Sat
Sep 9 2006
04:20 pm
By: Socialist With ...
Although we can't seem to get a simple gazebo built, the construction on the bajillion-dollar sprawl-o-rama that is Northshore Town Center seems to be proceeding apace, even without the $9 million TIF that was declared crucial to the future of the project.

We can't build a simple little structure to benefit the community, but we sure seem adept at building yet more unnecessary retail sprawl in the western ZIP codes.
Yay us.
(Pardon the crap picture quality -- I only had my cellphone with me.)
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northshore development
When my teenager wants a part-time job at a shopping area on Northshore, I'm going to say yes. If I had to drive my teen downtown, the answer would be no.
What's with all this
"People who ride buses are
"People who ride buses are poor and often drug addicts and/or criminals as well!"
I like how you linked the poor right in there with drug addicts and criminals, nice touch!
Bus riding isn't just for the poor
A good friend of mine lives in Farragut and works at UT. He drives to the Park N Ride and takes the bus to work everyday. He is neither poor or drug addicted.
I would happily ride the bus if I didn't have to risk life and limb walking down Northshore Drive to get to a bus stop. The nearest Park N Ride is farther away than most of my destinations. And I am certain that if I parked in Weigel's parking lot all day repeatedly that I would return to find my car towed.
I am not bothered with this sprawl. The design of the community is nice although I do not think I'd buy a million dollar plus home with Interstate noise. What bothers me is that, if I recall correctly, the profit from this development goes to South Carolina not Knoxville. I am also bothered by our modern development techniques of flattening and striping the land instead of building to its natural contours. Just look at the swath of land in Rocky Hill that is becoming condos.
"if I parked in Weigel's
"if I parked in Weigel's parking lot all day repeatedly that I would return to find my car towed."
In Kent Island Maryland they have park and ride lots. They are there to provide transportation for people who work in DC and to soften the blow of toll fees crossing the Bay Bridge daily. I think the concept would also work in Knoxville and Knox county. Some sort of survelence would need to be set up to thwart of vandalism and theft.
Knoxville has 3 Park N Ride
Knoxville has 3 Park N Ride locations ( (link...) ) in Halls, Cedar Bluff, and Farragut. They need more. And they need a route that runs Northshore.
Knoxville has 3 Park N Ride
Knoxville has 3 Park N Ride locations ( (link...) ) in Halls, Cedar Bluff, and Farragut. They need more. And they need a route that runs Northshore.
But is there a Federal Grant for Park N Ride?
I wonder how many Park N Rides you could build for 20 million dollars? You could put a branch library on top on each one.
All kidding aside, why not Park N Rides at area branch libraries?
"What bothers me is that, if
"What bothers me is that, if I recall correctly, the profit from this development goes to South Carolina not Knoxville."
I don't know if the money goes to South Carolina or not but, I think Mt. Pleasant South Carolina is the first place to develope a shopping district like the one being developed on Northshore. When it was first developed, the concept was really refreshing to visit. It feels somewhat like a small town setting, but eventually it takes on the feel of just a normal shopping center, and I think their attractiveness will eventually fade.
In the late 1980's, some
In the late 1980's, some developers constructed one of these fake "town centers" in Reston, Virginia (a suburb of DC). What had previously been open fields and stands of fairly old trees became a bulldozed, paved-over cluster of buildings with a completely fake pseudo-urban density. There, in the middle of nowhere (at the time) arose this "downtown" sort of thing, surrounded by an enormous parking lot. Nothing else was around it. Its "Main Street" didn't go anywhere but from one side of the encircling parking lot to the other.
It looked and felt like a movie set, with all the inauthenticity that implies.
I realize the Northshore Town Center will connect to both Northshore Drive and Pellissippi, so it might end up being something other than an oversized Potemkin village. It just seems like a waste of both land and investment capital to bulldoze a few hundred acres and build up an area of town that doesn't really seem to need it all that much. I drive down Northshore basically every day, and I don't recall ever thinking to myself, "Gee, I don't think Farragut has nearly enough commercial, retail, or residential development."
When was the last time anything new and substantial was built east of Papermill Drive (not counting TDOT projects)? When was the last time anyone saw a bulldozer in Knoxville east of Bearden Hill?
I realize that gobs of money have been plowed into downtown redevelopment, and (if the existing neighborhoods are respected) I think the South Knox Waterfront development could be a grand thing indeed. However, these are very recent reversals of the westward push that's been happening for almost four decades now. Why do we need more of the same?
I'm certainly not anti-development per se, but I do think we could do a lot better as a community in encouraging a more effective balance of development and investment spread across different voting precincts, as well as reusing previously developed land. If developers can convert Potomac Yards from a Superfund site into the hottest real estate in the DC area, then the same could surely be done with the Coster Shop property (which is about a tenth the size of Potomac Yards). Bulldozing stands of trees and flattening hilltops just doesn't seem necessary.
--Socialist With A Gold Card
"I'm a socialist with a gold card. I firmly believe we need a revolution; I'm just concerned that I won't be able to get good moisturizer afterwards." --Brett Butler
If a 250 million dollar
If a 250 million dollar project must have a 9 million dollar TIF to be viable, how viable can it be?
GM ran this ad a while
GM ran this ad a while back:
(they spelled "weirdoes" incorrectly)
Seriously? That's a real ad?
Seriously? That's a real ad?
Yes, it's a real ad; it ran
Yes, it's a real ad; it ran in Vancouver. GM pulled it and apologized after the Canadian Urban Transport Association raised a big stink.
Some allege that GM has been waging war on public transportation for nigh on 80 years. Opinions vary, though.