Wed
Oct 17 2007
09:30 pm

It was a Sunday night for the 8:00 show. I parked in the free Market Street garage. After being greeeted by very friendly staff & paying $6.00 for my senior ticket, I drifted over to the concession stand--no lines. The inside was rather chintzy looking. No frills. Not much furniture and few plants. Everything was of course too expensive, so I proceeded to the movie. The comfy seats in this theater have plenty of leg room. I tried to pull the armrest down, but had to struggle. New I guess. The screen was large and the sound was very good though there was a long, long pause between the announcement of the movie's start and the actual start. I thought maybe the projector was broken or the projectionist absent. There were probably seven or eight other people in the theater with me. After the movie I walked back through Market Square--a little scarey late at night with no one around except a trio of homeless types who made some flirtatious comments (a gesture I took to mean they must have been heavily drugged).

It would have been nice if there was an ice cream place close by. Somehow I couldn't help but wonder how this movie house will ever survive, if maybe they should have built a smaller less expensive theater. If the Regal people are smart, they'll offer some special price nights to get families down there. Once they see how nice the place is maybe they'll come back. As for teenagers, who seem to fill most theaters, I don't think there's enough action going on to make a week night trip downtown interesting. No retail shops open. No Panera Bread or Starbucks for hanging out. On the week ends Market Square is usually lively, but on week nights it's dead. No retail shops were open.

I've always felt there is something special about a movie located on a downtown street. I am thrilled the Regal Cinema is there & I hope everyone will go there often so they will survive.

Caling it the Stadium bothers me. Why not have a more interesting appropriate name?

I'm curious if anyone else has been down there?

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Hayduke's picture

Keep the name and get better flics

I think "stadium" is requisite advertising of the seating style. The "Riviera" part digs up the name of an old Gay St cinema, so that part is pretty cool.

I just wish they'd show better movies. I really want to go to more of them, but I can't get excited about much of the line-up. I had hoped for the Downtown Waste kind of line up and it just hasn't happened.

Carole Borges's picture

It might take them time to figure out which movies sell

yeah! Downtown West has the kinds of movies I want to see. I'd go every week if it were closer and maybe sometimes more than that. I love films, but I hate the Hollywood car chase thrillers and the slasher nightmares. They do fill seats, so I'm not saying they shouldn't have them, but I bet if they had some more intelligent fare (which I think ironically is often cheaper) they would have a whole lot more business. I'm just so glad it's there. I did like the film I saw. Can't think of the name, but it starred George Clooney. It was a suspense movie, but without all the racing camera action and gore. The actors were actually given time to act. Eventually, the Regal may have more interesting films in at least one of the theaters every week. I sure hope so.

calloway's picture

we go to movies regularly

, practically every week, and the downtown theater so far seems to more than be holding its own. Go to any of the theaters during the week and sometimes its a lonely scene. If I have noticed any theater lose business over the last two years I would say its Regal West (vs. Pinnacle I presume).

Now, IMHO, that would not be if the loud arts contingent convinces Regal that somehow what the public really wants is 12 screens of Eastern Promises. Then I guess the Riviera would be a very lonely place indeed.

Think folks, you also wouldn't get to smugly go on about how often you only go to the art movies at Downtown West.

Dixie Belle's picture

Carole I don't mean to

Carole I don't mean to question your observations about walking through Market Square on a Sunday night, but I live there I'm wondering how you could have missed the Sunday Night Home Run Whiffle Ball Tournament;-)

It's become quite the event! It started out with a handful of kids, but has grown to 30-40 folks. It being Fall Break there wasn't as large of a crowd, but this past Sunday night the hitting was so enthusiastic that we found one ball in our window boxes and one ball on the roof.

The reason retail isn't open on Sunday nights is because all of the boutiques on the Square are independently owned and operated. We need some R & R just like everybody else. That being said, I don't know of any other area of town where independent, locally owned stores/small businesses are consistently open seven days a week.

Anyway, I'm glad you checked out the theatre and downtown. If you want a livelier non-weekend night, you might try Wednesdays and Thursdays...

Carole Borges's picture

Hmmm..it was about 10:30 I think when I drifted through

The wiffle ball thing sounds fun. You're right that small independent business owners need to take time off, not hire extra staff to remain open at night, and they also need customers to make staying open late worthwhile. It's a problem.

It's probably heresy, but one good open-all-night store like a Dunkin' Donuts, an all night diner, or even a convience store (which in most cities often acts as a reassurance zone to people like myself who like to wander alone through cities at night) would be a welcome sight. Maybe Market Square being what it is and having very limited space will not turn out to be the central attraction downtown. Maybe Gay Street will become the late night hub. There's room there anyway for more businesses and the movie theater hopefully will draw more people down there.

Market Sqaure is a huge asset. It's beautiful. The shops and restaurants are superb and in the daytime or on weekend nights it feels like a friendly community space, and it's fun. I go there a lot, and love it!

The Square seems to be doing well. I hope it benefits from the theater and all the stores it might bring to Gay street.

CBT's picture

I'm all for the ice cream

I'm all for the ice cream parlor! An after movie attraction for young and old.

CBT

Elrod's picture

Ice cream is a plus

In Maryville a new ice cream place is opening soon on Broadway. It used to be Kay's and now it's Sweet Celebrations or something. Ice cream parlors are beautiful things, especially in a hot and sunny clime like Tennessee! Of course, there's always the Tic-Toc in Loudon.

Factchecker's picture

What hayduke said

We're still waiting for a movie downtown that we want to see. The only Downtown West type flick they tried was Leonardo DiCaprio's The 11th Hour, which they pulled after just a few days, before we could see it.

Rachel's picture

Yup. I've been waiting for

Yup. I've been waiting for something good too. But Michael Clayton is playing now, and I want to see that, so we should be going this week.

"The difficulty lies not so much in developing new ideas as in escaping from old ones." - John Maynard Keynes

Carole Borges's picture

That's the one I saw, Rachel

It was a really interesting movie. I hope they have more that I'm eager to see. I think they give away free popcorn on Tuesday nights if you have amembership card. It's free. I think it's ten movies and then one free one.

Hayduke's picture

You didn't miss much

You didn't miss much. I went to see it despite iffy reviews more as a vote than anything else. Had to go with Ebert's review: "I agree with every word in this tedious documentary."

I sure hope that wasn't our only shot at alt-cinema

StaceyDiamond's picture

Market Square

I was out for the throat singers at the World Grotto last night. Not many there but the singers were totally bizarre and enjoyable. That said, everything else was kicking.The Brewery, Tomato Head, Oodles, what have you seem to have outside crowds almost 7 nights a week. Sat.the Square was packed for the Hispanic Fest and there was a line at the theatre as well. Jack Neely makes a good point in this week's MP about the need for cheap food and icecream ect, and the fact that before there the rest of downtown picked up in fact we had those things. The Square is a different world from about 2 1/2 years ago. When I went to Boston three years ago much of their retail was closed on Sunday and there subways do not run all night on any night either. I also don't get why it's ok for West Town for ie to just show regular movies but by god downtown has to have art movies.

StaceyDiamond's picture

cereal bar

Folks should check out the cereal bar in the Old City. There's a write-up on it in the MP this week as well.

Up Goose Creek's picture

1 or 2

I agree the whole theater shouldn't be given over to arty films. But 1 or 2 screens would be good. Show the films for a week and rotate them quickly. That way you won't put it off until next week, then next and whoops, the movie you wanted to see isn't showing anymore, hello netflix...?

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Rachel's picture

I agree with Goose Creek.

I agree with Goose Creek. And I understand there are two small auditoriums, which seem ideal for these kinds of movies. Adding them to the mix to attract the market for them that obviously is there seems like a no brainer to me.

"The difficulty lies not so much in developing new ideas as in escaping from old ones." - John Maynard Keynes

Carole Borges's picture

Should we all write to Regal ?

Do you think we should all write to Regal to let them know how eager we are to visit their theater, but hope to see at least one small auditorium devoted to more sophisticated movies--like the ones that play at Downtown West?

Years ago, when I was learning how to sell real estate, I was taught that the top closers know to do one simple thing--they know how to come right out and ask for whatever action they want. Statistically people tend not to come out and ask clearly for the things they want.

This has always stayed with me. It has helped me in many life situtations.

Should we ask?

CBT's picture

After my post a couple of

After my post a couple of days ago, I received an email from a friend in the know. It seems an ice cream parlor may be coming sometime soon near the Regal theater. A welcome addition.

I saw the cereal bar on a recent trip into the Old City, frankly my first in a year or more even though I work, shop and eat downtown. There's just not much to attract me to the Old City. The cereal bar is a neat idea which I've seen in other cities (Chicago) and also written up in mags. The problem for me is the location. Unless I find street parking, I'm paying almost as much for parking as the cereal. I know, I know, there's parking somewhere. But, for something like cereal, I want quick and convenient. Maybe the downtown dwellers will give it enough support. I wish it were on Gay St. or Market Square, but I guess everything can't be in the middle. There has to be a fringe.

Carole Borges's picture

Parking is the problem for me too

I like the Old City, but outside of Java, I've always considered it a place for young college kids. Nothing wrong with that if there is enough of them to support growth down there. It's a charming historic place that I hope won't get ruined by too much upscale "improvement".

It does however cost an arm and a leg to park there unless you want to walk a long way. I'm not much into cereal, only an occasional bowl of granola or Cheerios. I hate sugar-coated cereals. I hope they consider doing a nice breakfast in the future. Parking is probably much easier in the daytime, but that's when most of the shops are open, so I'm not sure about that.

Mike Cohen's picture

Art films

I go to Downtown West more than any other theater and love what they show there. For a market this size, we have a far better than ususal selection of art/independent movies. My fear would be that moving some of them downtown may mess up the critical mass that makes the economics work. And remember...the goal of the downtown cinema was to get people downtown. In numbers. Showing mainstream movies is more likely to draw more people which is more help for retail, restaurants etc. I go to a lot of independent movies at Downtown West, but rarely are there a lot of people in the theater.

Michael's picture

I hate to say it but...

...everywhere I've ever lived, I've observed that the art/indy films are inevitably screened at second or later generation facilites. In other words, those houses are usually trying to make another go out of an otherwise failed (or replaced) venue. And this includes Downtown West, which is one of Knoxville's oldest cinemas.

Look at how many people cite Downtown West as their favorite or even only venue in Knoxville. One thing art houses usually have going for them is that they're the ONLY place that a particular picture's going to show. That's not unique to Knoxville. People who are fans of this genre are going to take whatever reasonable measures to see it. That includes for many of them a longer trip than they would prefer. But they'll do it if they want.

Now, let's say you're a big theater chain, and let's say you're already operating a successful multiplex art house in a market. Are you going to go and screen those movies elsewhere? Even if you own it? I'm thinking if you split the audience, it cuts into Downtown West's receipts. Unless you're assured you're going to pick up additional customers -- rather than just moving them around -- why do it?
~m.

Rachel's picture

That's probably the

That's probably the thinking. But there are also folks like me - and 90% of the time I'll wait for the movie to come out on Netflix rather than driving to Downtown West.

"The difficulty lies not so much in developing new ideas as in escaping from old ones." - John Maynard Keynes

Nelle's picture

Yeah, I'm with Rachel

I don't want to have to drive out west just to see a decent movie. If it's showing downtown, I can take the bus w/o transferring or ride my bikecycle. See, art house movies are good for the environment!! :)

[rank speculation] I would imagine that a lot of Downtown West's audience comes from downtown and near-downtown neighborhoods. [rank speculation/]

As for diluting the art house/indie movie audience, eh, it doesn't concern me. One person's dilution is another's de-marginalization.

Carole Borges's picture

Add me to this too...

I avoid driving beyond Beardon if I can help it. I hate the highway and the Cumberland/Kingston Pike route is just too laden with stoplights or heavy traffic. It seems having some great flicks downtown makes sense because tourism is centered there and hopefully a lot of new residents will be moving there too. It doesn't make sense to limit things that people enjoy to only one location for nostalgic reasons. Change happens and right now the shift for many people from West to downtown seems to already be in progress. To be perfectly selfish, I'm not all that concerned about Downtown West's survival. If I had simlar films closer, I'd be going to the movies a whole lot more often.

StaceyDiamond's picture

Old City

I've noticed the antique stores in the Old City are closing. You can find free parking there if you don't care to park by the bridge. Its not bad during the day, probably shouldn't do it alone at night, but the worst I've seen is just people asking for money. I think the cereal bar may have had a better shot on Market Square, but I assume rent is cheaper in the Old City. On movies, if I want to see a documentary I watch PBS. I bet not all folks that live near downtown dislike regular movies. I enjoy the low brow as well as the high brow, as I went to see Elf during the Riviera's discount week.

Carole Borges's picture

I like regular movies too

Probably about one or two that I think are good ones show up every few weeks. There's nothing wrong with the usual fare, though I really think the slasher movies, the thriller car-chase suspense dramas, and the mob corruption movies are often boring and stupid. I like a good plot with solid acting, a movie that reveals something deeper about the human condition or something so funny I can't help but laugh out loud. Chix-flicks are sometimes great & I especially love those Victorian movies about individuals bucking the mores of the times, partly for the clothes ( I wish I had been born rich back then!). I love the steamy repressed sexuality too. Passionate women folks steeped in formality and good manners panting secretly over some handsome dude or trying to assert their freedom in a stern family. There's something about aberration shown against a backdrop of luscious scenery and prudish manners that I find enchanting. Like studying a wine stain on a pure white linen tablecoth.

CBT's picture

For those of you who like

For those of you who like movies, check out (link...) . There is a ton of information at that site, from opening numbers, revenue, tracking, reviews, etc.

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