The KNS has a follow up article on Commissioner Mark Harmon's excellent summary of last night's County Commission meeting and the vote on the TIF for the Sentinel Tower project.
The money quote, from Commissioner Pinkston: "When you think what this might bring to downtown Knoxville, I'm going to vote for it. This may be the jumpstart the city of Knoxville needs."
Hahahaha. Doesn't that guy read Metro Pulse? How many "jump starts" is it going to take? Downtown ought to be hopping like a frog on a hot griddle by now.
And no one has mentioned the irony that the KNS scored huge tax breaks (don't recall the exact figure, but wasn't it somewhere around $5 million?) to move its operations... out of downtown!
And check out the roster of usual suspects looking for another handout from taxpayers. Isn't the City of Knoxville already paying out $10 or $11 million a year in debt service on that empty Convention Center that some of those guys made a bundle on? My, my, all these low tax, less government Republicans looking for another handout from taxpayers.
It seems like nobody can turn a shovel of dirt downtown without a TIF or some other kind of public assistance. Too bad failing schools or folks without health insurance can't get that kind of public assistance.
And one more thing. Has the EPA or TDEC or anybody inspected that former News Sentinel site for contamination from all the chemicals used in the printing business all those years? That could be a ticking time bomb. If it goes off, will the developers come back and ask the taxpayers to clean it up? Either way, just hope they don't dump it in a South Knox sinkhole.
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... TIF for the Sentinel
... TIF for the Sentinel Tower project.
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Has the EPA or TDEC or anybody inspected that Sentinel site for ground pollution from all the ink and chemicals used in the printing business all those years? ...
I wondered if that was the reason they got such a large, long TIF. Perhaps the cleanup will be expensive.
worth noting
after reading the article in the N-S, that John Valliant, attorney for the Devon group, happens to be a politico himself - in the same bed with Moore, I. Harmon, Hutchison, et al.
I tend to agree with Randy's
I tend to agree with Randy's comments on jumpstarts. Reminds me of what I hear about 'turning the corner in Iraq'...we've turned so many corners I have no idea where we are.
Same principle here...I'm getting weary of the rubber stamp for PILOT and TIF that both commission and council throw about like so much confetti. When will the regular joe or jane get a break like this?
Corporate Welfare?
I'm trying to figure out what the big deal is about the granting of TIF in this case. No one other than the group to which the RFP was awarded chose to bid on the project and the winning group cited the need for the TIF to make the numbers work...right?
So the alternative is to not award the TIF, forget the development and forego the incremental sales tax revenue and economic impact thereby allowing the developers to focus on other, sprawl exacerbating development?
What am I missing?
Thanks,
Bill
I don't get it
It seems like nobody can turn a shovel of dirt downtown without a TIF or some other kind of public assistance. Too bad failing schools or folks without health insurance can't get that kind of public assistance.
Different problems have different means of being addressed. A TIF essentially pays itself off through a tax stream that didn't exist before it was employed. I'm not sure how that strategy could be applied to schools or folks without health insurance. It really sounds like apples and oranges to me.
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Tax streams
A TIF essentially pays itself off through a tax stream that didn't exist before it was employed
Well the 8.2 million dollar question is where would the money go if it weren't being spent on a .5M condo? A new home in Knox County or a yacht in the Bahamas? There's this assumption that the money is being created out of thin air but if there is a real demand for homes or offices it will be filled without giving up the potential tax.
And I don't buy the statement that all the high rises were built with TIFs. I don't think TIFs even existed during the Butcher days. Were they used for the Bank building next to 1st Baptist?
Doesn't anyone consider that the occupants of these homes and businesses will need County services like everyone else? They'll marry and divorce and sue and be sued and maybe even commit crimes or attract criminals to their high dollar cars. Where's the money to pay for day to day expenses? What if tower residents are overcome with the romantic view from their windows and 6 years later we have children to educate? Do we create a special TIF academy with the developer footing the bill because those taxes have been going to his debt service?
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TIFs weren't used in the
TIFs weren't used in the Ashe administation (maybe at the very end, I'm not sure). Victor and Carlene had a running battle about whether they were legal (as I understand it, it's not strictly legal for a municipality to engage in a TIF with a private developer, which is why the IDB is used - somebody correct me if I'm wrong). I've still got the minutes of one of their "discussions" in a Council meeting around here somewhere.
In some cases, I think TIFs are great. They do sometimes "make the #s work" and allow development that would not otherwise be possible. The developer makes a profit, the community gets a development, and the city/county eventually get tax revenue that wouldn't otherwise exist if the property were undeveloped.
That said, I think the use of TIFs needs careful scrutiny. They shouldn't just be handed out like candy. They should be used when the #s really won't work otherwise, for the minimum # of years necessary, and if the development really is something that will benefit the community (and not just with tax $$). Otherwise, not so much.