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Alec Baldwin, Parental Alienation, and something positive
Submitted by DavidLeeHiker on Thu, 2007/04/26 - 3:08am.
Dr Phil said several things on Larry King about Baldwin's tirade that I hadn't heard elsewhere. He said Baldwin while certainly in need of some parenting skills was clearly in pain. "He's frustrated." (I thought I could hear Baldwin's voice crack like he was about to cry.) We will never know the whole story, was another point made by Doc Phil.
One of the Baldwin brothers - when asked by Larry King - said that the Baldwin family hadn't seen much of the little girl, Ireland. Sad, as that's one family that seems decent.
Alec Baldwin absolutely loves his daughter and has a lot to say about the divorce industry. I look forward to his book coming in the fall.
I went through my own custody struggle in '02-'03 and spent $150,000 in attorney fees to prove I'm worthy of half my son's time. Daffy Duck would say, 'ridicerous.'
Anyway, I think we need some reform in Tennessee and that the place to start is the default co-parenting assumption of 50-50, absent some harmful circumstance. (A senate bill passed unanimously last year, and got about 40 votes in the General Assembly.).
Submitted by Carole Borges on Thu, 2007/04/26 - 7:38am.
There ought to be pledge when you get married that if you have children and get divorced you will never bad mouth the other parent for any reason.
Custody is one of the most painful things anyone has to go through. Unless proof of harm can be shown, all children should be able to love and respect both their parents.
It can be a very messy time though, and the poor kids have to stand in the center of two giant figures and view some pretty ugly stuff.
Grandparents also end up being alienated because some divorcing parents insist on them taking sides or else. Many grandparents can't even see their grandchildren because of divorce problems. Poor kids! The pain they suffer is so much more damaging than most of us realize. Divorce is often healthy and necessary, but when kids are involved both people should stand back and take a look at the long term consequences the children will face.
Yeah sure, easy to say huh?
I think kids feel like objects when everyone is trying so deperately to "get" them. The courts are no help. Lawyers cost a fortune. Also visitation should never be tied to child support. If your mom or dad can't keep a job there may be reasons, but losing a parent because they can't (not won't)keep up with support payments is a far greater tragedy. Not everything of value is tied to money. Some people can't keep jobs. That doesn't mean they can't contribute other services in kind. Being a single parent is hard, but much harder without the emotional support of the other parent.
It takes two good mature people putting the child's needs right next to their own to have a successful co-parenting experience. Unfortunately during such a major heartbreak we can all be less than we would like to be. In the end no matter what the court orders people usually have to work this out between themselves. It can take years to figure that out. In the meantime the kid feels like crap, has torn loyalties, and deep heartache. No matter how you slice it, divorce is usually an ugly business when there are kids involved.
I agree about the laws, but then the courts are usually pretty lame about enforcing them and some things are beyond the legal system.
Custody and divorce are issues no one wants to look into because there are so many questions and so few answers. It's all about people and people can be complex creatures.
I know mediation has helped in my family. We've had two divorces and both were ugly at first, but then settled into quite a workable arrangement for all people. The one thing we did manage to do was not alienate the kids from any of the parents or grandparents involved.
In spite of Baldwin's pain. What he said to his child was very cruel.No one has said if it was a one time explosion or just his way of doing things. If the kid really is scared of him (and she might be) then maybe visitation could be in short spurts and he should be required to seek help. Just because someone "pushes" your buttons, doesn't give you the right to degrade a child. Even ones that seem to desreve it.
I felt bad for Baldwin, really, really bad. I hope they all work it out somewhere down the road, but the scars will remain with everyone.
Submitted by Bbeanster on Sun, 2007/04/29 - 11:34am.
As a young, pretty immature, mother of two who was widowed at 23 before my son was even born, I had some tough times with my kids, and had to do much of my growing up at their expense. But I honestly cannot remember belittling either of them in that fashion. I listened to his explanation, but don't buy it. His apology was one of those bogus "I'm sorry if anyone was offended" bullcrap things that rapidly segued into a long "Poor me" vent.
Alex Baldwin shouldn't have taken out his frustrations on the kid. Verbal abuse can be as bad as physical abuse, and that little girl won't ever forget those words-- especially now that it was leaked to the media and the whole world is here to remind her.
Nasty, hateful stuff. She didn't exactly hit the jackpot when parents were handed out.
Submitted by Jean Merrill on Sun, 2007/04/29 - 9:11am.
As a mom I know parental alienation 1st hand. Of 3 daughters two have not seen nor spoken to me for 8 years. My remaining daughter was abandoned by her father and sisters because she chose to remain in contact with me. The message was clear. Have a relationship with your mother and your father will totally cut you off. These are not small children. They were 14 and 21 the last I saw them. Their sister was 17 the last they had a relationship with her.
A nationally know authority on parental alientation likens it to the STockholm Syndrome. Children may never have relationship with the alientated parent but if they do the advise is to treat them as though they have been held as a prisoner of war.
Of my three girls there is no doubt that the more stable, undamaged daughter is the one who chose not to be held prisoner.
There are several books giving the mother's version of being an aliented parent. One is ICE Bound, by Dr. Jerri Nielsen and A kidnapped Mind by Pamela Richardson.
This is not an isolated incidence of parental alienation. It is widespread and as Dr. Richard Gardner states, it's "the most incideous type of child abuse."
Submitted by Greg Eckenrode (not verified) on Mon, 2008/07/28 - 3:52pm.
I have been fighting for two years to get more time with my children. My ex has been using her attorney (with my child support) and the legal system to keep them away from me. She has had the children in "counseling" and tells them that they need to see thier father more. Then she and her attorney tell the courts that they are afraid of me and that I should have supervised visits. The courts took away any decision making power I had with my children, which pretty much did not exist already. Teh mother then said that if your dad wanted to see you all he would have to do is call the visitation center.
My ex and her attorney have put so much fear in my children that when they see me in public they run away screaming. When they recently ran into my new wife and son at a public pool they screamed, ran into the office and called the police and their mother.
The sad thing is that I have done nothing to these children but love them. I have purposely found a house that would allow my daughter to have her own room. I even allowed her to decorate it. My son and his new brother are the same age and quickly became best friends. But, my ex has found a way to make my children afraid of tehm.
I have stayed away from my children for their own good for the past 9 months, while making contact ocassionally. Each contact was met with a negative response from my daughter. As my wife would say she was really ugly towards me. When my mother and sister tried to reach out to the children they received the same treatment.
I hope that my children aren't too far gone to have a relationship with me. My son I believe wil be OK, but my daughter I feel is out of control. And it was the courts that allowed this to happen.
Submitted by Bey (not verified) on Thu, 2008/12/18 - 10:11am.
I share your experience.
I have not seen my daughter for almost 3 years now following a loving and wonderful relationship.
Except in my case, the genders are reversed which makes it much more difficult to restore the child's life to semi normal with proper visitations and shared parenting.
I am a resident of Westchester county, a county well known for gender bias.
While the alienation in my case was recognized by the court, both law guardian and judge opposed to "coerce" the 9 years old child to see her father as the mother alienated the child to such a degree that the child believed i betrayed her (having established a romantic relationship more than 2 1/2 years after separation) and claimed she refused to see me.
It is a crime to treat a child as a tool against a parent.
And this is exactly what my child's mom did and continues to do.
Now, i am being sued in support court for increase of support and child care because i am not parenting my child.
Mom is against, and interferes with, any attempt to re-unite our child with me.
This is a shame and reflects a legal system gone awry where children lose their parents and parents lose their children if family court.
I salute Larry King for having aired the interview with Alec Baldwin, a good father, who slipped once trying to walk the trecherous path of parenting while being alienated.
Let's hope this issue gains recognition sufficiently to raise public awareness of this cancerous phenomenon and the inability of our legal system to defend our children.
Submitted by redmondkr on Sun, 2007/04/29 - 1:28pm.
I saw one of my favorite people doing a stand-up routine on Bravo the other day. Whoopi Goldberg touched on words that were taboo, mentioning, among others, the "n" word. She talked about words that are considered perfectly acceptable in society but have far more devastating consequences than the banned ones.
One of the worst is the word "stupid". How many parents destroy a child's self esteem by shouting that word in a fit of anger? It is something that will never be forgotten and taking it back is like trying to un-ring a bell.
Submitted by visitor (not verified) on Thu, 2008/09/25 - 5:56pm.
It's amazingly frustrating to a parent to hear their own child make up excuses to duck out of visitation or scheduled phone calls, using the other parent's syntax and language nuances during the excuse. When the child ducks out of parenting time in exactly the manner that the other parent has set up for them to duck, it's very difficult not to respond to them with the same language that you've responded to the other parent when they initiated the slew of excuses. Especially if you're not even talking to the child and hearing their voice, but just leaving a voice mail.
And no widowed parent raising a child alone can know the pain of ahving that child intentionally turned against you by their other parent. It's simply the kind of thing that can make you snap. You don't want to say mean things to the kid, and never WOULD, but when the kid refuses to answer their own cellphone (and we know how kids are with thier cellphones, they answer EVERY call!), tells you that they'll hate you forever if you don't let them spend the weekend with their best friend, who is having a birthday THAT weekend (and apparently this best friend has a birthday EVERY weekend for the entire weekend when it's a weekend scheduled for a visit with the aliented parent.) When they give the other parents' logic that their extracurriculars, their parties, their friends' birthdays, their other parent's siblings, their cousins, their neighborhood covered dish dinners, are all of higher priority than Dad, and they are NEVER without a friend, cousin, extracurricular, party, dance, neighborhood covered dish on Dad's weekend. It's frustrating.
Parental alienation is real, and the alienated children are allowed to choose which parent they prefer to stay with. Gee... who will they choose? (Hint, it's the parent who has convinced them to treat the other parent with disrespect). We actually reward the person who engages in alienation by giving them more time with the child, more control over the child's time, more child support and the opportunity to stick it to their ex by continuing to come up with fresh new ways to have their own children reject them.
And I don't know of a single parent who has never snapped, even parents who are not divorced and not intentionally encouraging the children to be disrespectful to the other parent. Not a SINGLE one of us who could stand the scrutiny of a camera or tape recorder playing at all times. Sadly, Alec Baldwin's event took place on tape, and he's a star so people think it's newsworthy to spread it around and let everyone else hear HIS embarassing moment. But what person here could say THEY NEVER had an embarassing parent moment that they were glad was not on tape?
I don't care that Richard Gardner's personal life was not what some people think was worthy... the facts are that parental alienation exists, big time. It's practically encouraged in our society. We certainly do not encourage cooperative co-parenting, equal time with both parents, shared custody. We only end up with those FAIR treatments of the child's time when the parents are both willing to agree to it. And if they don't agree, we don't advise it. There is no reason for this other than simple bias against fathers.
The 1950 stereotype of a father as the man who goes to work, comes home, sits in an easy chair and has the wife bring him a drink while ignoring the children, is a long gone stereotype in the typical two parent family of today, but it lives on in the minds and prejudices of judges and the public. Single fathers are portrayed in the media as buffoons, fools like Mr. Mom or the bumbling sad sack on 2 & 1/2 men. Or like intimidating meanies who trash their children in a single voice mail message that gets repeated over and over around the world, courtesy of his ex deciding to leak it to the press.
But most fathers I know today are very involved with the kids on a daily basis if they are still together with the children's mothers, and devastated when their parenting time goes from 100% of all off hours (after school and after extracurricualrs) down to 10%, weekends and alternating holidays IF the mother can't find other things for the kids to do that are more important and the father is an evil meanie if he doesn't let the kid duck visitation. MOST fathers I know today are thought of as mean ONLY because they care about the kids' development and want to do homework with the kids, are forced into doing all the discipline (with the "just wait till your father gets home" threat), and are nowhere near the stereotypical fun-fun-fun disney dads that they are accused of being.
Most dads today have changed their fair share of diapers, done their fair share of dishes, vacuuming, cooking, shopping and burping, and more than thier fair share of bringing home the bacon (women do still earn less, sadly, for similar work, but that's not Dad's fault!)
And yet the custody and child support systems are stuck in the dark ages, treating the custody arrangements like we're still in the 1950s, when mom was nurturing and spend afternoons perfecting her pot roast and baking cookies and Dad ignored the family beyond his obligation to bring home the bacon. Families have entered a brave new era where we talk about how it "takes a village".
Unfortunately, to many people, that village has no men populating it.
We need to rectify this situation. We need presumptions of equal parenting time in family court, and we need parents who have engaged in alienating techniques to be punished for being that way.
I thought this week, as Baldwin's book on the topic is being promoted, it would be worth resurrecting this issue
Submitted by Concerned Taxpayer (not verified) on Fri, 2008/09/26 - 12:40am.
The problem with divorce is that the State is involved in the first place. It will never happen but getting the State out of the marriage business would be the best thing to ever happen to marriage. This is why that in regards to the State, there should be only civil unions and that way straight or gay can have one. Marriage is a religious ceremony for those participants who want to affirm their love and commitment to each before the Almighty. It should stay religious and keep the government and the mouth's out there from infringing upon upon what should always be sacred.
Submitted by LK (not verified) on Fri, 2008/09/26 - 3:19am.
The Canadian Symposium For Parental Alienation Syndrome
March 27 - through March 29 2009
At the Metro Toronto Convention Center
This international educational conference is dedicated to
helping family law attorneys, mental health professionals,
mediators, various other professionals & targeted parents,
We will address the solutions for the intervention and
treatment to assist children being psychologically abused
and suffering from this disorder.
Come to the largest conference ever organized on the
topic of parental alienation syndrome. Meet the leading
medical and legal experts in Psychology and Family Law
and obtain CE Credits.
Submitted by Bbeanster on Fri, 2008/09/26 - 5:27am.
I'd read this stuff, but it'd be 15 minutes of my life that I'd never get back. It's a puzzlement why people waste time reviving ancient threads nobody cares about.
Submitted by RayCapps on Fri, 2008/09/26 - 10:33am.
Somebody has something they want to say or an announcement they want to make. They have no authority to create a new thread on this site, so they instead revive an old topic related to the subject matter and use that as the mechanism to transmit their thought/announcment. And they don't get flamed for being off topic. People are creative and never more so than when trying to get around a imposed restriction.
Submitted by sparky (not verified) on Thu, 2008/10/16 - 1:30pm.
Does Mr Baldwin have a website discussing this issue and an organization to help put an end to this? I have only been able to spend one weekend in the last three years because of PAS
There ought to be pledge when you get married that if you have children and get divorced you will never bad mouth the other parent for any reason.
Custody is one of the most painful things anyone has to go through. Unless proof of harm can be shown, all children should be able to love and respect both their parents.
It can be a very messy time though, and the poor kids have to stand in the center of two giant figures and view some pretty ugly stuff.
Grandparents also end up being alienated because some divorcing parents insist on them taking sides or else. Many grandparents can't even see their grandchildren because of divorce problems. Poor kids! The pain they suffer is so much more damaging than most of us realize. Divorce is often healthy and necessary, but when kids are involved both people should stand back and take a look at the long term consequences the children will face.
Yeah sure, easy to say huh?
I think kids feel like objects when everyone is trying so deperately to "get" them. The courts are no help. Lawyers cost a fortune. Also visitation should never be tied to child support. If your mom or dad can't keep a job there may be reasons, but losing a parent because they can't (not won't)keep up with support payments is a far greater tragedy. Not everything of value is tied to money. Some people can't keep jobs. That doesn't mean they can't contribute other services in kind. Being a single parent is hard, but much harder without the emotional support of the other parent.
It takes two good mature people putting the child's needs right next to their own to have a successful co-parenting experience. Unfortunately during such a major heartbreak we can all be less than we would like to be. In the end no matter what the court orders people usually have to work this out between themselves. It can take years to figure that out. In the meantime the kid feels like crap, has torn loyalties, and deep heartache. No matter how you slice it, divorce is usually an ugly business when there are kids involved.
I agree about the laws, but then the courts are usually pretty lame about enforcing them and some things are beyond the legal system.
Custody and divorce are issues no one wants to look into because there are so many questions and so few answers. It's all about people and people can be complex creatures.
I know mediation has helped in my family. We've had two divorces and both were ugly at first, but then settled into quite a workable arrangement for all people. The one thing we did manage to do was not alienate the kids from any of the parents or grandparents involved.
In spite of Baldwin's pain. What he said to his child was very cruel.No one has said if it was a one time explosion or just his way of doing things. If the kid really is scared of him (and she might be) then maybe visitation could be in short spurts and he should be required to seek help. Just because someone "pushes" your buttons, doesn't give you the right to degrade a child. Even ones that seem to desreve it.
I felt bad for Baldwin, really, really bad. I hope they all work it out somewhere down the road, but the scars will remain with everyone.
There ought to be pledge when you get married that if you have children and get divorced you will never bad mouth the other parent for any reason.
My ex and I actually had that in our agreement.
Adrift in the Sea of Humility
"Alec Baldwin absolutely loves his daughter and has a lot to say about the divorce industry."
Err, what? You don't know that, any more than the people who are crucifying the guy know that he's the Worst Father of the Year.
As a young, pretty immature, mother of two who was widowed at 23 before my son was even born, I had some tough times with my kids, and had to do much of my growing up at their expense. But I honestly cannot remember belittling either of them in that fashion. I listened to his explanation, but don't buy it. His apology was one of those bogus "I'm sorry if anyone was offended" bullcrap things that rapidly segued into a long "Poor me" vent.
Alex Baldwin shouldn't have taken out his frustrations on the kid. Verbal abuse can be as bad as physical abuse, and that little girl won't ever forget those words-- especially now that it was leaked to the media and the whole world is here to remind her.
Nasty, hateful stuff. She didn't exactly hit the jackpot when parents were handed out.
As a mom I know parental alienation 1st hand. Of 3 daughters two have not seen nor spoken to me for 8 years. My remaining daughter was abandoned by her father and sisters because she chose to remain in contact with me. The message was clear. Have a relationship with your mother and your father will totally cut you off. These are not small children. They were 14 and 21 the last I saw them. Their sister was 17 the last they had a relationship with her.
A nationally know authority on parental alientation likens it to the STockholm Syndrome. Children may never have relationship with the alientated parent but if they do the advise is to treat them as though they have been held as a prisoner of war.
Of my three girls there is no doubt that the more stable, undamaged daughter is the one who chose not to be held prisoner.
There are several books giving the mother's version of being an aliented parent. One is ICE Bound, by Dr. Jerri Nielsen and A kidnapped Mind by Pamela Richardson.
This is not an isolated incidence of parental alienation. It is widespread and as Dr. Richard Gardner states, it's "the most incideous type of child abuse."
I have been fighting for two years to get more time with my children. My ex has been using her attorney (with my child support) and the legal system to keep them away from me. She has had the children in "counseling" and tells them that they need to see thier father more. Then she and her attorney tell the courts that they are afraid of me and that I should have supervised visits. The courts took away any decision making power I had with my children, which pretty much did not exist already. Teh mother then said that if your dad wanted to see you all he would have to do is call the visitation center.
My ex and her attorney have put so much fear in my children that when they see me in public they run away screaming. When they recently ran into my new wife and son at a public pool they screamed, ran into the office and called the police and their mother.
The sad thing is that I have done nothing to these children but love them. I have purposely found a house that would allow my daughter to have her own room. I even allowed her to decorate it. My son and his new brother are the same age and quickly became best friends. But, my ex has found a way to make my children afraid of tehm.
I have stayed away from my children for their own good for the past 9 months, while making contact ocassionally. Each contact was met with a negative response from my daughter. As my wife would say she was really ugly towards me. When my mother and sister tried to reach out to the children they received the same treatment.
I hope that my children aren't too far gone to have a relationship with me. My son I believe wil be OK, but my daughter I feel is out of control. And it was the courts that allowed this to happen.
I share your experience.
I have not seen my daughter for almost 3 years now following a loving and wonderful relationship.
Except in my case, the genders are reversed which makes it much more difficult to restore the child's life to semi normal with proper visitations and shared parenting.
I am a resident of Westchester county, a county well known for gender bias.
While the alienation in my case was recognized by the court, both law guardian and judge opposed to "coerce" the 9 years old child to see her father as the mother alienated the child to such a degree that the child believed i betrayed her (having established a romantic relationship more than 2 1/2 years after separation) and claimed she refused to see me.
It is a crime to treat a child as a tool against a parent.
And this is exactly what my child's mom did and continues to do.
Now, i am being sued in support court for increase of support and child care because i am not parenting my child.
Mom is against, and interferes with, any attempt to re-unite our child with me.
This is a shame and reflects a legal system gone awry where children lose their parents and parents lose their children if family court.
I salute Larry King for having aired the interview with Alec Baldwin, a good father, who slipped once trying to walk the trecherous path of parenting while being alienated.
Let's hope this issue gains recognition sufficiently to raise public awareness of this cancerous phenomenon and the inability of our legal system to defend our children.
I saw one of my favorite people doing a stand-up routine on Bravo the other day. Whoopi Goldberg touched on words that were taboo, mentioning, among others, the "n" word. She talked about words that are considered perfectly acceptable in society but have far more devastating consequences than the banned ones.
One of the worst is the word "stupid". How many parents destroy a child's self esteem by shouting that word in a fit of anger? It is something that will never be forgotten and taking it back is like trying to un-ring a bell.
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It's amazingly frustrating to a parent to hear their own child make up excuses to duck out of visitation or scheduled phone calls, using the other parent's syntax and language nuances during the excuse. When the child ducks out of parenting time in exactly the manner that the other parent has set up for them to duck, it's very difficult not to respond to them with the same language that you've responded to the other parent when they initiated the slew of excuses. Especially if you're not even talking to the child and hearing their voice, but just leaving a voice mail.
And no widowed parent raising a child alone can know the pain of ahving that child intentionally turned against you by their other parent. It's simply the kind of thing that can make you snap. You don't want to say mean things to the kid, and never WOULD, but when the kid refuses to answer their own cellphone (and we know how kids are with thier cellphones, they answer EVERY call!), tells you that they'll hate you forever if you don't let them spend the weekend with their best friend, who is having a birthday THAT weekend (and apparently this best friend has a birthday EVERY weekend for the entire weekend when it's a weekend scheduled for a visit with the aliented parent.) When they give the other parents' logic that their extracurriculars, their parties, their friends' birthdays, their other parent's siblings, their cousins, their neighborhood covered dish dinners, are all of higher priority than Dad, and they are NEVER without a friend, cousin, extracurricular, party, dance, neighborhood covered dish on Dad's weekend. It's frustrating.
Parental alienation is real, and the alienated children are allowed to choose which parent they prefer to stay with. Gee... who will they choose? (Hint, it's the parent who has convinced them to treat the other parent with disrespect). We actually reward the person who engages in alienation by giving them more time with the child, more control over the child's time, more child support and the opportunity to stick it to their ex by continuing to come up with fresh new ways to have their own children reject them.
And I don't know of a single parent who has never snapped, even parents who are not divorced and not intentionally encouraging the children to be disrespectful to the other parent. Not a SINGLE one of us who could stand the scrutiny of a camera or tape recorder playing at all times. Sadly, Alec Baldwin's event took place on tape, and he's a star so people think it's newsworthy to spread it around and let everyone else hear HIS embarassing moment. But what person here could say THEY NEVER had an embarassing parent moment that they were glad was not on tape?
I don't care that Richard Gardner's personal life was not what some people think was worthy... the facts are that parental alienation exists, big time. It's practically encouraged in our society. We certainly do not encourage cooperative co-parenting, equal time with both parents, shared custody. We only end up with those FAIR treatments of the child's time when the parents are both willing to agree to it. And if they don't agree, we don't advise it. There is no reason for this other than simple bias against fathers.
The 1950 stereotype of a father as the man who goes to work, comes home, sits in an easy chair and has the wife bring him a drink while ignoring the children, is a long gone stereotype in the typical two parent family of today, but it lives on in the minds and prejudices of judges and the public. Single fathers are portrayed in the media as buffoons, fools like Mr. Mom or the bumbling sad sack on 2 & 1/2 men. Or like intimidating meanies who trash their children in a single voice mail message that gets repeated over and over around the world, courtesy of his ex deciding to leak it to the press.
But most fathers I know today are very involved with the kids on a daily basis if they are still together with the children's mothers, and devastated when their parenting time goes from 100% of all off hours (after school and after extracurricualrs) down to 10%, weekends and alternating holidays IF the mother can't find other things for the kids to do that are more important and the father is an evil meanie if he doesn't let the kid duck visitation. MOST fathers I know today are thought of as mean ONLY because they care about the kids' development and want to do homework with the kids, are forced into doing all the discipline (with the "just wait till your father gets home" threat), and are nowhere near the stereotypical fun-fun-fun disney dads that they are accused of being.
Most dads today have changed their fair share of diapers, done their fair share of dishes, vacuuming, cooking, shopping and burping, and more than thier fair share of bringing home the bacon (women do still earn less, sadly, for similar work, but that's not Dad's fault!)
And yet the custody and child support systems are stuck in the dark ages, treating the custody arrangements like we're still in the 1950s, when mom was nurturing and spend afternoons perfecting her pot roast and baking cookies and Dad ignored the family beyond his obligation to bring home the bacon. Families have entered a brave new era where we talk about how it "takes a village".
Unfortunately, to many people, that village has no men populating it.
We need to rectify this situation. We need presumptions of equal parenting time in family court, and we need parents who have engaged in alienating techniques to be punished for being that way.
I thought this week, as Baldwin's book on the topic is being promoted, it would be worth resurrecting this issue
The problem with divorce is that the State is involved in the first place. It will never happen but getting the State out of the marriage business would be the best thing to ever happen to marriage. This is why that in regards to the State, there should be only civil unions and that way straight or gay can have one. Marriage is a religious ceremony for those participants who want to affirm their love and commitment to each before the Almighty. It should stay religious and keep the government and the mouth's out there from infringing upon upon what should always be sacred.
The Canadian Symposium For Parental Alienation Syndrome
March 27 - through March 29 2009
At the Metro Toronto Convention Center
This international educational conference is dedicated to
helping family law attorneys, mental health professionals,
mediators, various other professionals & targeted parents,
We will address the solutions for the intervention and
treatment to assist children being psychologically abused
and suffering from this disorder.
Come to the largest conference ever organized on the
topic of parental alienation syndrome. Meet the leading
medical and legal experts in Psychology and Family Law
and obtain CE Credits.
Visit the website for more information at
Link...
I'd read this stuff, but it'd be 15 minutes of my life that I'd never get back. It's a puzzlement why people waste time reviving ancient threads nobody cares about.
Somebody has something they want to say or an announcement they want to make. They have no authority to create a new thread on this site, so they instead revive an old topic related to the subject matter and use that as the mechanism to transmit their thought/announcment. And they don't get flamed for being off topic. People are creative and never more so than when trying to get around a imposed restriction.
Does Mr Baldwin have a website discussing this issue and an organization to help put an end to this? I have only been able to spend one weekend in the last three years because of PAS
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