Rolling Rock has a new ad wherein a spokesperson at a desk gives a wooden apology for a previous ad in which a guy in an ape suit parachutes into a pool party. He holds up a chart showing apes winning out by a distinct margin over dogs, rats and otters as "animal most associated with a pool party." The previous ad is real; the reaction for which they are apologizing is invented.
This is a rather elaborate and curious advertising campaign. Surely the follow-up ad was not conceived separately from the first ad, so were they hoping to get a reaction? Were they planning all along to apologize for nothing? The implication in the ad is that someone was offended by the ape. Who is that someone?
Geico is pulling a similar stunt with their caveman ads, but since they are designed to elicit sympathy for the slighted cavemen, it's a joke about stereotypes instead of just being a stereotype. Rolling Rock does not try to make you sympathize with the ape. Are they pulling off the same tight-rope act, or have they crossed the line into manipulating racial stereotypes as the RNC did with the Harold Ford bimbo ads?
This seems like a good crowd to ask. Many recognized the racial elements in the Corker ads instantly if not sooner; others found the outrage befuddling. Some know many black men were hanged over accusations of sexual relations with white women; others consider Playboy a forum for women of all skin tones, provided they have large breasts and an eating disorder. We are a community endowed with a diversity of opinions and perspectives, so what do you all think of sharp-dressed cavemen and parachuting, beer-drinking apes?
Is racism in the eye of the beholder? Can the prospect of personal or financial gain cause people who are not racist to manipulate racial stereotypes and language? Is mocking our not-quite-human ancestors simply good comedy? Has Carlos Mencia made racial humor safe for corporate America? If you could invite a dog, a rat, an ape or an otter to a pool party, would you not invite the otter?
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Corker's ads were racist but
This is an interesting post. I wish I had something cogent to say. I've not seen the Rolling Rock commercials and the Geico caveman only once. My impression is that I was confused as to what they were trying to say.
But on a lighter note, I love the Geico gecko. Don't know if it's the accent or what he says or his mannerisms but I get such a kick out of those commercials.
Be a blessing to someone today.
Beer Buzz
Fake ad here. (YouTube)
Info about fake outrage viral marketing strategy here.
Spread the word... I guess that's what Anheuser Busch wants!
I didn't view the Corker ad
I didn't view the Corker ad as racist at all; rather, I thought they were trying to make a point regarding Ford's reputation of philandering (at the Playboy mansion), as well as hoping to tap into some women voters' feelings against being viewed as only eye-candy. How a "racist" element was inferred is beyond me...unless, of course, the folks who viewed it this way were just waiting for that shoe to drop (which appears to be par for the course).
It's not exactly new news
It's not exactly new news that White Republican Guys claim they didn't see 'nuttin racist about that ad. It might be useful, however, to submit your post as Exhibit A when the GOP gets around to having that confab about why its 21st Century initiative to win over the minority vote crashed and burned in '06 and what it's going to mean in '08 -- but hell, why bother? Harold Ford Jr. and Michael Steele paid the price, but Senators-elect Webb, Cardin and McCaiskell are probably immensely grateful. And so is Harry Reid.
Assumptions
You're assuming a WHOLE LOT with this post...and you're dead wrong on most of it. I'm neither "white" nor a "Republican" nor a "guy." Next???
Here's what's next: When
Here's what's next:
When you're anonymous, you can say you're an Inca priestess or the Count of Monte Cristo. Doesn't really matter, does it?
So...
Maybe I'm both :) Just trying to make a point that making assumptions doesn't help - just perpetuates the stereotypes.
Someone's a little bitter
Curl up with some hot cocoa...that might help. Oops! "Cocoa." Probably shouldn't have suggested cocoa, as it might be interpreted as being racist & all. Get over it.
High road
Okay, I'll take the high road and hopefully set an example that there's really no need to attack people you don't know anything about, regardless of which of your many "buttons" get pushed. Happy Holidays to you and yours.
No road
This thread is about the Rolling Rock ad, not the Corker ad. That was a hashed out in other threads long ago. If you want to keep talking about the bimbo ad, dredge up one of those old threads.
Do you have anything pertinent to say on topic?
Geesh! You guys certainly
Geesh! You guys certainly are representing yourselves as a mighty unfriendly bunch! Just started visiting a couple of weeks ago because I have a lot of first-hand knowledge about the Community Development issues with the city. Thought I'd contribute to some other threads as well. Didn't realize I'd be dealing with Nazi Bloggers. No wonder there are so few registered users. What a shame. Seeeeeeeeeeeeeya....
I pretty much agree with you
I pretty much agree with you about assumptions and unfriendliness. I didn't think I was adding to it. In fact, I was trying to steer the thread away from the partisan attacks.
Perhaps there is a lesson here for the moderators.
whoooosh
Right over your head.
Okay, I'll plead guilty to
Okay, I'll plead guilty to taking the bait. I knew it was a diversion, and I should have just let the segue into the "Call me" ad go, but I'm weak and I was in a bad mood. Sorry for assisting in the hijacking of your thread. Hope that's the worst thing I do this week. Although I guess I did it last week.
I thought you were pretty
I thought you were pretty civil and at the very least, moderated by humor.
It goes to the issue of intent
rikki mentions the Ford ad in his initial post here.
I don't get the harangue on 'watcher.' Maybe this member is sincere about issues of racism, maybe not. They almost sound like talking points, which makes me suspicious. And the poor pitiful me innocence seems flawless. Damn 'watcher'... I'll be watchin' you!
Coming from a background to understand the hurt of genuine harassment, I can understand Beanster's knee jerk responses. But Metulj is just a hot head, more bent on venting his own views than listening to others. He never sees or acknowledges his emotional frustration in not getting his way all the time.
rikki says: Is racism in the eye of the beholder?
It goes to the issue of intent, but after that, the beholder has some say in what standards our society should encourage. The recent call for rappers to give up the n'word comes to mind.
Sometimes people are trying to sneak racist content into the picture, but sometimes it's just clumsy, reckless, politically incorrect, just plain stupid, ..., ..., it always goes to the issue of intent.
And there's a range of intent within these ads, and blowback to however "others" respond. I think Ford paid a price for the appearance of idiocy among zealots who insisted on exacting their pound of flesh over these ads... even though I agree there was likely hidden 'intent' within ad messages. Point here, these battles aren't always clear cut in how they play out. For people sitting on the fence... the negative stuff kept them from looking closer. Within political context, I think the Dems would have been wise to consider voters who felt attacked for seeing themselves as better people than to see the ad as racist. (even where insiders understood the R's intent.) Many aren't truly "cured," but try when convenient. Some may have been looking past the race thing before that blowup. That's why I tried to cool the issue.
Insanely, this same principle (playing on the ambiguity of political correctness and how we think) is behind the Rolling Rock ads. And some overthink and fail to react in a measured response with respect to all the factors within a situation. And some even find humor when the intent isn't cruel or trying to subvert the morality of the issue.
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My litmus test for whether
My litmus test for whether something is truly racist is whether a child could learn racism from the words or images. A child viewing the RNC would have no idea what was going on. He or she would not pick up any taboos on interracial couples nor learn anything about the history of lynchings and prosecutions of black men. The viewer has to already be cognizant of racial tensions to understand the "call me" message. If the viewer is a racist, he or she would react negatively to Ford. If not, he or she might react negatively to Corker for trying to appeal to racists. Others might see it as sexist or as an attack on Ford's character. That much is in the eye of the beholder.
Likewise, with the Rolling Rock ads or the Geico ads, some might just see it as funny, others might see it as a crass appeal to bigots. Rush Limbaugh uses racially charged language frequently, and it's clearly his way of letting his listeners know he shares their bigotry and approves of it. His raison d'etre is to make uninformed idiots feel empowered and enlightened.
The question with the ads is whether Geico and Rolling Rock are trying to dissect stereotypes with humor or appeal to people who feel persecuted for their bigoted views. I'm not sure the answer is the same for both ad campaigns.
I tend to think it's a good thing when groups who suffer discrimination embrace the language of their detractors as gays have done with "queer" and blacks with "nigger." Censorship empowers the words and gives them greater importance than ideas. Co-opting the words forces a deeper look into the ideas and history that made the word so powerful.
It is quite possible to express bigoted ideas without using a forbidden word, and if we think banning a word will bring an end to the thoughts behind the words, we are mistaken.
I appreciate your feedback,
I appreciate your (spintrep's) feedback, as well as rikki's. Yes, I'm trying to be sincere and - being fairly naive and inclusive by nature - have experienced some pretty traumatic events involving issues of race (both racism and reversed racism)on a professional level and have become very jaded by it. In fact, I'm still trying to find my equilibrium again...a "happy medium" if you will. Yes, my dreamland is a happy place!
Perhaps the "talking points" issue goes back to my own personal (and negative) involvement on the political fringe. Because the experience is so fresh, I tend to be pretty passionate when one of those raw buttons is pushed. If it helps, I admit that I have a multiple-personality disorder when it comes to politics - social democrat/fiscal conservative. I know, I know...I'm the worst of the worst. Is it any wonder I can't find a happy resting place???
Anyway, thanks again for the feedback and the benefit of the doubt. There are obviously some very intellectual and intelligent people in this blog, which is what attracted me to it to begin with. I guess I'll just have to get a thicker skin and overlook what I perceive as the crusty, crabby ones!
"multiple-personality disorder"
Tall Girl?, that you??!!
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we're living in a pathocracy!!
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Please don't apologise for being socially liberal/fiscally conservative. There's nothing wrong with that & you are not alone.
People do not have to place themselves into political cubbyholes and be defined by a "party line".
as well as hoping to tap
as well as hoping to tap into some women voters' feelings against being viewed as only eye-candy.
Yep, and the GOP is just the party to do that, since they have the grand total of 3 women in the state Senate and 5 in the state House. At least they do have one woman in their Congressional delegation, although she's certainly no harbinger of equality for other women.
But Metulj is just a hot head, more bent on venting his own views than listening to others. He never sees or acknowledges his emotional frustration in not getting his way all the time.
Interesting how frequently people who lose arguments to Metulj come up with this line...
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previous post: (But Metulj is just a hot head, more bent on venting his own views than listening to others. He never sees or acknowledges his emotional frustration in not getting his way all the time.)
(should have said: "often a hothead", as in this thread)
Submitted by Eleanor A:
Interesting how frequently people who lose arguments to Metulj come up with this line...
Not sure of which "arguments" apply to me, I mostly agree and appreciate Metulj's positions and adriot contributions. But examine his posts in this thread for my point. He can be quite unwelcoming at times.
Metulj commands a superior intellect at most every turn, but even when winning the argument, the backdrop of anger and frustration is still there. Those who view Metulj from postings on KnoxBlab may have additional insight. Should he find more calm and humility, it could serve us all a little better.
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Can't help but wonder if
Can't help but wonder if this is the same argument that's often wielded by Republicans who laughed, pre-Nov. 7, at the "Dean scream" and tried to use it as proof positive of impotent Democratic anger. Since GOPers aren't unreasonably angry about anything, of course.
Not trying to single you out, spint, but I do think where one stands on other people's tone can depend on where one sits. Which is why I think making personal characterizations about other posters is a waste of time, although it's darn near irresistible sometimes.
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