Wed
Mar 8 2006
09:26 am

As I posted the other day, TN's SJR127 is a bill aimed at changing the state's constitution in order to ban abortions.  The second reading took place Monday evening.  The third reading will take place tomorrow.  Should this final reading pass, it will then go to the House.

What surprised me, and has me deeply saddened, is this post in which Eaglia points to and highlights a commenter:

Yesterday, MzNicky wrote in the comments that when she called her state senator about SJR 127 - the effort to eliminate abortion rights in Tennessee - she was told that she was the first and only one of the senator's constituents to voice an opinion on the subject.

I know we are all busy, but to what end will we allow the state of Tennessee to take away our sexual autonomy?  As several of the big-boy bloggers have pointed out, laws like this will have a severe impact on the men as well.  Just think about it, for a sec, guys.  Think about paying child support for the next 18 years, just for a night in the sack. 

It takes less than 5 minutes to make a phone call, and even less time to send an email.  It's time for all Tennesseans to stand up and do what's right.  Tennesse women are not brood mares, they are human beings entitled to independence, and our legislature must be told to stop this foolishness. 

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R. Neal's picture

There was also discussion

There was also discussion about the "rape exclusion", and whether it would be effective if you have to wait for a conviction, or if all you have to do is make the allegation and name the accused whether it would result in a lot of false accusations.

metulj's picture

Then there are miscarriages.

Then there are miscarriages. My wife, a fairly devout Catholic, is absolutely dead on when she says that the fundos will start questioning every miscarriage. Under their logic you will be considered an aborter if you don't carry to term and be required to show proof that you did not abort and the miscarriage was "real." Paranoid?

CE Petro's picture

Some Have Tried

Last year, in Virginia some state legislator tried legislating miscarriages. A woman had 24 hours to report a miscarriage or go to jail and be fined. There was such a huge outcry over the heinous piece of legislation that it was withdrawn.

metulj's picture

Miscarriages

Yep. My wife missed her period and then had another on the next cycle. Should she report that she may have had an fertilized egg embed, but subsequently sloughed off? Her body rejected the embryo. Is she a murderer? She got really stressed at work and got her period. Does this mean her employer is culpable in re the spontaneous abortion because they created a stressful situation?

Barry's picture

Hmmm

Just think about it, for a sec, guys. Think about paying child support for the next 18 years, just for a night in the sack.

Here's a word - Contraception. Here's another word - Abstinence. Here's a couple of words - personal responsibility.

Yes, guys, you should be responsible for paying child support for the next 18 years if you get a girl pregnant. That's called taking responsibility for your actions, and it's the risk you take for not following the first two words above. Even if for some reason the contraception fails you still took that risk. You don't get the easy way out, you stand up like a man for what you did.

My wife, a fairly devout Catholic, is absolutely dead on when she says that the fundos will start questioning every miscarriage.

Wow, your wife is that prescient? Can she tell me if UT's going to win the SEC tournament this weekend?

KO's picture

I have a few

Here's a couple of words--small government...personal liberty...healthcare privacy

http://www.herstonlaw.com/

WhitesCreek's picture

I made my call and the young

I made my call and the young woman in Senator Kilby's office seemed to want me to talk directly to him. I left my number for him to call.

 Bottom line is that this is a very divisive issue that should not be decided by the likes of the Tennessee legislature, alot of whom don't exactly have a stellar past and some have a fairly dark future, judging by the number of investigations going on.

Personal decisions must be left to each of us to follow our own conscience.

 

So there!

CrimsonNape's picture

Legislature

Of course this affects men. Men have no choice whatsover but to keep it in their pants. Why don't people tell women that? Is it that hard for them to control their sexual urges? Maybe they'll start a baby give away program like Ohio. Men don't have to be notified if a woman gives away their baby and they are not married. Naturally ,this keeps the man from having to pay child support which seems to be a big concern.

Andy Axel's picture

Yes, guys, you should be

Yes, guys, you should be responsible for paying child support for the next 18 years if you get a girl pregnant. That's called taking responsibility for your actions, and it's the risk you take for not following the first two words above. Even if for some reason the contraception fails you still took that risk. You don't get the easy way out, you stand up like a man for what you did.

Yes, but what if the woman doesn't want to carry the baby to term? What if she doesn't want to have your child? What then? It's not all a matter of fatherhood and financial support.

So you make abortion "illegal." What then? Do you start putting women in jail for deciding to have one performed?

You realize, of course, that illegalizing abortion won't stop the practice. It will simply make it inconvenient, expensive, and dangerous.

Of course this affects men. Men have no choice whatsover but to keep it in their pants. Why don't people tell women that?

See, this is the sort of simple-minded garbage that this whole pro-life charade is built upon. It's about wanting to control what women can and can't do with their own bodies.

If you want to abstain from sex, CrimsonNape, that's your choice. Or maybe it isn't, I don't know. Really, it's not any of my business what you do. But if you do, you can deal with the consequences any way you see fit.

See? THAT'S personal responsibility. Personal responsbility doesn't come from some legislator telling you how you have to deal with an unplanned or unwanted pregnancy. Responsibility is all about owning your own choices and being OK by them. It isn't some finger-wagging parental surrogate telling someone how they need to live.

The law really has no business here. Legislating responsibility out of a narrow set of "moral" codes is a bankrupt idea, and it has failed miserably time and again throughout human history. It's a nice thing to get up on the soap box about, and it motivates some people to vote certain ways, but in the end, it's all about posturing and the desire to appear holy / holier.

I have no doubts that people hold strong opinions about this, but for me, it comes down to this: If you don't want an abortion, don't get one. It's that simple.

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WhitesCreek's picture

No one is "PRO" abortion.

No one is "PRO" abortion. But no one has the right to tell anyone else whether they can or cannot have an abortion. How do we justify telling the victim of a rape or incest that they will be forced to bear a child because someone else thinks they should?

 And frankly, I don't believe abstinence is a viable choice for a couple of reasons...I try to think back when I was in the throes of early manhood and I have accepted that sex is not a choice. It's a drive. (Don't force me to belabor that for you folks...It'll be too much information, I promise, and you all know what I mean, anyway!)

 We have the right to make our own decisions and that's that!

 

CrimsonNape's picture

More

Oh, I'm all for personal responsibility. I'm also for equality between the sexes. How come the same rhetoric doesn't apply to women? I've always supported my children (at least the ones I know of) which is more than I can say for the mothers (at least the ones I know of) of my children.

 If it's all about this: It's about wanting to control what women can and can't do with their own bodies. Why are so many feminists against strippers, prostitution, etc.? Can't these women do what they want with their own bodies? I'd dance around in a g-string for $1,000 bucks a night (ugh).

 Some women think sperm donors should pay child support. Talk about personal responsibility.

Well, I'm off to commit acts of violence by looking at pictures of the Swedish Bikini Team. Apparently, these women shouldn't be allowed to do what they wish with their bodies either.

metulj's picture

Hypothetical

An doctors office catches on fire. Inside is a two year-old in the waiting room and an embryo in vitro. You can only save one because of time. Which do you save?

CrimsonNape's picture

Men's Role

Perspective on men's rights in all of this.

Andy Axel's picture

Bizarre

So, the pro-life position is this: Women should only have the right to engage in sexual activity so long as they're willing to bear children to term. Men should have the option to have as much sex as they want, with as many partners as they want, and impregnate as many as they can, *and* have the right to select which children that they want brought to term and under what conditions.

Sounds like one half of the species here is afforded a lot more "choice," both practically and biologically.

Surber is arguing that if a man gets a woman pregnant, then he should be entitled to veto rights over a woman bearing his child, or, alternatively, be allowed to walk away without paying child support, because that violates his reproductive freedom. Well, since he thinks that this is so impractical, then the only logical decision is to end abortion rights entirely. If you can't extend equal abortion privilege to a man in the equation, then the woman should lose her rights (or be forced to bear the expense of having that child on her own).

He conveniently overlooks another option. Maybe you can extend abortion rights to men, provided that women then be given the right to force a man to have a vasectomy (or provide proof of infertility) as a sexual prerequisite.

Think men would ever allow that to happen?
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