What is genocide? Well, it's, um, not something our allies do. Or ever have done.
"We all deeply regret the tragic suffering of the Armenian people that began in 1915," Bush said in a brief statement. "But this resolution is not the right response to these historic mass killings and its passage would do great harm to relations with a key ally in NATO, and to the war on terror."
"Yes, historic mass killings, tragic suffering. Yadda yadda. But it's not genocide."
Um, whoops?
Turkey has recalled its ambassador to the United States in response to a House resolution that would call the World War I massacre of Armenians by Turkish forces genocide, the Turkish Foreign Ministry said Thursday.
The House Committee on Foreign Affairs passed the measure 27-21 Wednesday, even though President Bush and key administration figures lobbied hard against it. The full House is expected to vote on it, possibly Friday.
I'm curious - has anyone heard a harsh word from Mr. President "Democracy Is On The March for the Proud Peoples of the Middle East" Bush about how his Turkish allies have been bombing the hell out of Kurdish Iraq for the last week?
And that they're now threatening to invade?
Turkish warplanes and helicopter gunships attacked suspected positions of Kurdish rebels near Iraq on Wednesday, a possible prelude to a cross-border operation that would be likely to raise tensions with Washington.
The military offensive also reportedly included shelling of suspected Turkish Kurd guerrilla hide-outs in northern Iraq, which is predominantly Kurdish. U.S. officials are preoccupied with efforts to stabilize other areas of Iraq and oppose Turkish intervention in the relatively peaceful north. The White House issued a warning Wednesday against such an incursion "at this time."
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan told reporters that a motion authorizing a cross-border operation was being prepared and might reach parliament today. An opposition nationalist party said it would support the motion.
If parliament approves, the military could launch an operation immediately or wait to see if the United States and its allies decide to crack down on the rebels, who have been fighting for autonomy in Turkey's southeast since 1984 in a conflict that has claimed tens of thousands of lives.
Yeah, I didn't think so.
Get used to hearing this phrase: "expanded regional conflict." But remember, the surge is working.
W: Putting the "Dip" into Diplomacy since 2001.
Bonus question: Where's Condi?
|
Topics:
|
|
Discussing:
- Alcoa Hwy construction to extend to 2030 (2 replies)
- Smith & Wesson noise problem (3 replies)
- Are Chat bots a waste of time? (1 reply)
- Musicians dropping out of President's Freedom Concert Series (1 reply)
- It's time for new blood in Congress, Barnett in - Burchett out (1 reply)
- Burning Down The House... (2 replies)
- Behind Lege Lies (1 reply)
- Peace (1 reply)
- Speak your truth, fight and believe. (1 reply)
- Large banks have too much AI data center debt? (1 reply)
- GOP misleading on federal health care funding (1 reply)
- Feds indict civil rights group (3 replies)
TN Progressive
- Alcoa property taxes will probably not go up (BlountViews)
- Smith & Wesson not a good fit for Blount County (BlountViews)
- Pellissippi Parkway extension delayed again (BlountViews)
- Blount County early voting record turnout (BlountViews)
- WATCH THIS SPACE. (Left Wing Cracker)
- America As It Is Right Now (RoaneViews)
- A friend sent this: From Captain McElwee's Tall Tales of Roane County (RoaneViews)
- The Meidas Touch (RoaneViews)
- Massive Security Breach Analysis (RoaneViews)
- (Whitescreek Journal)
- My choices in the August election (Left Wing Cracker)
- July 4, 2024 - aka The Twilight Zone (Joe Powell)
TN Politics
- Stockard on the Stump: Don’t bet your life savings on a gubernatorial debate (TN Lookout)
- Trump couldn’t send troops to the polls without approval of Congress under Dem bill (TN Lookout)
- More Americans are hungry in the face of federal cuts, rising grocery prices (TN Lookout)
- 60-day clock starts for negotiations with Iran over strait, nuclear future (TN Lookout)
- Feds seek dismissal of xAI lawsuit in Memphis and Mississippi (TN Lookout)
- FEMA nominee pressed on whether Trump favors disaster funding requests from GOP states (TN Lookout)
Knox TN Today
- Play catch with Lady Vols softball players (Knox TN Today)
- Norris Lake at Oak Grove + Beaver Creek + West Hills picnic (Knox TN Today)
- Dishing It Out: Million Dollar Spaghetti (Knox TN Today)
- Close to Home, Far from Ordinary: East Tennessee ghost stories and local legends (Knox TN Today)
- William Carder, Powell, crowned Tennessee’s Best Bagger (Knox TN Today)
- Bisky is a special resident at Zoo Knoxville (Knox TN Today)
- Dining Duo gives statistics plus two favorite pizza eats (Knox TN Today)
- Hiking with Harrington: Rich Mt. Road (Knox TN Today)
- Plant flowers like wildlife depends on it. They do! (Knox TN Today)
- 6/19 HEADLINES: News and events from Knox, World, USA, Tennessee & Historic Notes (Knox TN Today)
- Unmasking bright futures for pets at Mask-Fur-Ade 2026 (Knox TN Today)
- Belmont Blooms (Knox TN Today)
Local TV News
- Oak Ridge paramedic's heart attack survival underscores importance of men's health awareness (WATE)
- Driver charged with kidnapping after Knox County police pursuit ends in crash (WATE)
- Alcoa resurfacing, road work to impact East Tennessee drivers this weekend (WATE)
- 'Nobody gets to an elite level alone' VFL, Olympian shares why swimming is always a team sport (WATE)
- District attorney to seek life without parole for man accused of killing three in Blount County house fire (WATE)
- Knox County juvenile center employee sues, claiming age discrimination (WATE)
News Sentinel
State News
- America at 250: The moments that made Chattanooga - Chattanooga Times Free Press (Times Free Press)
- Chattanooga 250: City born as gateway to the West amid Indian removal - Chattanooga Times Free Press (Times Free Press)
- America at 250: The moments that made Chattanooga - Chattanooga Times Free Press (Times Free Press)
- Times Opinion: The fun is running out for Trump’s presidency - Chattanooga Times Free Press (Times Free Press)
Wire Reports
- Israel and Hezbollah agree to a ceasefire after intensified fighting threatens U.S.-Iran talks - NBC News (US News)
- Trump unveils new Air Force One, a $400 million plane gifted by Qatar - CBS News (US News)
- Italy PM Meloni ‘stunned’ by Trump’s claims she begged him for a photo - The Guardian (US News)
- The blue paint is peeling off the Reflecting Pool - The Washington Post (US News)
- Barack and Michelle Obama surprise first visitors to newly opened presidential center - AP News (US News)
- Exclusive: Trump tells "The Axios Show" that Anthropic was a national security threat - Axios (Business)
- The Trump administration says it is cutting student loan interest. Not everyone qualifies. - CBS News (Business)
- President Trump’s Iran Agreement Is America First in Action - The White House (.gov) (US News)
- Mortgage rates fall to lowest level in over a month as Iran deal framework takes shape - Fox Business (Business)
- Oil tanker traffic in Strait of Hormuz jumps after U.S. and Iran implement deal to open sea lane - CNBC (US News)
- SpaceX stock price drops after Cursor purchase. How low could it go? - Mashable (Business)
- Maine Democrats reject Platner-backed candidate in blow to scandal-plagued Senate hopeful - Fox News (US News)
- How SpaceX benefits from its Cursor acquisition - Yahoo Finance (Business)
- Juneteenth National Independence Day: Closures and service changes in Columbus - NBC4 WCMH-TV (Business)
- ‘We created a monster’: companies rein in AI usage as costs strain budgets - Financial Times (Business)
Local Media
Lost Medicaid Funding
Search and Archives
TN Progressive
Nearby:
- Blount Dems
- Herston TN Family Law
- Inside of Knoxville
- Instapundit
- Jack Lail
- Jim Stovall
- Knox Dems
- MoxCarm Blue Streak
- Outdoor Knoxville
- Pittman Properties
- Reality Me
- Stop Alcoa Parkway
Beyond:
- Nashville Scene
- Nashville Post
- Smart City Memphis
- TN Dems
- TN Journal
- TN Lookout
- Bob Stepno
- Facing South

The Enduring Relevance of
The Enduring Relevance of the Armenian Genocide
What's the relevance?
I care about what Turkey's doing now. 90 years ago? Not so much. Bunches of my family were slaughtered around then, too. I don't care that no one's apologized for that, either.
What's the
Turkey's using it as leverage to bully the US into looking the other way as Kurdistan is bombarded. Nice, huh?
____________________________
"Respect mah authoritah!" - Fred Cartman Thompson
Turkey's using it as
Turkey's using it as leverage to bully the US into looking the other way as Kurdistan is bombarded. Nice, huh?
To the extent that we are losing leverage with the Turks because of this issue, the blame lies with
Diane FeinsteinAdam Schiff and the Democratic Congress, not the Bush Administration.Bonus question: Where's Condi?
Along with Gates, trying to talk sense into Congress' head. Yay Condi.
[edit: Adam Schiff, not Diane Feinstein. I'm not following the latest in Armenian Genocide news all that closely]
To some extent, didn't we
To some extent, didn't we bomb Iraq because of what Saddam did 10 years ago?
Forgot one little clause
"To some extent, didn't we bomb Iraq because of what Saddam did 10 years ago?"
Just add to the end of that, "with our blessings."
Of course, it's hard to condemn Turkey for committing genocide in the past when we need them now to help us continue our genocide against the people of Iraq. We've probably killed about a million Iraqis so far, and we've forced a couple million more to flee their homes, many into other countries. And we're not about to stop. We are the present-day genociders.
I fear that...
attention to the so-called Armenian Holocaust may detract from the Jewish Holocaust, the most important event in history. The deaths of 1.5 million Armenians is insignificant compared to the deaths of 6.0 million Jews.
Insignificant maybe to you, but...
The loss the Armenians suffered and the pain of having their fellow Armenians wiped off the map forever should never be called "insignificant".
It's not just a numbers game. The death of so many Jews was a blow to all of Creation. No term can ever capture the suffering of so many beautifuil innocent people that gave us so much in the way of intellect and passion and art. I still feel though that an overzealous expression of ownership of the word "genocide" diminishes the great pain the Aremenians suffered and also other genocide victims previous to that. It makes the Jews seem unsymapthetic to other peoples' suffering, and I know that is not the case. Protecting the word genocide to make it only relate to WWII seesm like the copyrighting of a brand. That's too businesslike for my taste.
Personally I have always been horrified that in our day and age we stood by and let the Rwanda atrocites happen. The cutting off of childrens' arms and lips so they couldn't pray made me literally sick.
For those who might wonder what all the controversy is about, here is what Wikipedia has to say about the definition of genocide
"Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction of an ethnic, religious or national group. While precise definition varies among genocide scholars, the legal definition is found in the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG). Article 2 of the CPPCG defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and/or] Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
(link...)
As for the word "holocaust", Wikipedia says: (link...)
The loss the Armenians
The loss the Armenians suffered and the pain of having their fellow Armenians wiped off the map forever should never be called "insignificant".
An intellectually honest person could not do anything but shake their head over this sordid affair. Actual, real, and current genocide going on in various countries and the dopes on the left reach into the early 1900s to psuedo-bash someone helping out in a war they currently disapprove of.
Are we going to condemn the Brits for past injustices ? God help the folks living in Rome. They'd be buried in resolutions overnight.
Not from the left
This measure is not being pushed by the "left" or even from the Democratic Party. It's been pushed for years by Californians of both political parties at the behest of the state's large Armenian-American population, a majority of whom are Republican (remember George Deukmejian?) Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi have supported this measure since it was first introduced by that rabid left-winger Bob Dole in the 1990s.
I don't know whether or not it makes sense to pass this resolution at this point. As a Jew, I feel a special responsibility to recognize other genocides and the Armenian genocide was one of the worst in the 20th century. It seems Turkey is desperate to invade Iraq to go after the PKK rebels hiding out in Iraqi Kurdistan, and the Armenian issue might give enough cover to the Turkish leadership to carry an invasion out.