This morning President Bush and President Karzai of Afghanistan had a brief press conference at the White House. After some introductory remarks, they opened the floor for questions. You can read the full transcript here.
The first question came from Jennifer Loven:
Q Thank you, sir. Even after hearing that one of the major conclusions of the National Intelligence Estimate in April was that the Iraq war has fueled terror growth around the world, why have you continued to say that the Iraq war has made this country safer?
This is when Bush announced that he had ordered the report declassified, to the extent possible. But there's lots more to his answer:
I, of course, read the key judgments on the NIE. I agree with their conclusion that because of our successes against the leadership of al Qaeda, the enemy is becoming more diffuse and independent. I'm not surprised the enemy is exploiting the situation in Iraq and using it as a propaganda tool to try to recruit more people to their -- to their murderous ways.
Some people have guessed what's in the report and have concluded that going into Iraq was a mistake. I strongly disagree. I think it's naive. I think it's a mistake for people to believe that going on the offense against people that want to do harm to the American people makes us less safe. The terrorists fight us in Iraq for a reason: They want to try to stop a young democracy from developing, just like they're trying to fight another young democracy in Afghanistan. And they use it as a recruitment tool, because they understand the stakes. They understand what will happen to them when we defeat them in Iraq.
You know, to suggest that if we weren't in Iraq, we would see a rosier scenario with fewer extremists joining the radical movement requires us to ignore 20 years of experience. We weren't in Iraq when we got attacked on September the 11th. We weren't in Iraq, and thousands of fighters were trained in terror camps inside your country, Mr. President. We weren't in Iraq when they first attacked the World Trade Center in 1993. We weren't in Iraq when they bombed the Cole. We weren't in Iraq when they blew up our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. My judgment is, if we weren't in Iraq, they'd find some other excuse, because they have ambitions. They kill in order to achieve their objectives.
You know, in the past, Osama bin Laden used Somalia as an excuse for people to join his jihadist movement. In the past, they used the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It was a convenient way to try to recruit people to their jihadist movement. They've used all kinds of excuses.
This government is going to do whatever it takes to protect this homeland. We're not going to let their excuses stop us from staying on the offense. The best way to protect America is defeat these killers overseas so we do not have to face them here at home. We're not going to let lies and propaganda by the enemy dictate how we win this war.
Now, you know what's interesting about the NIE -- it was a intelligence report done last April. As I understand, the conclusions -- the evidence on the conclusions reached was stopped being gathered on February -- at the end of February. And here we are, coming down the stretch in an election campaign, and it's on the front page of your newspapers. Isn't that interesting? Somebody has taken it upon themselves to leak classified information for political purposes.
I talked to John Negroponte today, the DNI. You know, I think it's a bad habit for our government to declassify every time there's a leak, because it means that it's going to be hard to get good product out of our analysts. Those of you who have been around here long enough know what I'm talking about. But once again, there's a leak out of our government, coming right down the stretch in this campaign, -- to create confusion in the minds of the American people, in my judgment, is why they leaked it.
And so we're going to -- I told the DNI to declassify this document. You can read it for yourself. We'll stop all the speculation, all the politics about somebody saying something about Iraq, somebody trying to confuse the American people about the nature of this enemy. And so John Negroponte, the DNI, is going to declassify the document as quickly as possible. He'll declassify the key judgments for you to read yourself. And he'll do so in such a way that we'll be able to protect sources and methods that our intelligence community uses. And then everybody can draw their own conclusions about what the report says.
President Karzai, before he went on to respond to Loven's second question, added his own observations on what must have seemed to him to be an expression of sheer lunacy:
PRESIDENT KARZAI: Ma'am, before I go to remarks by my brother, President Musharraf, terrorism was hurting us way before Iraq or September 11th. The President mentioned some examples of it. These extremist forces were killing people in Afghanistan and around for years, closing schools, burning mosques, killing children, uprooting vineyards, with vine trees, grapes hanging on them, forcing populations to poverty and misery.
They came to America on September 11th, but they were attacking you before September 11th in other parts of the world. We are a witness in Afghanistan to what they are and how they can hurt. You are a witness in New York. Do you forget people jumping off the 80th floor or 70th floor when the planes hit them? Can you imagine what it will be for a man or a woman to jump off that high? Who did that? And where are they now? And how do we fight them, how do we get rid of them, other than going after them? Should we wait for them to come and kill us again? That's why we need more action around the world, in Afghanistan and elsewhere, to get them defeated -- extremism, their allies, terrorists and the like.
Bush also refused to be drawn into the low-class blame game that Bill Clinton played on Fox News. Asked about Clinton's accusations, he responded, in part:
You know, look, Caren, I've watched all this finger-pointing and naming of names, and all that stuff. Our objective is to secure the country. And we've had investigations, we had the 9/11 Commission, we had the look back this, we've had the look back that. The American people need to know that we spend all our time doing everything that we can to protect them. So I'm not going to comment on other comments.
And later:
But there's a difference of opinion. It will come clear during this campaign, where people will say, get out, leave before the job is done. And those are good, decent, patriotic people who believe that way -- I just happen to believe they're absolutely wrong. So I'm going to continue to work to protect this country. And we'll let history judge -- all the different finger-pointing and all that business. I don't have enough time to finger-point. I've got to stay -- I've got to do my job, which comes home every day in the Oval Office, and that is to protect the American people from further attack.
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"And we've had
"And we've had investigations, we had the 9/11 Commission"
And who fought the 9/11 Commission tooth and nail every inch of the way and who has failed to implement the recommendations of that commission?
The only thing that makes us any safer now than we were on 9/11/01 is the fact that we are five years closer to the end of this man's presidency.
He paints a great picture
He paints a great picture but still the fact remains that if Bush had only gone after Osama like he should have instead of invading Iraq. We would have had more world support, and Iraq wouldn't have been the breeding ground for terrorist as it is now. Entering into Iraq unprovoked, only fueled more hatred for our country, which in turn, made recruiting for terrorist easier and made the battle worse for our country. How do you think the Iraqis feel now? sure they got rid of Sadamm but now they have a new threat to their country which under Sadamm they didn't have.
break tag!!!
Break tag, please.
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thanks to whoever fixed it - RD
Bush also refused to be
Bush also refused to be drawn into the low-class blame game that Bill Clinton played on Fox News.
If Bush is the definition of class, then this country has taken a giant leap backwards. Clinton, in my view, is nothing but a class act. Knew it would only be a matter of time before the repugs tried to spin the faux interview to their advantage. Only thing I fault Clinton for, is he should have known better than to grant an interview to the less-news, more-propaganda, faux station.
Powerful? 2x2=4, 2x3=6, 2x4=8...
There are way too many complete, coherent sentences in this transcript; more completed thoughts than Bush has ever expressed before. Also lots of opinion from someone who generally hasn’t any at all, and few verifiable facts. I'm sure he spent long hours memorizing and practicing these prepared propaganda speeches like a student who slept through class, skipped the reading assignment and then hired a tutor to stay up all night and coach him before the big exam. Too bad Bush’s efforts at running the country never quite equal his efforts at maintaining republican power through every election cycle.
JaHu, I disagree that Clinton made a mistake in granting the interview. He knew the spin would be written, rehearsed and ready to spew within seconds of the interview being aired. Brit Hume did his part by claiming that Clinton was simply concerned for his legacy; the rest of the Fox panel followed suit by ignoring the content of Clinton’s answers while feigning shock at his anger. The right misunderestimated Clinton’s ability to instantly switch focus and fire back when attacked. This wasn’t about a blue dress, and they got their asses handed to them.
awwww....
Is there anything more adorable than watching one dog lap up another dog's vomit?
And it is vomit. Compare Bush's scripted response with Clinton's remarks in the Wallace interview. Clinton answered the question directly ("I obviously didn't do enough because we didn't catch him"), provided a factual explanation for what he had done and griped about the lack of accountability demanded of his successor. Bush, on the other hand, offered illogical diversions. His answer is not even consistent. He says the terrorists have grown more "diffuse and independent" then has them concentrated in Iraq and united against our effort to create a democracy there just a few sentences later.
That crap about "we weren't in Iraq on 9/11" is a base insult to rationality that only a vomit-lapper like RedDog could find tasty.
One question
One question: Where the hell is bin Laden?? Regardless of the fact that Sandy Berger left a pile of memos on Condoleezza's desk that she was too busy shoe-shopping to read, they've now had five years to catch that sonofabitch and for some inexplicable reason, despite the fact we're spending 1.5 billion a week on a war billed as payback for 9/11, he's still out there.
WHY? This is the most powerful nation on earth! Liberals are just as appalled as anyone that innocent people were killed on 9/11. Despite the hay Republicans made out of that event - and the fact the Republican mayor and governor of New York have yet to break ground on a memorial on the site - I think it's a travesty the man who killed all those people is still at large. There is absolutely no excuse for it. "Tough on crime," my ass.
Hiding from the most powerful nation on earth
One question: Where the hell is bin Laden?? ... they've now had five years to catch that sonofabitch and for some inexplicable reason, despite the fact we're spending 1.5 billion a week on a war billed as payback for 9/11, he's still out there.
FWIW, consider this:
July 27, 1996: The Olympic Games in Atlanta are bombed.
January 16, 1997: an Atlanta abortion clinic is bombed.
February 21, 1997: an Atlanta gay and lesbian nightclub is bombed.
January 29, 1998: Birmingham abortion clinic is bombed.
February 14, 1998: FBI identifies Eric Robert Rudolph as a prime suspect.
May 5, 1998 Rudolph is added to 10 Most Wanted List by FBI and $1,000,000 is offered for his arrest.
May 31, 2003, five years after being placed on the most wanted list, during which time everyone in law enforcement knew he was hiding somewhere in the mountains of East Tennessee/North Carolina/Georgia he was finally arrested. more by accident than anything else.
Point is, if you know the terrain and have some help, hiding from "the most powerful nation on earth" doesn't appear to be that difficult. With Rudolph hiding in this country it took five years to find him. With Bin Laden hiding in rugged, lawless and hostile territory, with an entire infrastructure in place to assist him, how suprised should we be that he has yet to be captured?
Don't forget 3Q06 -- Richard
Don't forget 3Q06 -- Richard Jewell falsely accused of being the perp.
The same could have been said for Saddam Hussein before he was taken from his spider-hole.
Truth is, getting Bin Laden has not been a Bush administration priority.
Iraq has been the priority. But not because of 9/11...
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On tops of mountains, as everywhere to hopeful souls, it is always morning. --H. Thoreau
That's a valid point, but
That's a valid point, but Rudolph was truly in hiding, whereas bin Laden has continued to release audio and video recordings and presumably act as the leader of al Qaeda.
Also, the hunt for Rudolph was conducted within the confines of the law, while the pursuit of bin Laden has excused indefinite, secret detentions, torture, invasions, reform of the intelligence infrastructure (and deliberate sabotage thereof), creation of a massive, overarching police bureaucracy and expenditures approaching a trillion dollars.
Hey Folks, Anybody who
Hey Folks,
Anybody who still thinks "It's Clinton's fault" is either a moron, a right wing regurgitator, or both. Let's not be distracted.
Somebody needs to remind the world that in spite of Bush lying about it, we were, in fact, in Iraq on 9-11. Bush was protecting Al Zarqawi from Saddam, as a matter of fact.
Clinton did warn Bush about Al Queda.
Richard Clarke did hand over the playbook on dealing with them in Afghanistan.
The question is just as Clinton framed it, "Why is Chris Wallace acting as a right wing hit man, instead of pointing out Bush's lies?"
Or that Condi is lying when she says they weren't told?
The Clinton did it is a total misdirection play. Ignore it. Hammer on the abject incompetence of this administration and it's deep, revulsive, and well documented corruption.
The question is just as
Why? Because he's employed by Roger Ailes. He's paid not to point out Bush's lies.
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On tops of mountains, as everywhere to hopeful souls, it is always morning. --H. Thoreau