Thu
Aug 2 2007
08:09 am
By: Carole Borges
While this at first sounded pretty alarming, especially with an influx of Iraqi refugees about to come to America, the evidence that these gangs are a huge problem seems a bit thin. Only 3 examples. It doesn't say how many Kurdish youth there are that belong to the gang. These could be isolated incidences. I can see the logic behind them grouping together. Attacks and ethnic hatred against Middle Easterners is at an all time high. It could be a growing problem though. I guess we will just to wait and see...
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Ever met a kurd?
I have. Some of the most vile, racist human beings I've ever had the displeasure of coming in contact with. It's no wonder they immediately begin abusing this country when allowed to come here.
Don't believe me? Ask a Sunni or a Turk.
"The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open."
if we were so vile and racist then we wouldnt be here!!!!
First of all no one is as humble as us kurds...we want nothing but peace and settle for nothing but that!!! Turks on the other hand are vile and racist not only amongst others but themselves as well...what other country in the world won't let there citizens name there kids whatever they want...eat whatever they want...wear whatever they want...non other then Turkey...so it sounds like your a kid and does not have your story straight...please when leaving a comment first check up on what your writing because you sound like someone that doesn't know where his story is!!!make sure you know what your writing is true before you write it!!!!
I'm a true Kurd
You can NOT just imidialty judge everyone because of one idiot, everyone has their bad and their good, i could say alot about all these other racis but i do not have the right to judge the rest of them. You have no met a real kurd who is proud of being a kurd and someone who stands for rights there is alot more to kurds then what you see or hear or come in contact with one person who might have done something wrong towards you or anyone, like i said, i could say alot from what has happened and what i've seen with my own eyes and unlike some uneducated people who judge the rest of the kind because of ones bad behavior, and for you to say ask a sunni or a turk, you have no idea of the history of what really goes on back there in middle east and how the kurds are being treated by the rest of the world, do your homework and do a history check then you can come up on here and judge us if you dare to find out the real truth about kruds.....
Carole, What's your basis
Carole,
What's your basis for saying, "Attacks and ethnic hatred against Middle Easterners is at an all time high"?
And, while I know that journalists and officials are prone to exaggeration, three incidents of arrests/convictions is different from a string of incidents/crimes for which there have not been any arrests, don't you think?
No comment on the overgeneralization of "open-minded" "captainkona"?
I'm a bit surprised you aren't already aware of this.
Just Google the phrase-hate crimes against Muslims. I have heard so many interviews on NPR about the awful experiences of Muslims here, one of them especially sad, involving Muslim childen being bullied by classmates and called "rugheads" in school.
I've also since 9-11 heard frequent speeches and pleas by numerous members of the Muslim community asking for fair-mindedness when it comes to hate against Muslims in America.
If you watch the news regularly or CSPAN, you'll see evidence of an increased hatred and fear of Muslims after 9/11.
Here are only a few samples expressing concern. Also the right-wing radical evangelicals are always spouting off about Islamic-fascists. Some one using this unfair hatred and fear of Muslims even tried to make B. Obama's attendance at a Muslim school a big issue.
These things are all over the place really.
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attacks
Why should we fear Muslims? What have they ever done to us?
hmmm... Oh well I guess that was just an isolated incident.
By the same logic....
...I should wear my full-body armor into any U. S. abortion clinic, lest Christians with pipe bombs are lurking.
One never knows, do one? --Fats Waller
Risks
You have a better chance of getting plowed down by a drunk driver coming home from a bar than being killed in a gang attack.
We see a whole lot of histrionics and exaggerations in the media. Gangs are real, and they are a threat, if in your immediate neighborhood, OR you are an opposing member.
But, we forget about the garden variety risks we are exposed to everyday. More people are killed in Knoxville by vehicles than by people.
Why should we fear Muslims?
We shouldn't fear Muslims. For God's sake, let's not become a nation that lumps all people together whenever fear strikes. GWB would have us all hate everyone, except maybe him and Dick Cheney. That way, these insane paranoid military adventures that give them their jollies can go on and on. Just because some Baptists hand their kids rattlesnakes to test their faith, we don't assume all Baptists are heartless and crazy.
Most Muslims are just like you or me, and their religion is not as the propaganda machine has portrayed it--violent and ugly. It's a very conservative religion, too conservative and restrictive for my taste, but ordinary Muslims believe in many of the the same things Christians do. When examined all religions are pretty much the same. The root of all of them lies in God and godliness. It's the branches that get kind of erratic.
Don't forget that there have been many crazy Christian sects too, some have even ended in near-slavery and murder. The screwy Morman sect for instance that marries off young girls to old men or the Jim Jones poison Kool-Aid crowd that was coaxed into killing their children because they feared the authorities would stop them from practicing religion the way they wanted.
Religion seems to have this dual nature. When used for good it is a beautiful thing that creates peace and harmony and caring. When it runs amok it becomes something evil. Churches leaders have to be very careful not to get drunk on power. It can lead to egomania. It can lead innocent people to denounce others. It can lead to distorted thinking.
The word demonize is a religious term. The Bush administration has helped demonize members of Islam. Many people will rankle at this, but being a Muslim is no different really than being a Christian.
There are good and bad in both.
Commonality
"Many people will rankle at this, but being a Muslim is no different really than being a Christian."
Thanks, Carole. Personally, I don't mind to capitalize both. Seems to me that the content of these dogmas is less relevant than the intent of their practictioners. We all have in common a little reverence, a little humility...
You're right Tamara
We all have much more in common than we realize.
Fill in the blank
Ever met a "___________"?
I have. Some of the most vile, racist human beings I've ever had the displeasure of coming in contact with. It's no wonder they immediately begin abusing this country when allowed to come here.
Possible answers:
white person,catholic,jew,baptist,black person, yellow person,indian,sikh,american......
Ha! Ha! Exactly!
That was a wonderfully roomy blank space...
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Sorry guys, my PC regulator must have gone haywire there for a minute.
How much of the violence
How much of the violence perpetrated throughout Africa is being done by people claiming to be Christians and even including the word Christian in the name of their paramilitary organizations?
I try not to be the too stereotypical modern atheist, but I really am sick of so much of the world's hurt happening because of people who want to force us all to obey their particular dogmas.
Here's something I agree with wholeheartedly:
But let's not only point our fingers at the christians and muslims or religion in general. How many have been slaughtered in the name of secular dogmas? Socialism/Communism, Fascism, Tribalism, Nationalism, Racism, even in the name of democracy? Any group that claims the right to punish others for believing differently or refusing to follow that group's vision of what utopia is supposed to look like is danger and a pox on all of us. The particular "ism" is just the excuse. The disease itself is more basic and and more fundamentally human.
We should never believe so strongly in our own correctness that we would deny others the right to disagree or to live differently.