Submitted by R. Neal on Mon, 2007/11/05 - 9:15am

Hey all you Knoxville Democrats. There's an election tomorrow. You can elect Democrat Ray Abbas to City Council if you want. It's a chance to pick up an easy win and help statewide party building at the local level.

At the close of early voting, only 1593 people had voted. Nearly half of them were at the West location, home turf of the Republican candidate who I'm sure is a swell guy.

We all realize these are non-partisan elections, but there are clear differences between the candidates. Ray Abbas is out on the streets every day doing good work for the community and the less fortunate and will give working people a seat at the table.

All it will take is for some Democrats to get out to the polls and vote for Ray Abbas. How hard could it be?

You good Democrats over there should have already put this one to bed in early voting. But so far, about 83,000 registered voters have stayed home. Don't be one of them.

Voting is from 8AM to 8PM. A list of locations is here. You can look up your location based on your address here.

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CBT's picture

Attention all Knoxville

Attention all Knoxville Democrats (and other voters). Respected Democrats like Joe Armstrong and Randy Nichols are supporting Councilman Joe Bailey. So are Congressman Jimmy Duncan and other noted Republicans.

In addition to being a swell guy as Randy notes, Joe Bailey has done a good job and deserves to be re-elected. Joe Bailey was born and raised in Knoxville. He has experience in this community and in government. He has helped both homeowners and businesses.

This is a non-partisan race (as much as Joe's opponent would like to make it partisan). So, Democrats, Republicans and others, vote tomorrow for Joe Bailey.

Bbeanster's picture

Why should I care where Joe

Why should I care where Joe Bailey was born?

The best city council member I've ever seen, Carlene Malone, was born in New York City.

knoxrebel's picture

Chad: Joe Bailey has done a

Chad: Joe Bailey has done a good job? Are you serious? On what? What exactly are his accomplishments over the past 4 years? Now, I like golf just as much as the next guy, but funding Knoxville's golf courses does not seem to be a priority for Knoxvillians. As far as Armstrong and Nichols go, well even a Democrat gets it wrong every now and then. And as much as I like and respect Randy, he has personal reasons for "supporting" Bailey, although he still was not at the event he was supposed to "host" for Bailey. I think it is a far stretch to praise Joe Bailey for being a productive councilman. On the other hand, Ray Abbas has been in the trenches since he was 16 years old fighting for the poor, homeless, and disadvantaged. He has a proven track record of helping those who need help in his community. Where was Bailey? Probably on the golf course . . . .

CBT's picture

I didn't say it was the only

I didn't say it was the only criteria. But, growing up in and living in a place for 45 or so years gives you experience, perspective and insight. Joe has other attributes as well. So did Ms. Malone.

StaceyDiamond's picture

from here

I think Ray was born here. I know he graduated from Fulton and his dad ran that grocery store for decades. Abbas may sound a little funny compared to Bailey, but I actually think Ray was born here or has at least lived here a very long time.

R. Neal's picture

You're right, Stacey. Abbas

You're right, Stacey. Abbas seems to have a pretty good Knoxville pedigree.

And so's Betty. Who cares where they were born? Bredsesen ain't from around here. Thompson was born in Alabama. The Haslams started out in Virginia, didn't they?

Rachel's picture

Haslams

I do believe Big Jim came to UT from Florida. The first Mrs. was a Knoxvillian tho.

"The difficulty lies not so much in developing new ideas as in escaping from old ones." - John Maynard Keynes

CBT's picture

What grocery store?

What grocery store?

tennesseevaluesauthority's picture

Abbas Market on Broadway

Abbas Market on Broadway (behind the Domino's Pizza during its last years at that location) near the 4th and Gill neighborhood. We used to go there to get olives and other useful ingredients.

R. Neal's picture

From his website: "I was

From his website:

"I was born in Knoxville in the Fourth and Gill neighborhood. My parents, Sam and Elizabeth, owned the neighborhood grocery store for 32 years. Abbas Food Market was where I did a lot of my growing up. My parents were my first and best teachers. I learned my work ethic from watching my dad work 12-hour days, 6 days-a-week and my compassion from my mother as she cared for me and my three brothers and sisters."

Read more here:

http://www.rayabbas.com/about_ray.php

CBT's picture

You can learn more about Joe

You can learn more about Joe Bailey, his background and priorities here http://joebaileyforcouncil.com/

After interviewing both, the News-Sentinel endorses Joe Bailey for re-election http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2007/nov/06/no-small-election/

"fighting for the poor, homeless, and disadvantaged"

No doubt credentials for a charitable job, but City Council requires more. From his website, has he ever held a private sector job post-high school? I see nothing about his family, church affiliation? While not decisive, I'm interested to know more which might enable me to connect with a candidate.

I've listed notable Democrats and Republicans who are supporting Joe Bailey. The News-Sentinel endorses Bailey. Who's supporting his opponent?

knoxrebel's picture

First, the News Sentinel's

First, the News Sentinel's endorsement pointed out not a single accomplishment by Bailey. Rather, it follows a long history of favoring incumbents. And he also got that plug because the City Council isn't involved in a public scandal right now, as opposed to the County Commission. Second, I'm surprised you have taken the tact of making light of Abbas' public-service oriented career. City Council indeed does require more than fighting for folks who Republicans do not seem to care about. In 4 years, what has Bailey accomplished? He has a public relations firm that purportedly specialized in "federal government relations" in. . . Knoxville, Tennessee. That's hilarious. Third, are you actually attacking Ray for not identifying his religious affiliation on his website? I guess you were also behind Fred Sisk's little property tax brochure to taxpayers, paid for by taxpayers which touted his church affiliation and that he knows what family values mean, huh? Fourth, so is it actually a good thing that "notable" Dems and Republicans and the KNS are supporting Bailey? Besides, from all indications, that support is lukewarm, at best, especially in view of the pathetic early voting turnout. I would also note that the CEO and President of Regal Cinemas are big Abbas supporters.

Carole Borges's picture

I think the people supporting Abbas

He seems to be attracting young progressive people looking for someone with compassion for the average worker and a vision that doesn't smell of corporate connections. Bailey has a lot of sincere supporters. He isn't disliked by voters, but some people are a little tired of the cookie-cutter politicans who always sound great, but then turns around and plays politics to better their future ambitions. I think this is how Bailey appears to some people. Just based on overhearing conversations, so my opinion is probably not all that inclusive.

bizgrrl's picture

I have no dog in this hunt,

I have no dog in this hunt, BUT, it seems Knoxville politics could use some new blood.

R. Neal's picture

Bailey also got the coveted

Bailey also got the coveted Brian Hornback endorsement.

redmondkr's picture

I don't have a dog in this

I don't have a dog in this fight, either, but having the News Sentinel's endorsement speaks volumes to me.

I would have to vote for Abbas.

Besides, I really enjoyed their music.


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CBT's picture

You mention only one person

You mention only one person and not by name as a supporter of Bailey's opponent. You also provide no answers to the questions I asked. Sounds like Joe's opponent has something to hide.

Joe Bailey is supported by Republicans and Democrats and has been judged by the daily paper to be the better candidate. This is a non-partisan race. Bailey's opponent would apparently like the race to be decided on a partisan basis.

Rachel's picture

I'm not quite sure why this

I'm not quite sure why this race is so important to CBT. I don't think he even lives in the city (please correct me, CBT, if I'm wrong).

To be honest, I think both these guys have good attributes. Bailey's politics are much more conservative than mine and I disagree with quite a few of his votes on Council, but he has worked hard on Council, and works well with his peers. Also, he shows up. You'd be suprised which Council people don't turn out for stuff even in their own district. And I've watched Joe grow and learn over the last 4 years - I admire someone who is open-minded enough to look at new ideas.

OTOH, Abbas's politics in general are closer to mine, and he would bring a fresh perspective to Council.

And I don't give a flying fig which party either of them is from. Council, thank God, is non-partisan, and that's the way I want to think about it.

"The difficulty lies not so much in developing new ideas as in escaping from old ones." - John Maynard Keynes

knoxrebel's picture

Chad, this is your typical

Chad, this is your typical Republican crap. I had not expected that you would fall into that mix, being an Elk and all. The upshot is that you can't say anything positive about your guy's accomplishments (because he does not have any) so you try to deflect the story and make some sort of implication against Abbas. That's a typical GOP negative attack. But you folks will eventually discover over the course of the next 9 months that if you're going to hit a guy you better make sure you knock him down. Anyway, why would I want to answer your questions anyway? Joe Bailey is about as non-partisan as Karl Rove. C'mon, quit trying to fool people. Now, let's summarize: I asked you hours ago to point out exactly what Bailey has done for K-town (other than make sure the golf courses he plays on look nice). You can't even come up with one thing? As far as your implication about Ray elsewhere, under your view, I guess Scooby and Lumby and Chucky are your morality heroes, huh?

CBT's picture

Why it's important to me? 1.

Why it's important to me?

1. I work every day in downtown Knoxville, what happens in the City of Knoxville affects my daily life
2. I want to keep good people in city government
3. Joe and his family have been friends for years, I went to school with his brother, my wife went to school with another Bailey brother
4. Lastly, I've heard to much about his opponent to not stand up and help Joe win.

Good enough?

Thanks for the compliments for Joe's work on council. Lots of folks want to put others into a category because of party affiliation. I certainly know how that feels. Joe has the support of Republicans and Democrats. I admire that. I think the voters will reward him with another win. I hope so.

R. Neal's picture

I've heard to much about his

I've heard to much about his opponent to not stand up and help Joe win.

Like what?

Rachel's picture

Lots of folks want to put

Lots of folks want to put others into a category because of party affiliation.

Yeah, "lots" of folks will do that.

CBT's picture

My mother often told me that

My mother often told me that you're judged by the people you run with. I still think that's true. 'Nuf said.

knoxrebel's picture

Chad, instead of trying to

Chad, instead of trying to be clever and recite your momma's sayings, if you have something to say, big boy, take your best shot. I'm not quite sure who you're trying to take a shot at, Ray or me or someone else, but the least you can do is be a man about it. You Republicans often bring out the Lonsdale in me. But hey, every now and then, that's not a bad thing.

R. Neal's picture

My mother often told me that

My mother often told me that you're judged by the people you run with. I still think that's true. 'Nuf said.

Hey, now. That's a low blow. Nobody's taking cheap shots at your guy, unless you consider calling him a Republican a cheap shot, and I guess I can understand that.

CBT's picture

I'm not quite sure who

I'm not quite sure who you're trying to take a shot at, Ray or me or someone else, but the least you can do is be a man about it.

Well, it's kinda hard as to you given I have no idea who 'you' are. You obviously know who I am, as does everyone else who reads this blog (I am a 'man' who doesn't care to accept blame or credit for his opinions). So, care to identify yourself 'knoxrebel'?

knoxrebel1's picture

I'm sorry Chad, I thought

I'm sorry Chad, I thought you knew who I was. I quit sticking my name on my posts a while ago. But I've been posting press releases in my name (Don Daugherty) and under my screenname (knoxrebel) for awhile now. Anyway, I will say that as Chairman of the Knox County Democratic Party, I am a big Ray Abbas fan. And I know that you are a big Joe Bailey fan. But since I know Ray is at Sequoyah Hills right now while I'm calling Dems in town trying to get them out to vote, I decided to step in front of that bullet you fired at him which implied that he is somehow guilty by associating with someone. Obviously, since I'm probably the least credible and less reputable person he knows, I naturally took offense and believed you were referring to me, and my Lonsdale roots came out. Seriously, I actually think it might be a fairly close race today. I'd say about a 3,800 total turnout. If most of the 2,000 who voted for Abbas in the primary show, well, it will be close. If not, Bailey's in.

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it's hard to believe that anyone on this list would support a candidate (bailey) who has publicly spoken against the concept of a living wage for city workers.

StaceyDiamond's picture

Joe and Ray

I think Joe is an ok councilman, I think they are all so-so, mostly going along to get along. But, Ray is a young, energetic Democrat and neighbor whom I am willing to give a shot. How bad can working to help the homeless be? I voted for him today, along with my write-ins, Scott West, Mike West and Kanye West. But in all seriousness, what's this stuff about who Ray "runs with" and him not listing his religious affiliations? He has a nice statement about his family posted on his website that R. Neal included. His girlfriend works in social services. Folks in Sequoyah Hills have hosted fundraisers for him. I've really not heard anything bad about Ray. My first info I got in the mail about him was an endorsement from Fulton football coach Buck Coatney, that seems like a good red-blooded American conventional endorsement to me.

CBT's picture

Name the elected officials

Name the elected officials supporting Abbas. Name any candidates for office in the upcoming county elections who are supporting Abbas.

Abbas and his campaign tried to make this a partisan race (with help from the Democrat Chairman and Randy Neal). With almost no name recognition, maybe that's a smart move. But, that doesn't fly when prominent Democrats are supporting Bailey. Abbas doesn't seem like a bad guy, just a candidate with whom I don't likely share many of the same political views. Same for some of his supporters. He ran a good race.

Joe also ran a very good race. He worked hard. He turned out his voters. He has another term.

CBT's picture

it's hard to believe that

it's hard to believe that anyone on this list would support a candidate (bailey) who has publicly spoken against the concept of a living wage for city workers.

Comrade Kaplan,

I suppose when Randy starts checking id's at the door and/or censors those who may post opinions which are not "progressive" or "liberal", you'll get the uniform statement of opinion you apparently desire.

Last time I checked the city wasn't having any trouble getting workers. If that becomes a problem and the city is losing jobs to other employers because of money I'm guessing they'll raise the pay. If a worker isn't making enough, why is that? Lack of education, lack of skills?

SammySkull's picture

If a worker isn't making

If a worker isn't making enough, why is that? Lack of education, lack of skills?

Exactly, they don't deserve any more than they have the good sense to grab.

Aaaaahhh, there's the snark I missed in that other thread.

So, are you saying that people only deserve the amount of money they're smart enough to wrangle out of their employer? Isn't there some point at which people should be able to make an honest living from an honest day's work?

Factchecker's picture

Wine and limos would be worse?

Comrade Kaplan,

Bingo. That didn't take long. Oh, that's right. It's a "joke." Makes it OK to excuse anything anywhere between that remark and those from Ann Coulter.

StaceyDiamond's picture

elected officials

Madeline had all kinds of name recognition, but still the same group suported Haslam. Its more about the already powerful helping the already powerful to keep the staus quo. That goes without saying. What bugged me was what seemed to be some sort low blow on Ray's strange sounding last name by making comments about his religion or where he was born. I hope that's not what CBT meant, because he seems more thoughtful than that.

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