Last year, in Virginia some state legislator tried legislating miscarriages. A woman had 24 hours to report a miscarriage or go to jail and be fined. There was such a huge outcry over the heinous piece of legislation that it was withdrawn.

Here's a couple of words--small government...personal liberty...healthcare privacy

http://www.herstonlaw.com/

Yes, guys, you should be responsible for paying child support for the next 18 years if you get a girl pregnant. That's called taking responsibility for your actions, and it's the risk you take for not following the first two words above. Even if for some reason the contraception fails you still took that risk. You don't get the easy way out, you stand up like a man for what you did.

Yes, but what if the woman doesn't want to carry the baby to term? What if she doesn't want to have your child? What then? It's not all a matter of fatherhood and financial support.

So you make abortion "illegal." What then? Do you start putting women in jail for deciding to have one performed?

You realize, of course, that illegalizing abortion won't stop the practice. It will simply make it inconvenient, expensive, and dangerous.

Of course this affects men. Men have no choice whatsover but to keep it in their pants. Why don't people tell women that?

See, this is the sort of simple-minded garbage that this whole pro-life charade is built upon. It's about wanting to control what women can and can't do with their own bodies.

If you want to abstain from sex, CrimsonNape, that's your choice. Or maybe it isn't, I don't know. Really, it's not any of my business what you do. But if you do, you can deal with the consequences any way you see fit.

See? THAT'S personal responsibility. Personal responsbility doesn't come from some legislator telling you how you have to deal with an unplanned or unwanted pregnancy. Responsibility is all about owning your own choices and being OK by them. It isn't some finger-wagging parental surrogate telling someone how they need to live.

The law really has no business here. Legislating responsibility out of a narrow set of "moral" codes is a bankrupt idea, and it has failed miserably time and again throughout human history. It's a nice thing to get up on the soap box about, and it motivates some people to vote certain ways, but in the end, it's all about posturing and the desire to appear holy / holier.

I have no doubts that people hold strong opinions about this, but for me, it comes down to this: If you don't want an abortion, don't get one. It's that simple.

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So, the pro-life position is this: Women should only have the right to engage in sexual activity so long as they're willing to bear children to term. Men should have the option to have as much sex as they want, with as many partners as they want, and impregnate as many as they can, *and* have the right to select which children that they want brought to term and under what conditions.

Sounds like one half of the species here is afforded a lot more "choice," both practically and biologically.

Surber is arguing that if a man gets a woman pregnant, then he should be entitled to veto rights over a woman bearing his child, or, alternatively, be allowed to walk away without paying child support, because that violates his reproductive freedom. Well, since he thinks that this is so impractical, then the only logical decision is to end abortion rights entirely. If you can't extend equal abortion privilege to a man in the equation, then the woman should lose her rights (or be forced to bear the expense of having that child on her own).

He conveniently overlooks another option. Maybe you can extend abortion rights to men, provided that women then be given the right to force a man to have a vasectomy (or provide proof of infertility) as a sexual prerequisite.

Think men would ever allow that to happen?
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