I don't think so. Just a discussion that can help. We are not lemmings and just because other parts of Europe will use Global Warming to tax automobiles doesn't mean we have to jump off any cliffs. But we do need to talk about the problem and find some reasonable answers.

The failure of Communism was that is has never actually existed and probably can't exist as a governing entity. What the Soviets had was something else they branded Communism, but was in fact based on authoritarianism and centralized control...Much like what we are seeing in the Bushista manuverings.

Traffic Light cameras as a concept that generates direct revenue for a corporation and a government sure isn't communism, but it might lean toward fascism in its execution.

Power to the Corporations

Steve

...the evolution of US capitalism toward a corporatist state, with no democratic pretensions whatsoever.

My view is there are WAY too many traffic lights. They frequently have been dispensed willy nilly with little forethought. Pulling up to a traffic light at an intersection that only a few hours of the day, or not at all, has the traffic volume to remotely require a light, and sit there is ridiculous. If these cameras become more prevalent than a few high volume intersections, which my guess is they will, then that has less to do with safety than revenue. Which makes them wrong.

The one at the intersection of Henley and Western really irritated me when it was first installed. While in the turn lane to make a left onto Western from traveling north on Henley you could expect to go through several light changes before being able to turn. It would only allow three or four cars to turn before the light would change. I felt they did this to entice drivers into trying to beat the light knowing they would catch some with the cameras.

Adrift in the Sea of Humility

40,000 tickets at $50.00 each

Not to mention that the manufacturers of the cameras install them for free because they get a portion of the money made off of the tickets.

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For once, I agree with #9. If they were just thinking about safety, there was a better way to do it.

Since when is running a red light an inalienable right?
Our founders fought for THIS? -- s.

He does apparently not like vehicle related fines:

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So as someone put it to you there, did you fight it, or did you do nothing?

And are red light cameras going to be same song, second verse?