well.

You were playing the winger talking point that tries to make progressive a bad word. You guys managed to make liberal bad, even it meant putting down the very philosophy of Jesus. This is all an attempt to keep from having to attack progressive philosophy independantly by just claiming it's another word for liberal. It ain't.

I know that conservatives aren't going to think about any of this but other folks will so here:

The term "progressive" is today often used in place of "liberal". Although the two are related in some ways, they are separate and distinct political ideologies. According to John Halpin, senior advisor on the staff of the Center for American Progress, "Progressivism is an orientation towards politics, It's not a long-standing ideology like liberalism, but an historically-grounded concept... that accepts the world as dynamic." Progressives see progressivism as an attitude towards the world of politics that is broader than conservatism vs. liberalism, and as an attempt to break free from what they consider to be a false and divisive dichotomy.

Here's a short piece that may enlighten...At least scroll down to the comparison of philosophies toward the bottom.

Progressivism

but now i am quite confused.

I believe you are conflating "conservative" with "Republican." It is possible to be a conservative without being a liar, but not if you are also a Republican. I would say Republicans are completely full of shit, but that implies too much solidity where there are only fumes.

Wikipedia has moved to moderate changes. As you suggest M, I have seen bogus postings which were subsequently corrected. It is still by far the best source of information I've found.

Rikki, I've come to an inescapable conclusion that the conservative case cannot be made with facts. I do know relatively honest conservatives, but I play the "How long can they go without telling a falsehood" game with them. Barry Goldwater was an example, and he disowned the republican conservatives as you suggest.

TS, I think those with liberal capabilities see the world as a fascinating place and science as far more intriguing than supernatural fantasies. It is the liberal pursuit of science that is intended to make it expainable. The conservative attacks on science are refusals to deal with facts that require additional though or the changing of one's mind. When confronted with evidence that one is wrong, a liberal tends to say, "Wow!" and a conservative tends to say, "No I'm not." and attack the source.

Of course you're confused, jBark...That's what we've been trying to tell you.

The conservative attacks on science are refusals to deal with facts that require additional though or the changing of one's mind

I'm sure you have heard the phrase, "Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind's made up."

If that doesn't describe the Mutton Dagger in Chief, what does?

The Hill Online

I thought it came about after the Republicans took over the White House, then the world, then everyone's good old commmon sense. The Republicans started bashing liberal Democrats over the head with the word LIBERAL. Fox News did a bang-up job of blasting people with the term, along with a disdainful sneer, or sometimes even outrage on their face. The Democrats then became wimps and started backing away from the term like it meant Satanic or something. I remember wondering why people didn't just stand proud and say the were liberal and proud of it, but few did. I don't know who first started using the term progressive, but it seemed like it was a word less loaded with old baggage, so the Democrats started embracing it.

Today I head a guy on Fix News sneering about Hillary and how she wanted to provide EVERYONE with health care. It was so hard to believe he was saying this as some kind of proof she had lost her mental marbles.

God save us all, if everyone in this country actually had affordable healthcare! What would come next? A good education for everyone?