘Mortimer.’”)
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By 1910, starlings had spread across much of the East Coast and by 1942 they had spread all the way to California.
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By the 1990s they had reached Alaska.
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Worldwide range: They are native to the northern half of Eurasia. In North America, they range from eastern Alaska to Newfoundland down into northern Mexico. They also have been introduced into South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica, and some of the West Indies.
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In 2004, the worldwide European starling population was estimated to exceed 800 million with approximately 266 million residing in North America.
- wildlifedamage.unl.edu/handbook/Chapters/pdf/2004birdstrikeabstracts.pdf
Size: ~8.5 in
Weight: ~3.0 oz
Wingspan: ~15.75 in
Coloration: Both males and females have similar iridescent green glossed feathers covering the back, nape, and breast. The black wings are occasionally seen with a veneer of green and purple.
Starling food: The most common animals eaten by the starling are centipedes, spiders, moths, and earthworms. The most popular plants are berries, seeds, apples, pears, plums, and cherries.
Breeding season: European starlings breed from March to July.
Eggs per season: 4 to 7
Time to hatching: 15 days (high)
Time to fledging: 21 to 23 days
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Droppings from starlings often accumulate at roost sites and harbor Histoplasma capsulatum, the fungus that causes histoplasmosis.
Starlings are chunky in appearance and their flight is direct and swift, not rising and falling like many blackbirds (e.g., common grackle). Starlings nest in tree cavities, birdhouses and holes in buildings, oftentimes replacing native nesters, such as the bluebird and various woodpeckers.
- Managing Nuisance Animals and Associated Damage Around the Home, Agricultural Extension Service, The University of Tennessee ((link...))
legally keeping grackles
I don't know the law very well, but why is it legal to shoot/poison grackles but you can't keep them as pets. I have two that I have raised before they even had feathers. One is blind and the other has a defective leg and can't perch. I live in az and am moving to california. California lists them as not being a migratory bird, yet they are protected under the migratory bird treaty. If I turn these birds over to fish and game they will be euthanized. They are imprinted and have really bonded to me.