Tue
Sep 26 2006
09:09 pm
By: michael kaplan
Councilman Steve Hall gave us another great moment at City Council tonight. In the discussion on the Knoxville South Waterfront Redevelopment Plan, Hall revealed that he owned property within the 'expanded' redevelopment area (the recently included area outside the original Vision Plan) but had never received notice to that effect from KCDC. He said that 4 out of the 11 home owners on his block had not received notice either. Hall was the lone city council member to vote against the Redevelopment Plan, which included substantial tax-increment financing.
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Steve Hall???
Hall doesn't live in South Knox, his district is Northwest Knox, Hultquist is South Knox. Regardless, I don't trust KCDC or community visioning processes, as they have a building set up where neighbors can come by and offer their vision. Stacey
Steve Hall does own property
Steve Hall does own property in south knoxville tho. In fact, Mamaw was wondering on here a month or so ago why his street wasn't included in the redevelopment area (it was later added).
It's not good that not everyone received their letter. It's bad. OTOH, KCDC swears they sent one to every property owner. So it's hard to fault that.
And there was some talk tonight from at least one person about lack of public discussion on this subject. There were two (well-attended) neighborhood meetings, a City Council workship, and a (VERY well-attended) KCDC public hearing on this plan. Plus Mamaw distributed flyers all over her neighborhood. It's really hard to imagine that anybody who's paying the slightest bit of attention to what's going on with the South Waterfront didn't know know about the plan.
Rob Frost told me today that he'd gotten exactly TWO calls about it. I suspect that's precisely because most folks (not all, but most) got their questions and concerns addressed at one of the meetings.
BTW, there were substantial changes to the draft plan that incorporated a lot of the public feedback.
Back to lurking now.
Letters
Diana Conn didn't recieve a letter, and she would be looking for one.
It seems to me the letters went to homeowners in the vision plan area only, I haven't talked to anyone from the expanded boundary who recieved one.
Sure, people would know about the plan, but a huge chunk of people would be thinking "oh that's nice but it doesn't affect me directly"
gemini wrote: "OTOH, KCDC
gemini wrote:
"OTOH, KCDC swears they sent one to every property owner. So it's hard to fault that."
Actually, it's easy to fault that, without more information than KCDC's swear words. The letters seem to have been sent a long time ago. Mamaw never received hers. Others have reported not receiving them. What did KCDC do after learning not all property owners got their letters. Did KCDC send follow-up letters? Did KCDC check the database from which the letters were sent? Did KCDC include dummy addresses to check bounce-backs? Was it seeded with known addresses to check delivery date? Once they knew letters were not received, did KCDC check with the post office to see if they'd had some kind of foul up?
At the very least, investigation after that fact should be done in a good faith attempt to root out the problems. And since weeks ago reports were posted here (at least), one would think that perhaps KCDC could have taken the initiative to investigate, fix glitches, and send notifications out again.
I don't expect you to know the answers, gemini. OTOH, KCDC's swear words shouldn't be the end of the inquiry. Having managed the tedious business of direct mailing in the private sector in another lifetime, I can assure you it's standard practice to ensure your addresses are clean and to build in checks to determine if your mail house is getting your materials out in timely fashion and if the materials are going to at least some of the addresses included in the mailing. Managers in the private sector who don't monitor timely delivery of critical material would get their chops busted for sure with so many non-deliveries. What happens in the government sector?
Barring more explanation of what happened with the notifications, I'm afraid it's easy to fault "that."
Diana Conn didn't recieve a
Diana Conn didn't recieve a letter, and she would be looking for one.
Did I say that everyone got their letter? I did not. I don't know what happened; obviously there was a screwup somewhere.
I stand by my statement that folks who are paying attention know what's going on - especially with regards to the redevelopment plan, and especially in Mamaw's neighborhood. Mamaw took care of that.
And there was an awful lot of Old Sevier folks at the public meetings......
Letters
Well I don't personally deliver notices to everybody, most get passed along to neighbor deliverers and it's beyond my control after that. Sometimes I put up signs, but heck it's hard to keep up with all the meeting times and places, one week it's thurday at the church, the nexit it's Thursdaya the drop-in center, then it's wednesday at the drop in center.......
The old law required that certified letters be sent to affected property owners, that way there would be a record of what letters were recieved. BTW I did get a regular letter, back several weeks ago, to an old adress I'd changed when I paid taxes 6 moths ago.
gemini said "Steve Hall does
gemini said "Steve Hall does own property in south knoxville tho. In fact, Mamaw was wondering on here a month or so ago why his street wasn't included in the redevelopment area (it was later added)...."
Watching the meeting, Hall did say he owned property in the affected area. Since he could stand to benefit from it, I don't think he COULD have voted for the proposal.
jeff wrote: "I don't think
jeff wrote: "I don't think he COULD have voted for the proposal."
My thought at the time was that Hall probably should have recused himself. I was wondering, too, whether Hultquist had any financial interest in the area.
>I was wondering, too,
>I was wondering, too, whether Hultquist had any financial interest in >the area.
Well, you know Hultquist, always hustling to make a quick buck...
Heh. The only property
Heh. The only property Hultquist the individual owns is in Island Home (his personal residence, I believe), which is not in the redevelopment area. A rising tide on the riverfront might float all boats, even in nearby Island Home, but everybody's got to live somewhere and this doesn't appear to be any conflict of interest. (No more than Gemini, but she's not an elected official, yet.)
conflict of interest
r. neal wrote: "this doesn't appear to be any conflict of interest."
i've wondered what 'conflict of interest' for city council could mean. every city council member represents her/his district and votes on issues in that district. since home ownership is a financial interest in the district, could every vote on a district-related issue be construed as a conflict?
btw, did anyone attend the james howard kunstler lecture? he had some interesting comments on waterfront redevelopment.
I did not. What did he say?
I did not. What did he say?
(See the Feed-O-Rama over on the right, look for Enclave's posts. Apparently there's a similar project underway in Nashville.)
As for conflicts, maybe its a good thing that people living in the districts they represent look out for their own interests which would presumably align with most other residents' interests.
kunstler's waterfront
in a nutshell, kunstler stated that, in the future, we would probably need our waterfronts for purposes more serious than upscaled condos and promenades. i won't elaborate, but simply reference his book "The Long Emergency."
Marty McFly reporting...
Water-borne heavy freight is cheap. Primarily it is a bulk-haul operation right now, but with 12-foot containers showing up at our ports, barge borne container traffic isn't too far off in the future. Thank your lucky stars the Tennessee has been rendered navigable is probably what he is getting at.
In 2036 third generation Knoxville Mayor Biff Haslam announces a bold plan by KCDC and the City of Knoxville to purchase the City Waterfront park to be used as multi-use barge transit center.
Combined with a 100 million dollar Federal Grant the proposed Barge Transit Center will have a shopping mall immediately above the enclosed barge terminal with 25 floors of condo residences above the shopping mall. Starting prices for the condos are estimated at $750.00 per square foot.
A 100 million TIF will be used in conjunction with the Federal grant. The plus of this plan is at the very top of the structure a "Park with a View" will be featured show casing the only grass top surface on a building in the state of Tennessee.
SKB, could you provide the artwork for this?
Heard him in Air America
Heard him in Air America last year talking about that book. A little over the top maybe, but definitely fascinating, and scary.
Same crap different town.
Same crap different town.
Hall did say he owned
Hall did say he owned property in the affected area. Since he could stand to benefit from it, I don't think he COULD have voted for the proposal.
Actually, I wondered if he was about to recuse himself...
And the one with all the apostrophes is quite right - KCDC should have followed up on the complaints about unreceived notices. I don't know whether or not they did.
I guess what bugged me was that SOME (not on this board last night) were quick to insinuate that the failure of everyone to receive a letter was some kind of deliberate shell game, rather than a just a foul up. As far as I can see, the City has acted with good faith on this effort.
As far as I can see, the
As far as I can see, the City has acted with good faith on this effort.
This may help.
Best link joke of the day.
Best link joke of the day. So far.
(Although the Corker Magic 8 Ball was pretty good, too.)
ok, #9, I think I challenged
ok, #9, I think I challenged you to this once before:
Name three specific ways the City has demonstrated bad faith in interacting with the community on the south waterfront effort. NOT a decision you disagree with, NOT a screwup, but an actual act of bad faith. Hell, name one.
I think the "screwup" loophole makes this more difficult.
Name three specific ways the City has demonstrated bad faith in interacting with the community on the south waterfront effort. NOT a decision you disagree with, NOT a screwup, but an actual act of bad faith. Hell, name one.
Would increasing the area by a factor or three count, or is that considered a "screwup"?
Having identified only 51 million of the 139 million dollars needed an act of bad faith, or is that considered a "screwup"?
Is the fact that many people were never notified of this new area considered a "screwup"?
I think the "screwup" loophole makes this more difficult.