Um, Alex Jones is crazy. Seriously, he is one of those folks who thinks that American politics are controlled by occultists and that 9/11 was an inside job.
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
Submitted by Johnny Ringo on Wed, 2007/08/15 - 8:25pm.
Um, Alex Jones is crazy. Seriously, he is one of those folks who thinks that American politics are controlled by occultists and that 9/11 was an inside job.
Admittedly I know nothing about Alex Jones or Inforwars, but it doesn't really matter. Infowars was just the first site that came up when I googled "Ron Paul internet polls." The "Ron Paul! gets 90% of the internet poll vote while being at 1% or less in every scientific poll" phenomenon is well documented. See here and here and here, along with about a bajillion other places. Just because the candidate does well in utterly unscientific internet polls doesn't mean he will do well in the real world is my point.
He's got some money now, he has a faithful following, he is doing good work, people like him.
What would benefit him if he runs for president, whether he wins or not? If he wins, King of the World? Do you really think he cares at this point. He went through a pretty bad process running and winning/losing in 2000. Maybe after what he has been able to do in the last couple of years he no longer wants political office. It could happen.
Oh, it's not about him, it's about "the people". He needs to sacrifice and run for office for the people. Tell us why he should run for president to help the people.
It's about the people and about the country. I firmly believe Al Gore has the best shot at unifying the people of this nation. He has the necessary experience to lead this country and to begin cleaning up the mess Bush created.
Sadly, I do not think he will be convinced to run.
Submitted by Virgil Proudfoot on Wed, 2007/08/15 - 3:03pm.
If there's one thing Gore probably learned in politics, it's that politicians are the humble servants of rich men. Maybe, now that he's a rich man himself, he realizes that now he has real power. So why put himself through the agony of a presidential campaign--a process he clearly detests--only, if he's successful, to become a servant again?
Submitted by Average Guy on Wed, 2007/08/15 - 5:04pm.
Um, Alex Jones is crazy.
Ok, lets say he is. Do you think the 911 familes and widows are too?http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481&q=911&total=69860&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3
Do you know how a piece of concrete can go through another piece of concrete as fast as it would through air (WTC 1 fell in 10 sec)? Do you think building seven fell the way the NIST told you it did? Do you know what 33degree mason does? Do you what the "all seeing eye" and latin on our money means? Do you know why the Federal Reserve came to be in 1913?
From video evidence, significant portions of the cores of both buildings (roughly 60 stories of WTC 1 and 40 stories of WTC 2) are known to have stood 15 to 25 seconds after collapse initiation before they, too, began to collapse. Neither the duration of the seismic records nor video evidence (due to obstruction of view caused by debris clouds) are reliable indicators of the total time it took for each building to collapse completely.
Submitted by Average Guy on Wed, 2007/08/15 - 10:43pm.
Per NIST:
From video evidence, significant portions of the cores of both buildings (roughly 60 stories of WTC 1 and 40 stories of WTC 2) are known to have stood 15 to 25 seconds after collapse initiation before they, too, began to collapse. Neither the duration of the seismic records nor video evidence (due to obstruction of view caused by debris clouds) are reliable indicators of the total time it took for each building to collapse completely.
The NIST is right about the core still briefly "being" there, but not about the speed. Link...
before they, too, began to collapse.
They collapse alright, straight down - in the path of most resistance.
How do you explain these buildings not disintegrating? Link...
Why didn't this plane disintegrate like the Pentagon crash (tail section and fuselage intact)? Link...
Why didn't the Windsor in Spain "free fall" after 20hrs of burning in 2005? Link...
"They collapse alright, straight down - in the path of most resistance."
I really haven't watched the collapse of the buildings extensively, but could this explain how it could have occurred:
The weight of the upper floors could actually accelerate the speed of the falling floors below them. Once the building began to fall, as the heavier weight of the upper floors slammed into the next lower floor, it would result in a downward explosion. The downward explosion would clear a path for the rest of the debris, allowing it to free fall.
Submitted by Socialist With ... on Wed, 2007/08/15 - 11:06pm.
Please stop this paranoid nonsense. In nearly every post on this site, you have insisted on spewing these irrational and thoroughly debunked fantasies.
You demonstrate exactly zero understanding of physics and exactly zero common sense. With every post, you continue to make yourself look like a fool, and you degrade the quality of dialogue on this site.
Stop it.
Please take this delusional nonsense somewhere else. Your rantings have nothing to do with Knoxville, or politics, or reality.
Anyone tempted to believe the "Average Guy" who paints himself as a latter-day Guy Fawkes should read this in its entirety:
So what kind of thought processes contribute to belief in conspiracy theories? A study I carried out in 2002 explored a way of thinking sometimes called "major event - major cause" reasoning. Essentially, people often assume that an event with substantial, significant or wide-ranging consequences is likely to have been caused by something substantial, significant or wide-ranging.
[...]
To appreciate why this form of reasoning is seductive, consider the alternative: major events having minor or mundane causes -- for example, the assassination of a president by a single, possibly mentally unstable, gunman, or the death of a princess because of a drunk driver. This presents us with a rather chaotic and unpredictable relationship between cause and effect. Instability makes most of us uncomfortable; we prefer to imagine we live in a predictable, safe world, so in a strange way, some conspiracy theories offer us accounts of events that allow us to retain a sense of safety and predictability.
That's you in a nutshell. Your under-medicated rants about 9/11, the Freemasons, and the Federal Reserve add nothing to the discussion here, but instead serve only to poison the waters of rational thought.
--Socialist With A Gold Card
"I'm a socialist with a gold card. I firmly believe we need a revolution; I'm just concerned that I won't be able to get good moisturizer afterwards." -- Brett Butler
Submitted by Average Guy on Wed, 2007/08/15 - 11:50pm.
conspiracy
Dictionary.com defines it this way
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
Besides Popular Mechanics and the Government, can you provide me with a few other links? Maybe humor me with an answer to any of the last three questions in my previous post.
Socialist With A Gold Card - that's certainly what you sound like. Inclusive while exclusive.
Submitted by Socialist With ... on Thu, 2007/08/16 - 6:41am.
I will not play Whack-A-Mole with a lunatic, nor will I "play nice" on this subject.
Your unmedicated paranoia does great damage to the memories of the people who died on 9/11. You mock them with your delusions. Stop it.
The Popular Mechanics article addresses your lies about the free-fall rates of the buildings. I suggest you read it.
--Socialist With A Gold Card
"I'm a socialist with a gold card. I firmly believe we need a revolution; I'm just concerned that I won't be able to get good moisturizer afterwards." -- Brett Butler
Submitted by Average Guy on Thu, 2007/08/16 - 7:19am.
Stop It? Bet you were fun on a road trip in a car as a kid. MOM!, my brother the Commie with a Green Card won’t stop touching me!
On a scale of 1 to 10, how do you currently rate your government? Why does the anointed one, Hillary, get trounced at the top of this page? People know there is something very wrong with their government, but most aren’t sure to what extent. Why would you destroy the Constitution if your goal wasn’t to circumvent and hide from it?
I asked you to cite a source other than Popular Mechanics? Popular Mechanics has been debunked by every other site I’ve come across. Just give me three others. I would like to have them for reference.
Can I not believe my eyes? Obviously, you did not take the short time to actually see for yourself. Link...
Are there case studies where physical models have been made, and then been able to duplicate what happened that day?
Do you believe that this has happened though out history or not?
Your source; Instability makes most of us uncomfortable; we prefer to imagine we live in a predictable, safe world, so in a strange way, some conspiracy theories offer us accounts of events that allow us to retain a sense of safety and predictability.
Safe and predictable - how is the weather in your world? If you would like to refute one specific thing without referencing PM, I will gladly answer it.
I would give anything for Gore to run, that would ENSURE a repub win in 2008. You guys don't have a very good pulse on American attitudes and direction.
Submitted by Average Guy on Thu, 2007/08/16 - 7:38am.
As an Independent voter, I’m not so sure about that. While I personally find him hard to listen to and fear the extent to which he would impose his environmental standards – if the election were today, he’d have my vote.
But until then, I like the message of Ron Paul. His take on Roe v Wade is off, but that isn't changing anyway.
Submitted by Socialist With ... on Thu, 2007/08/16 - 7:41am.
I told you I will not play Whack-A-Mole with you. That is not the purpose of this site, nor is it a productive use of my time. This will be my one and only substantive reply to your psychosis:
First, the BBC did a program debunking your nonsense. The video link is on the page.
Next, see the "Criticism" section of this article, as well as the footnotes at the end. One of them points here, which you should spend some time thinking about.
Then there's this, and this, and this, and this, just for starters.
Your persistent assault on common sense and actual science is just as offensive as the Bush administration's perversion of science for its own ends. You and he are peas in a pod, and I will not waste another moment on your toxic perversion.
I knew two people who died in Tower Two. You offend and dishonor their memory by perverting the facts of their deaths to suit your delusional view of history. That's why I responded to your lies to begin with (along with the fact that no one on this site had done so), but this is the only time I'll address you on the subject.
You do realize this was a work of fiction, don't you?
--Socialist With A Gold Card
"I'm a socialist with a gold card. I firmly believe we need a revolution; I'm just concerned that I won't be able to get good moisturizer afterwards." -- Brett Butler
Thanks for putting it up. Is this considered a straw pole?
... for that we'd have to cough up $35 each.
Kos, OpenLeft, MyDD should band together to do a poll like this among likely Democratic voters nationwide to see how it would come out...
If Gore were to walk away with it, it might finally give him reason to reconsider not running.
Kos, OpenLeft, MyDD should band together to do a poll like this among likely Democratic voters nationwide to see how it would come out...
If Gore were to walk away with it, it might finally give him reason to reconsider not running.
It's certainly working for Ron Paul!
Um, Alex Jones is crazy. Seriously, he is one of those folks who thinks that American politics are controlled by occultists and that 9/11 was an inside job.
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
Um, Alex Jones is crazy. Seriously, he is one of those folks who thinks that American politics are controlled by occultists and that 9/11 was an inside job.
Admittedly I know nothing about Alex Jones or Inforwars, but it doesn't really matter. Infowars was just the first site that came up when I googled "Ron Paul internet polls." The "Ron Paul! gets 90% of the internet poll vote while being at 1% or less in every scientific poll" phenomenon is well documented. See here and here and here, along with about a bajillion other places. Just because the candidate does well in utterly unscientific internet polls doesn't mean he will do well in the real world is my point.
Submitted by Johnny Ringo on Wed, 2007/08/15 - 4:11pm.
Kos, OpenLeft, MyDD should band together to do a poll like this among likely Democratic voters nationwide to see how it would come out...
If Gore were to walk away with it, it might finally give him reason to reconsider not running.
It's certainly working for Ron Paul!
Infowars? Good god man...you wearing your tin foil hat? :)
Gore certainly seems to be the unifying force among Democrats.
What do you think it would take to convince Gore to run? He seems to have no desire to be a candidate at this point.
I wouldn't run if I was Gore.
He's got some money now, he has a faithful following, he is doing good work, people like him.
What would benefit him if he runs for president, whether he wins or not? If he wins, King of the World? Do you really think he cares at this point. He went through a pretty bad process running and winning/losing in 2000. Maybe after what he has been able to do in the last couple of years he no longer wants political office. It could happen.
Oh, it's not about him, it's about "the people". He needs to sacrifice and run for office for the people. Tell us why he should run for president to help the people.
It's about the people and about the country. I firmly believe Al Gore has the best shot at unifying the people of this nation. He has the necessary experience to lead this country and to begin cleaning up the mess Bush created.
Sadly, I do not think he will be convinced to run.
If there's one thing Gore probably learned in politics, it's that politicians are the humble servants of rich men. Maybe, now that he's a rich man himself, he realizes that now he has real power. So why put himself through the agony of a presidential campaign--a process he clearly detests--only, if he's successful, to become a servant again?
Sadly, I do not think he will be convinced to run.
I'm afraid that's the case, too.
But maybe when Ol' Fred gets in, Gore will listen to his better angels and heed the call to public service one more time, for the children!
I'm trying to convince him. I'm just one little voter but I sent him a letter (rec'd a polite reply) and also signed the petition at draftgore.com.
I just hung up with spending a long time with folks as the USDA and how our protections have been hijacked by special interests.
OH, PLEASE Mr. Gore, WE NEED YOU!!! I promise to work hard for you.
Time for a COOL change,
Gore
2008
Superman wears Al Gore pajamas.
Um, Alex Jones is crazy.
Ok, lets say he is. Do you think the 911 familes and widows are too?http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481&q=911&total=69860&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3
Do you know how a piece of concrete can go through another piece of concrete as fast as it would through air (WTC 1 fell in 10 sec)? Do you think building seven fell the way the NIST told you it did? Do you know what 33degree mason does? Do you what the "all seeing eye" and latin on our money means? Do you know why the Federal Reserve came to be in 1913?
Yes it's crazy, now prove it's not true.
Yes it's crazy, now prove it's not true.
Spoken like a good Creationist.
Seems it's easier to be liked when you're a non-candidate.
I like Gore, but the fact remains he had a golden opportunity in 2000 and came up short. Has he learned how to run a campaign in the last 7 years?
Brian A.
I'd rather be cycling.
Per NIST:
I'm pretty much with bizgrrl.
I, like factchecker, agree with bizgirl about Gore, but I still hope he has a change of heart and runs. This a time the nation could really use him.
Adrift in the Sea of Humility
Per NIST:
From video evidence, significant portions of the cores of both buildings (roughly 60 stories of WTC 1 and 40 stories of WTC 2) are known to have stood 15 to 25 seconds after collapse initiation before they, too, began to collapse. Neither the duration of the seismic records nor video evidence (due to obstruction of view caused by debris clouds) are reliable indicators of the total time it took for each building to collapse completely.
The NIST is right about the core still briefly "being" there, but not about the speed. Link...
before they, too, began to collapse.
They collapse alright, straight down - in the path of most resistance.
How do you explain these buildings not disintegrating? Link...
Why didn't this plane disintegrate like the Pentagon crash (tail section and fuselage intact)? Link...
Why didn't the Windsor in Spain "free fall" after 20hrs of burning in 2005? Link...
Link...
Link...
"They collapse alright, straight down - in the path of most resistance."
I really haven't watched the collapse of the buildings extensively, but could this explain how it could have occurred:
The weight of the upper floors could actually accelerate the speed of the falling floors below them. Once the building began to fall, as the heavier weight of the upper floors slammed into the next lower floor, it would result in a downward explosion. The downward explosion would clear a path for the rest of the debris, allowing it to free fall.
Adrift in the Sea of Humility
Please stop this paranoid nonsense. In nearly every post on this site, you have insisted on spewing these irrational and thoroughly debunked fantasies.
You demonstrate exactly zero understanding of physics and exactly zero common sense. With every post, you continue to make yourself look like a fool, and you degrade the quality of dialogue on this site.
Stop it.
Please take this delusional nonsense somewhere else. Your rantings have nothing to do with Knoxville, or politics, or reality.
Anyone tempted to believe the "Average Guy" who paints himself as a latter-day Guy Fawkes should read this in its entirety:
That's you in a nutshell. Your under-medicated rants about 9/11, the Freemasons, and the Federal Reserve add nothing to the discussion here, but instead serve only to poison the waters of rational thought.
--Socialist With A Gold Card
"I'm a socialist with a gold card. I firmly believe we need a revolution; I'm just concerned that I won't be able to get good moisturizer afterwards." -- Brett Butler
conspiracy
Dictionary.com defines it this way
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
Link...
19 jihadist's in a cave = more than 2 people.
Besides Popular Mechanics and the Government, can you provide me with a few other links? Maybe humor me with an answer to any of the last three questions in my previous post.
Socialist With A Gold Card - that's certainly what you sound like. Inclusive while exclusive.
I will not play Whack-A-Mole with a lunatic, nor will I "play nice" on this subject.
Your unmedicated paranoia does great damage to the memories of the people who died on 9/11. You mock them with your delusions. Stop it.
The Popular Mechanics article addresses your lies about the free-fall rates of the buildings. I suggest you read it.
--Socialist With A Gold Card
"I'm a socialist with a gold card. I firmly believe we need a revolution; I'm just concerned that I won't be able to get good moisturizer afterwards." -- Brett Butler
Stop It? Bet you were fun on a road trip in a car as a kid. MOM!, my brother the Commie with a Green Card won’t stop touching me!
On a scale of 1 to 10, how do you currently rate your government? Why does the anointed one, Hillary, get trounced at the top of this page? People know there is something very wrong with their government, but most aren’t sure to what extent. Why would you destroy the Constitution if your goal wasn’t to circumvent and hide from it?
I asked you to cite a source other than Popular Mechanics? Popular Mechanics has been debunked by every other site I’ve come across. Just give me three others. I would like to have them for reference.
Can I not believe my eyes? Obviously, you did not take the short time to actually see for yourself. Link...
Are there case studies where physical models have been made, and then been able to duplicate what happened that day?
Do you believe that this has happened though out history or not?
Your source; Instability makes most of us uncomfortable; we prefer to imagine we live in a predictable, safe world, so in a strange way, some conspiracy theories offer us accounts of events that allow us to retain a sense of safety and predictability.
Safe and predictable - how is the weather in your world? If you would like to refute one specific thing without referencing PM, I will gladly answer it.
Please, y'all knock it off. What does this have to do with Al Gore?
I would give anything for Gore to run, that would ENSURE a repub win in 2008. You guys don't have a very good pulse on American attitudes and direction.
As an Independent voter, I’m not so sure about that. While I personally find him hard to listen to and fear the extent to which he would impose his environmental standards – if the election were today, he’d have my vote.
But until then, I like the message of Ron Paul. His take on Roe v Wade is off, but that isn't changing anyway.
I told you I will not play Whack-A-Mole with you. That is not the purpose of this site, nor is it a productive use of my time. This will be my one and only substantive reply to your psychosis:
First, the BBC did a program debunking your nonsense. The video link is on the page.
Next, see the "Criticism" section of this article, as well as the footnotes at the end. One of them points here, which you should spend some time thinking about.
Then there's this, and this, and this, and this, just for starters.
Your persistent assault on common sense and actual science is just as offensive as the Bush administration's perversion of science for its own ends. You and he are peas in a pod, and I will not waste another moment on your toxic perversion.
I knew two people who died in Tower Two. You offend and dishonor their memory by perverting the facts of their deaths to suit your delusional view of history. That's why I responded to your lies to begin with (along with the fact that no one on this site had done so), but this is the only time I'll address you on the subject.
You do realize this was a work of fiction, don't you?
--Socialist With A Gold Card
"I'm a socialist with a gold card. I firmly believe we need a revolution; I'm just concerned that I won't be able to get good moisturizer afterwards." -- Brett Butler
I’m going to respect the BLOG owner’s wishes. You see it how you see it.
I hope your right.
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