Thu
Oct 26 2006
11:52 am
By: R. Neal  shortURL

Can we please tone down the KKK references and photoshops etc.? Of course everybody is upset about these vicious attacks on Democrats and their constituency who make up half of America. But take the high road and talk about issues and encourage the candidates to the same. Denounce the negative, disgusting ads, too, but don't get goaded into responding in kind. Let them dig their own hole. Thank you. Carry on.

UPDATE: I rest my case. (Thankfully not many people read that half-baked B.S., but still. The message is: Be serious and people will be more likely to take you seriously. Carry on.)

UPDATE: And here.

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SayUncle's picture

Thank

Thank you.

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Michael Silence's picture

What he said.

Any wonder why more than 50 percent of registered voters don't vote?

Andy Axel's picture

Any wonder why more than 50

Any wonder why more than 50 percent of registered voters don't vote?

I have a really hard time taking a finger-wagging from people who get paid by big-time media conglomerates (i.e. Scripps-Howard) on the quality of political ads.

Why?

Well, ask yourself -- who's making the profit from airing these ads? Who's getting paid to broadcast this gutter filth?

JUST MAYBE ... if there were standards for fairness in advertising, or if equal time provisions were reinstated, we wouldn't be subjected to this crap in the first place.

I don't mean to make this personal, Michael, but there is some truth to the notion that people won't understand what they're paid not to understand. I say this as a kid who's descended from 2 generations in print media.

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blaming KNS and the media?

Michael:
Any wonder why more than 50 percent of registered voters don't vote?

Andy Axel:
I have a really hard time taking a finger-wagging from people who get paid by big-time media conglomerates (i.e. Scripps-Howard) on the quality of political ads.

Suppose all advertising were publicly financed? It would still be found in the paper. The profit incentive is quite removed from the question of First Amendment rights to advertise in the media.

Michael's work stands on it's own merit. Inferring profit biases for his opinion here in this instance seems a reach.

the point I think R Neal is making ...The right to challenge these messages is available, but it's becoming a venue to the other extreme with some of the hyperbole and posting of photoshops. (hey, post links!!) It's cluttering up the blog to the exclusion of more thoughtful discussion, and that's where those "50 percent" are tuning out.

Maybe taking these misinformational, ambiguously slandering, (borderline, inuring, overt... ) bigoted advertisements to some additional venue of virtual justice could be found. I'm thinking one of those TV court shows, where the players could be raved up in mock proceedings that might give vent to the frustration that many feel in the endless barrage of negative campaigning... folks could choose to watch the mudslinging.

Maybe the "I'm whoever and I approved this crap" should be more specific in providing the production credentials of those who are pushing them out.

Andy Axel's picture

The profit incentive is

The profit incentive is quite removed from the question of First Amendment rights to advertise in the media.

The First Amendment doesn't protect libel, slander, or hate speech. QED.

All I'm saying is that I find it quite ironic that Big Time Media is reporting on the "crassification" of politics, when it's the media who has solely benefited from the practice of multimillion dollar ad buys.

There's something to think about there.

Michael's work stands on it's own merit. Inferring profit biases for his opinion here in this instance seems a reach.

Take a breath, adjust your glasses, and read what I said: "I don't mean to make this personal." I'm not saying that Michael himself has a profit motive. But his bosses do. They very much have a profit motive, and they make huge bank on political advertising.

No one forces any media outlet to run any ad, do they? They could just say no, right? So if the media wants to take a hard line on how people are being exposed to all this crass media, then they need to look in the g.d. mirror.

They could be part of the solution here. Fact of the matter, I think they should be. It would be responsible, unlike what I heard today out of our effin' political editor. She abdicated any responsibility in telling the truth to Nashville voters. According to her, it's up to us to decide what's factual and what's fiction, like the 4th estate has no bearing on what the quality of the information is that people are using.

I wonder if that's the kind of crap that they teach in j-school these days, or if you just pick that up on the job.

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Number9's picture

That was getting on my

That was getting on my nerves. Thanks.

CoachBJTBParker's picture

KKK

Please, those fat boys are all too old to even cut holes in their bedding!

As for the Dems being upset, bless their hearts. Didn't they run that ad in Texas with the sound of the chains dragging a black man to death behind a car?? OH YEA!

I agree with Larry the Cable Guy..
"I would rather hunt with Chaney than ride with Teddy."

metulj's picture

OK. But anyone who says "I

OK. But anyone who says "I don't see anything racist in that ad" is a joke of a human being whom I dearly hope is a member of that 50% that Silence mentions. It's old school Jesse Helms action and you know it. I just spent some time on LexisNexis and, lo, you can find all kinds of letters to the editors from that time period in places like Greensboro and Charlotte that say 'What's racist about the Hands commercial?' Lee Atwater would be proud of the slavering stormtroopers of bigotry that ooze out from the floorboards everytime they are needed and/or called by Rove. If you don't think that he is behind it, you are kidding yourself.

Did anyone hear his NPR meltdown (Rove) yesterday? He's got polls that you can't see. He is all-knowing. It sounded like someone who could see the train coming but couldn't get out of the way. His raison d' etre is an assumption that a big part of  the American electorate is stupider than the rest and that part is the 'undecided' voter. Nothing bothers the Rove/Cheney mindset more than middling players. The polar opposite of their positions they can understand. It's the people who wonder that bug the shit of them and are the ones that get these sorts of ads foisted upon them. It is plain as day and I told y'all they pull these stunts.

 

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R. Neal's picture

But anyone who says "I don't

But anyone who says "I don't see anything racist in that ad" is a joke of a human being whom I dearly hope is a member of that 50% that Silence mentions.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I agree with you 100% on that. They are using the reverse racist ju-jitsu to great effect to innoculate their candidate. And they should be told that forcefully.

The trouble is that when you cross the line into enemy territory, you let them set the rules of engagement. All I'm saying is don't get sucked in.

SayUncle's picture

Everyone says 'the ad is

Everyone says 'the ad is racist.' I'm still trying to find the racist part.

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metulj's picture

OK. Slowly.  Innuendo

OK. Slowly. 

Innuendo \In`nu*en"do\, n.; pl. Innuedoes(?). [L., by
intimation, by hinting, gerund of innuere, innutum, to give a
nod, to intimate; pref. in- in, to + -nuere (in comp.) to
nod. See Nutation.]
1. An oblique hint; a remote allusion or reference, usually
derogatory to a person or thing not named; an insinuation.
[1913 Webster]

Mercury . . . owns it a marriage by an innuendo.
--Dryden.
[1913 Webster]

Pursue your trade of scandal picking;
Your innuendoes, when you tell us,
That Stella loves to talk with fellows. --Swift.
[1913 Webster]

 

 

 

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SayUncle's picture

I know what innuendo is.

I know what innuendo is. What's racist about the ad?

It's tacky, stupid and misleading. But it's not inherently racist.

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metulj's picture

Take off your blinders. You

Take off your blinders. You are smarter than this. 

 

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rikki's picture

it's sexist

The message the ad portrays is not racist; it's sexist. The RNC is trying to say "Chicks dig Ford. Don't vote like a girly-man. Don't do what women do and vote for the handsome candidate. Be a man! Vote for Corker and make sure your wife obeys you and votes for him too."

metulj's picture

And then there is that. You

And then there is that. You damn relativist!

True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler

Number9's picture

Everyone says 'the ad is

Everyone says 'the ad is racist.' I'm still trying to find the racist part.

Don't people see things through the prism of their own prejudice? In a world where words become weapons some times the best thing to do is ignore the fringe comments.

S Carpenter's picture

Can you HEAR racism?

 

Listen to this Corker radio ad.

Behind the voiceover there is music.

When the voice speaks of Corker the music sounds like a mashup of the national anthem - America the Beautiful with angel voices singing.

When the voice speaks of Ford the music has "George of the Jungle" tom toms. (You'll have to scroll down and listen to the clip, 1st tune off the George of the Jungle soundtrack).

Does this sound racist? 

hat tip Talking Points memo 

 

SayUncle's picture

'And the actress is

'And the actress is obviously *not* portraying a "playmate." But you can try again if you'd like.'

Really? then why did she say she met him at the playboy party? and why is she, err, naked (at least from the shoulders up)? Try again.

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Number9's picture

Listen to this Corker radio

Listen to this Corker radio ad.

Behind the voiceover there is music.

When the voice speaks of Corker the music sounds like a mashup of the national anthem - America the Beautiful with angel voices singing.

When the voice speaks of Ford the music has "George of the Jungle" tom toms. (You'll have to scroll down and listen to the clip, 1st tune off the George of the Jungle soundtrack).

Does this sound racist?

I don't get it. To me, I did not perceive racism when I heard this ad. After hearing it several times I still do not get it.

This would be a good thing to study. I would be curious to see in a controlled study what the results would be.

Are there any music majors in the audience? What kind of music is this?

Number9's picture

I have a serious problem...

Can you HEAR racism?
Submitted by S Carpenter on Thu, 2006/10/26 - 1:11pm.
 

Listen to this Corker radio ad.

Behind the voiceover there is music.

When the voice speaks of Corker the music sounds like a mashup of the national anthem - America the Beautiful with angel voices singing.

When the voice speaks of Ford the music has "George of the Jungle" tom toms. (You'll have to scroll down and listen to the clip, 1st tune off the George of the Jungle soundtrack).

Does this sound racist?

I want to thank everyone here. Up until today I had no idea I was a racist. I heard the music but I did not know it was "Jungle Drums". I even listened to the George and the Jungle music Scott listed and did not know it was racist.

I cannot thank you enough. I have scheduled therapy for Friday.

When I am cured I will be able to look at this picture and just see a little puppy.

Get a grip people. If you can hear racism maybe you are too wrapped up in this election. Go out and knock on some doors and hand out Harold Ford literature. You need the fresh air.

Factchecker's picture

Drum beat

Beyond a certain production level ($) every ad, every movie, every tune, every video, every audio track, every production leaves nothing to chance.  Everything is done for a specific reason.  Ever listen to the director's cut on a movie DVD and find out all sorts of subliminal details and other production metaphors that were included to support the story, character, etc. but that you hadn't really noticed, at least in that context?

When I listened to the ad in question, I though it a bit of a stetch to call them jungle drums, but I have to wonder WTF else they're there for.    

rikki's picture

boom boom

I've got to agree with the digit on this one. Those drums sound like run-of-the-mill ominous soundtrack rooted more in operatic and symphonic traditions than anything African.

I'm playing dumb on the bimbo ad, of course. It's obviously intended to convey the message that the bimbo wants to have sex with Ford, an idea that no doubt animates any existing racial prejudices the viewer might hold. Even if the viewer does not fill in the blanks with racism, it's still a desperate, tactless and dishonest ad.

The jungle-drum thing, though. Shut up. 

metulj's picture

I was thinking about the

I was thinking about the whole "Burning Cross" jpg post from Eleanor and it bothered me because I know the people who she thinks that would piss off either don't get the reference or brought the kerosene.

Anyhow, your point is taken.  

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R. Neal's picture

I'm not singling anybody

I'm not singling anybody out. Everyone is passionate and pissed off by all the sleazy attacks on Ford, including me. I'm just saying it's going to get a lot, LOT worse over the next couple of weeks. I am going to try to stay above it and fight bullshit with facts and hysteria with reason, and encourage everyone else to do the same.

Although I wish some of these dickhead trolls that are getting the desired response would take it over to Free Republic or someplace else.

metulj's picture

I just love the "I just

I just love the "I just don't see the racism" crowd too. What a joke. Plausible deniability gets its credence from the ignorant.

I take pride in the fact that we let the idiotic posts stand here, but freepers (including stealth ones like Instaputz) can't take it so they either don't allow comments, or remove any sign of dissent.  

 

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SayUncle's picture

Third time: What's racist

Third time: What's racist about it?

Let's hear it, if you have it.

Good to see metulj back to his lame attacks.

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Anonymous's picture

Here's the Washington Post's

Here's the Washington Post's lead in its story on the Tennessee race.

A Contentious Campaign in a Battleground State

By Shailagh Murray
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, October 25, 2006; Page A01

COALMONT, Tenn. -- John Layne is a 57-year-old white Republican with a long gray beard, no job and advancing emphysema. He arrived an hour early to hear Harold Ford Jr. speak in this struggling mountain town.

"Oh, sure, there's some prejudice," Layne said as he contemplated casting a ballot for a black man. "I wouldn't want my daughter marrying one." But he's more concerned about rising medical costs: When it comes to voting, "you gotta look at the person, not the color."

Do you think the commercial appeals to Mr. Layne's "I wouldn't want my daughter marrying one" attitude or not?

You can claim befuddlement on "how" the ad is racist if you insist, but surely you can't claim to be baffled at what its intent is: A serious yank on deep racial fears.

The ad, in and of itself, may not be racist. But its intent and its appeal are.

SayUncle's picture

'Do you think the commercial

'Do you think the commercial appeals to Mr. Layne's "I wouldn't want my daughter marrying one" attitude or not?'

Not anymore than a picture of ford would since it would also let people know that he's a black guy.

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R. Neal's picture

Uncle, you are clearly

Uncle, you are clearly playing games, but let's try to explain for about the 1000th time. Just about everybody in the local, state, and national media and most Republicans and even the White House Press Secretary understands it except apparently you, Ken Mehlman, and Bob Corker.

The image of the white woman giggling about Harold and telling him to call me evokes one of the deep-rooted Southern taboos about interracial sex. It used to be a lynching offense for black men.

I'm sure you are aware of this, so perhaps your question is a rhetorical device to get someone to say it, so you can come back and say "why that's racist, too!" or something.

We realize you are like Stephen Colbert and you don't see color and you are against all kinds of racism, especially reverse black-on-white racism. Which gives you cover for posts like this:

We get the joke, but sometimes we have to wonder if you aren't just saying things you'd really like to say but won't unless given the opportunity to do so under the flag of "renouncing" racism.

It seems to be a pattern, but maybe I'm reading it wrong (and if so, my apologies).

P.S. What did you think about the stereotypical portrayal of gun owners as Southern redneck hunters?

WhitesCreek's picture

What did you think about the

What did you think about the stereotypical portrayal of gun owners as Southern redneck hunters?

Aren't we? I don't see the problem...

metulj's picture

"We get the joke, but

"We get the joke, but sometimes we have to wonder if you aren't just saying things you'd really like to say but won't unless given the opportunity to do so under the flag of "renouncing" racism."

It's like the old: "Well, blacks call each other nigger." It's not about the assumed inconsistency of that truth, though the whole argument is tu quoque. It's about the people who point that truth out. They want to reserve the ability to use the word 'nigger' when they can and in any situation they see fit. They know its wrong, but a good weapon is hard to put down once you pick it up. 

 

 

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SayUncle's picture

'The image of the white

'The image of the white woman giggling about Harold and telling him to call me evokes one of the deep-rooted Southern taboos about interracial sex. It used to be a lynching offense for black men.'

The point of the playmate was to illustrate Ford's partying at the mansion (which he admitted to - go Ford!). The reason I don't buy the white woman thing being inherently racist is because most playboy playmates are white. Would it make a difference if the actress was black?

'I'm sure you are aware of this, so perhaps your question is a rhetorical device to get someone to say it, so you can come back and say "why that's racist, too!" or something.'

Would it not be?

'We get the joke, but sometimes we have to wonder if you aren't just saying things you'd really like to say but won't unless given the opportunity to do so under the flag of "renouncing" racism.'

You caught me. I hate everyone who is not lilly white like me. Now, where's my RC Cola and Moonpie? there I go again.

'What did you think about the stereotypical portrayal of gun owners as Southern redneck hunters?'

I didn't care for it. Nor did I care for the portayal of the country couple at the start. But no one has expressed shock over that.

There's a lot wrong with the ad that doesn't require such a stretch as the racism bit.

ETA: but porn guy was amusing.

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Number9's picture

'What did you think about

'What did you think about the stereotypical portrayal of gun owners as Southern redneck hunters?'

Eleanor A's picture

I'd have an easier time

believing folks who claimed not to be able to see racism in the ad were that not:

* The official Republican Party position;
* Why they claimed it was OK to run the ad;
* Certified as just OK and peachy keen by White House spokesman Tony Snow, who said on Hardball this week that there's no such thing as racism, because Democratic black candidates claim it about everything.

metulj's picture

Please see the word innuendo

Please see the word innuendo mentioned above. Nice try. 

Question: Was the Jesse Helm's "Hand" commercial racist?

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Eleanor A's picture

Wait a minute

People are on here writing truly disgusting stuff, beyond the pale of the usual definition of "troll." Guess I thought posting jpgs of what these people are really about - since they're also calling up the Ford office in Nashville using the "n" word, and making threats, and whatnot - was more palatable than some other choice words I'd have liked to use.

I'll knock it off if Randy wants me to, but I think it's unrealistic to expect people who are offended by hate speech not to respond.

Oh, and what Andy said, pretty much...

R. Neal's picture

it's unrealistic to expect

it's unrealistic to expect people who are offended by hate speech not to respond.

Did not suggest that. Just talking about the tone of the response, and again I am not pointing any fingers.

Halfdan's picture

Black men supposedly don't know any better

The ad is racist because it suggests Harold Ford (a successful, well-educated black man) has a prediliction for loose, trashy white women. I.e., he's an "uppity negro" who thinks he's made the big-time, and this particular "bimbo" is the punch line to that particular joke.

The people making the ad make specific gender, racial, and fashion decisions for each character, and in high-profile spots like this one no detail goes uncriticized.

Halfdan's picture

Playboy Mansion is in Jacksonville?

The point of the playmate was to illustrate Ford's partying at the mansion (which he admitted to - go Ford!). The reason I don't buy the white woman thing being inherently racist is because most playboy playmates are white. Would it make a difference if the actress was black?

I did not know the Playboy Mansion was located in Jacksonville, Florida! And the actress is obviously *not* portraying a "playmate." But you can try again if you'd like.

Number9's picture

You say QED a lot Andy.

You say QED a lot Andy.

metulj's picture

No, he doesn't. QED.  True

No, he doesn't. QED. 

 

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Sven's picture

Have you heard about Jack Johnson?

"Eat jellied eels and think distant thoughts."(song by these dudes)

bizgrrl's picture

Are there any music majors

Are there any music majors in the audience? What kind of music is this?

I dont' think the ad is targeting music majors. If you can't figure out what kind of music it is, image what others might think. I really think there is some arguing here for arguments sake. Democrats, liberals, whatever are not the only ones that have condemned this and other ads as racist.

I was bornt and raised up heah. It's about easy to see racist happens ever day. Why thet J Davis pic over my couch is outa respek and dat rebel flag in my truk is just for funnin, shoulna insult nery a person.

Halfdan's picture

Playmates are attractive

Really? then why did she say she met him at the playboy party? and why is she, err, naked (at least from the shoulders up)?

They call it the "bimbo" ad--they do not call it the "playmate" ad. Think about it.

SayUncle's picture

Halfdan, so? Why mention

Halfdan, so? Why mention the playboy party? Try again.

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Les Jones's picture

Halfdan:

Go watch the ad. The bimbo says "I met Harold at the Playboy party." Then at the end of the ad the same bimbo tells Howard to call her.


Hey, Les, why don't we just call each other assholes and get it over with. - Somebody on the old Southknoxbubba.net (if that was you, claim your quote and win net.fame!)

bizgrrl's picture

... tells Howard (??) to

... tells Howard (??) to call her (??). Who's Howard?

Les Jones's picture

s/Howard/Harold/g

Hey, Les, why don't we just call each other assholes and get it over with. - Somebody on the old Southknoxbubba.net (if that was you, claim your quote and win net.fame!)

Jeanne's picture

No accidental reactions in advertising

It's difficult to imagine that any shared response to a political ad is unintended or unforseen by the producer of the ad.

No experienced mudslinger would waste any of those precious 30-60 seconds on a character with only one purpose anymore than an experienced human being has only one response, conscious or otherwise, to any image. That's middle school video club level production.

This ad is the political equivalent of the HEAD ON commercials and it's not aimed at the politically engaged. It's written to warn any stay-at-home racists there's a ni**er at the door and white women in the house. Better stop him or he'll walk right in.

Michael Silence's picture

Andy

No offense taken. I have always found your writing and points to be civil and reasonable. Honestly, you prescribe way too much sophistication to us. I most certainly did not mean to be finger waging. Rather, I thought Randy hit the nail on the head. Yes, I'm part of the MSM. I'm also a husband, a father, a voter, a taxpayer, a friend, a consumer, a concerned citizen and a flippant SOB. All I'm asking is don't paint us with broad brushes. You'd be lucky to get three people in here to agree on where to go to lunch!

FYI: Political advertising revenue is a very small percentage of newpapers' revenue. I can't tell you what percentage that is because I've never paid much attention to it.

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No offense taken. I have

No offense taken. I have always found your writing and points to be civil and reasonable. Honestly, you prescribe way too much sophistication to us. I most certainly did not mean to be finger waging.

Well, thanks. I addressed Spintrep's concerns already, but let me spell out what I meant.

The comment about how less than 50% of the population votes is hardly attributable solely to the debased discourse on the Internet. Matter of fact, the discourse started getting ugly years ago.

I peg a lot of the really negative stuff to around 1987 when the Fairness Doctrine was, for all intents and purposes, abolished by the FCC. And yes, I know that print media doesn't have quite the pull that broadcast media does, but still. If you really want to voter dynamics vis-a-vis participation, I'd rank "partisan exchanges on Internet forum" as about 487th on a long list of other aggravating factors. Big money meets broadcast media is one. Lowered standards among broadcasters might be up there too. Abdication of responsibility for reporting facts among media outlets being yet anohter.

Why do fewer people participate? They get turned off. Who's slinging the mud? Political consultants and PR firms. Who's getting paid to blast that message into your homes? ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox. None of this is a big stretch.

I'm also a husband, a father, a voter, a taxpayer, a friend, a consumer, a concerned citizen and a flippant SOB. All I'm asking is don't paint us with broad brushes. You'd be lucky to get three people in here to agree on where to go to lunch!

The lunchtime standard wouldn't be a very good one in any working environment.

I wasn't trying to portray this as a broad-brush issue. It's more like this: If you want to seriously discuss the dynamic of voter turnoff, let's talk about issues like PAC contributions to political campaigns, or how the standards for truth in advertising have mutated into standards for truthiness.

It really bothers me that a professional journalist -- and I assume you read my post about the Tennessean's political editor -- would say that it's incumbent upon the outcome of an election to determine the veracity of a claim. Would this mean that, since he lost, that Max Cleland really was an Osama-loving coward who wanted America to be attacked repeatedly? Is that the operational standard? Sure sounded like it on NPR this morning.

If that's the set of assumptions which guides the Tennessean's editorial staff, then maybe I would be better off just reading blogs to get my information.

FYI: Political advertising revenue is a very small percentage of newpapers' revenue. I can't tell you what percentage that is because I've never paid much attention to it.

Yes, but note that in my original post that I said "Scripps-Howard." They do own media outlets other than print media last time I checked.

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Rachel's picture

Did anyone hear his NPR

Did anyone hear his NPR meltdown (Rove) yesterday? He's got polls that you can't see. He is all-knowing. It sounded like someone who could see the train coming but couldn't get out of the way.

I heard it.  And I thought he sounded pretty desperate.  Which surprised me quite a bit, actually - I always thought he was a pretty cool character.

And Randy, thanks for asking folks to tone it down.  The KKKorker stuff etc. was pretty offensive.

WhitesCreek's picture

The KKKorker stuff etc. was

The KKKorker stuff etc. was pretty offensive.

They started it but I am sorry you were offended...Ah....not really...I think Corker deserves the derision and frankly, I think the worst is yet to come. We will all be offended by Corker ads before this is over, not just those with tender sensibilities such as Gemini.

I still contend that the Republican's "Southern Strategy" is well grounded in fanning the flames of bigotry.

Ford's strength will be rising above that and inviting Republicans to repudiate  this incompetent administration and helping to change America.

Rachel's picture

 We will all be offended by

 We will all be offended by Corker ads before this is over, not just those with tender sensibilities such as Gemini.

I was very offended by the Corker ads - but I agree with Randy that doesn't mean it's ok to call Corker names or post pics implying he's KKK.  That's also offensive, and it just helps the other side.

cafkia's picture

For Uncle and 9 primarily

I do or have done a little acting, a little singing, a little writing.  I have been involved in the production of musical, verbal, and written political products(as well as a shitload of stuff that wasn't or, wasn't intended to be, political).   In addition to all those things, I have been black for, let's see, oh yes, a little over 51 years now.  The overwhelming majority of that time has been spent in TN.  The ad's are racist.  Your inability to see/hear that neither abrogates nor ameliorates the racism inherent in the ads.  The fact that you (yall) find the references obscure or trivial does not and cannot soften their blow to those who fully understand what is being said or inferred.  It is not indicative in the least of some level of oversensitivity on the part of those who get it and, it might not be indicative of overt callousness on your(yall's) part but, it could be.  I do think it naive of you(yall) to not know that an awfully high percentage of active knoxviewers will believe that you are exhibiting a textbook case of willful blindness (or deafness as appropriate).

 I'm a gun owner.

Rikki, the sexist nature of the call me ad in no way abrogates nor ameliorates the racist aspects of it.  But thanks for keeping us from forgetting that the GOP (Gross Old Perverts) is quite diverse in who they chose to discriminate against.

SKB, the ads set out to inflame passions.  They worked.  For many users of your fine forum, they inflamed passions other than as intended but, still they inflamed.  I personally found it somewhat comforting that folks saw the ads for what they were and were pissed off about them.  I suppose that misery isn't the only feeling that loves company.

CAFKIA 

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It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.
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metulj's picture

Dammit, now I owe you two

Dammit, now I owe you two (2) beers. 

 

True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler

Eleanor A's picture

R. NEAL - PLEASE REDACT ALL MY POSTS CONTAINING IMAGES

posted within the last month or so. Clearly the Corker campaign overlooks the mite in its own eye if it's using as evidence of the Ford campaign's "desperation" the posting of thematically similar, but not topically related, images on unaffiliated weblogs, or posts which are merely commenting on images contained in national media outlets.

Since the Corker folks are now using idly posted Photoshop images on independent websites to prop up their campaign, I plan to remove such evidence as is easily available. It's too bad they are continuing their pattern of distortions in press, media and other outlets into the blogosphere. These tactics are disappointing, but not unexpected.

cafkia's picture

Think Tarzan movies

Rikki and Factchecker et al, if you listen to the drums with real African drums in mind I suppose that it might be difficult to understand the offense.  If, OTOH, you listen with old Tarzan movies or television shows in mind, it clears things up.  That says to me that the drums ad is targeting white people (males mostly) approximately my age or older who might be thinking to use this vote to register their displeasure with what the rethugnantcans did with the last few votes they got from them.

Should be interesting to see what sort of efforts they make towards the younger crowd or whether they will just write them off as either already decided or apathetic.

 CAFKIA

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It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.
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Eleanor A's picture

WTF?

For the record, "Ford supporters" are not "using Klan propaganda." The Photoshop job was posted by blogger Billmon, as in (link...), a national blogger who's been commenting on the national news story about the "Call Me" ad. I personally am guilty of linking to an outside source for their take on a local situation, but given that Tennessee blogger Instapundit partakes of this tactic every day of the week without any particular denouncement by weblogs save this one, I don't think critics of that methodology have a leg to stand on.

I sincerely doubt the Ford campaign would have had the time or inclination to personally contact every reporter in the United States who ran a story about disturbing aspects of the "Call Me" ad, and it seems unfair to hold Rep. Ford personally responsible for the reactions of same. Marginalizing the thoughts of the hundreds of thousands of people who have now seen the ad and found it disturbing is a classic Republican ploy, similar to the commentary White House Press Secretary Tony Snow delivered the other day on Hardball when he claimed (and I quote directly): "Every African American candidate plays the race card when things happen he doesn't like." I'm quite sure he was referring to Democratic African American candidates, since there are about 43 times more African American Democrats as Republicans in the U.S. Congress.

Look, I'm sorry if the fact that this ad has ignited a national firestorm for the Corker people is inconvenient for them. And it's unfortunate (for them, anyway) that the net result has been a tidal wave of support for Rep. Ford from people throughout the country who have been offended by the ad. Some of those people are likely to have made financial contributions as well, a fact likely painful to the Corker campaign, which is now scrambling to raise more money...

I'd be surprised were the Corker camp not to try to spin this any way imaginable, particularly since the creator of the "Call Me" ad has been revealed as one Scott Howell, the same consultant who brought you advertising denouncing triple amputee war hero Max Cleland as 'unpatriotic', the ad comparing Virginia governor Tim Kaine to Hitler, and the image of black hands counting welfare money in a commercial supporting Oklahoma Republican Tom Coburn.

Personally, I fail to see how posting images of wrongs committed by avowed racists throughout the history of the country when confronted with offensive language by people outside the mainstream political spectrum is in any way connected to advertising being aired by the Corker campaign, but given the lengths these guys have gone to to discredit Rep. Ford? I sure wouldn't put it past them and am now going to redact them all, even though my personal views should not be construed as representative of those of the Ford campaign.

Bbeanster's picture

Steve, I'd been waiting to

Steve, I'd been waiting to hear from you on this.

As an off-white person who grew up in the white community here during the 50s and 60s, I was called a nigger -- to my face -- more times than I want to remember. My dad is descended from, literally, the oldest white family in Tennessee (the first white child born here was Russell Bean -- look it up). My mother is Puerto Rican. The second day of school after my family moved out to the country, at least one parent of almost every one of my new 6th-grade classmates came by Ritta Elementary School to get a look at the nigger -- me. When violence erupted in other parts of the country over the next three years, classmates would seek me out on the playground to inform me that "the niggers are needed in Little Rock" or Birmingham or Mississippi. To some extent this continued into high school and even college (UT was just barely integrated in those days).

Granted, I'm an old broad, but I haven't outlived all those people. They exist. They live right here in Knoxville. I know who and where they are. Hell, a fair number of them have the cojones to call me up every once in awhile and ask me to write about their kids or their churches or schools or their troubles, and they tell me how much they liked me back in the day. They are mostly Republicans, and I have not one doubt in this world that tonight they are bitching about the Democrats playing the "race card" over these TV spots. They are probably think the TV spots are funny, and I'd bet a bunch that, at most, they're calling them "tacky" because of the sexual element to the ad.

They also wonder why black folks don't vote Republican.

spintrep's picture

mea culpa

I have a sinking, sickening feeling about all of this at this point. It's depressing.

I was thinking you allow for the benefit of the doubt before judging or calling racism. I was thinking to stay above the need for political correctness.

I held off judgment on the earliest ad spot I heard about... the one where they said Jr's pic was darkened to remind people of his race. Didn't even see it.

But things proceeded, I notice the 'urban rap' style ads...

Then this bimbo ad... IMO, more tasteless and distorted, with a twist of sexual innuendo... but then I began to ask myself - if the ad makers are willing to distort practically anything with any of these ads, maybe they ARE intending to sneak the racist thing in the bimbo ad too. Ambiguous to an open minded viewer (like myself or maybe rikki,) but loaded with imagery and messages to other demographic groups.

And now this drum thing. I'm over my innocence.

This isn't about benefit of doubt anymore for me. That's exactly the bar they're trying to sneak this shit in with.

And politically correct? I've arrived at a new standard of application for this term within the context of political advertising. I never expect them to be truthful or fair, but I'm looking past the messages and seeing how far these people are willing to go to manipulate a vulnerability of emotion with certain targeted groups.

2 days, 180 degrees.

Joe P.'s picture

Thanks

Thanks R., for attempting to place the debate on those wacky notions of national policy and international policy and the massive failures of the current GOP leadership.

More and more the themes of political ads trend towards Fear and Loathing and little else.

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