Thu
Aug 2 2007
12:33 pm
By: R. Neal

C.E. Petro names names of the Democrats who voted against it.

captainkona's picture

Good timing...

According to the Blog Wire, we posted at exactly the same time. :)

Thanx for the heads up on the Dems that voted with the Pigs.
Just more Scum to replace with real Democrats.

I never thought Heath Shuler would turn out to be such a punk.
Oh well, I guess some Dems prefer to spend their careers on their knees. They will soon be searching for jobs.


"The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open."

CBT's picture

Assuming it passes in the

Assuming it passes in the Senate, with 225-204, they can't override a veto.

The $47 Billion expansion comes from 45 cents/pack increase in the federal tax on cigarretes, so the article says. So, smokers would get a double-whammy in Tennessee, right? Is there any unfunded part of this bill, money the state has to come up with? Who would manage this new program in Tennessee?

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Funding mechanisms

"The $47 Billion expansion comes from 45 cents/pack increase in the federal tax on cigarretes, so the article says. So, smokers would get a double-whammy in Tennessee, right? Is there any unfunded part of this bill, money the state has to come up with?"

Yes, Chad--the House version passed proposes a 45 cent per pack increase (for a $47.8 billion expansion) and the Senate version pending proposes a 61 cent per pack increase (for a $35 to $60 billion expansion), both over five years, per my National PTA newsletter.

The balance of funding would come from "a phaseout of overpayments to private Medicare Advantage plans" and the program is a "state-federal partnership," also per PTA.

I am persuaded by the fact that two organizations I depend on for thorough research of pending legislation, namely National PTA and League of Women Voters-U.S., are strongly supporting these bills.

Still, I question the underlying funding mechanism for either bill and I'd like to know more. I had the same reservation for Tennessee's recent BEP overhaul in that it, too, funded ongoing expense (education) with a source of revenue we should hope will decrease over time (taxes on smokers).

I am, however, a "Marxist socialist" without qualms for the implementation of government healthcare plans. ;-)

National PTA's "This Week in Washington" newsletter for July 31 here: (link...)

bizgrrl's picture

To help pay for the SCHIP

To help pay for the SCHIP increase, Democrats dipped into federal payments to Medicare HMOs, which they argue drive up premiums for the elderly in traditional Medicare by inflating the cost of care. Officials estimate the government pays an average of 12 percent more to these private plans than it does for traditional coverage.
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10 Democrats — including conservatives whose districts have high concentrations of seniors participating in Medicare HMOs — broke with their leaders to oppose it.

What is the deal here? Anyone have the specifics?
Why do some seniors have Medicare HMOs vs traditional Medicare?

Tamara Shepherd's picture

?

I'd have to lose an hour to answer that one, myself, M. That aspect of SCHIP funding I thought sounded a little like robbing Peter to pay...Peter Jr.

Virgil Proudfoot's picture

Medicare HMOs

Medicare HMOs are a sinister Republican/DLC plot to privatize Medicare by attracting healthier seniors away from traditional Medicare and into private plans, funded by the govt. Once the social solidarity built into traditional Medicare is destroyed, it will be easier to kill the whole program. By the way, it costs the govt. more to fund these private plans than to provide traditional Medicare; it's just another gift to the insurance lobbies, who line the politicians' pockets so handsomely.

I'm glad to see the Dems trying to at least partially defund these things; they're a horrible scam against seniors and everybody else.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Thanks, Virgil

Thanks, Virgil. If that's the case, I can support the "funding swap" between Medicare HMOs and SCHIP.

Now, what about using this other slippery funding source (taxes on smokers) to fund a long-term, hopefully permanent, insurance program (SCHIP)?

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