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By: R. Neal  shortURL
Another GOP-lite Democrat will not get it done in the general election.
("Stevens and his supporters don’t use the word 'Democrat' to describe him very often; they prefer 'social libertarian/fiscal moderate.')
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Wow.
And if Stevens doesn't have the guts to challenge Campy in the primary, it doesn't look like Campy is going anywhere for a while.
One person in the R primary
One person in the R primary can beat Campfield. Two (or more) challengers divide the anti-Campfield vote and Campfield would rise to the top.
Hard work, a lot of planning,
Hard work, a lot of planning, and knocking on every door in the district is the only way to beat Campfield. Campfield doesn't get elected because of party. Having the "R" next to his name certainly doesn't hurt him in this area, but he wins elections because he knocks on doors. When a voter goes to the polls, they vote for that nice boy who came by the house. The person they've never met doesn't have much chance, no matter how many yard signs they might put out there.
P.S. Piling on from the
P.S. Piling on from the get-go because this guy doesn't pass the liberal version of a Tea-Party purity test is really not a bright thing to do.
From the article: "Though Stevens’ platform is fairly typical of Democratic ideals—it includes support for environmental protections, marriage equality, and more efficient education strategies—he says he would defer to Haslam’s business knowledge when it comes to creating jobs."
That sounds like a reasonable stance to take, particularly as a candidate in East Tennessee.
Nationally, the Republicans are in trouble because they've cannibalized their own for lack of purity. Locally, it seems to be the Democrats who do that. Either way, it's a really good way to assure you won't win many elections.
Piling on from the get-go
Piling on from the get-go because this guy doesn't pass the liberal version of a Tea-Party purity test is really not a bright thing to do.
I'm not very bright. Maybe you can explain "social libertarian." And "more efficient education strategies."
Yes, he's pretty good at
When a voter goes to the polls, they vote for that nice boy who came by the house.
Yes, he was pretty good at that in his house races. But it gets a lot harder in a senate race where the districts are three times bigger.
Unfortunately or is it Fortunately?
You are absolutely correct. He does work hard, and his minions work hard for him, too. Since Shree Petigrew (sp?) ran against Campy for his state house seat in 2004, I have never had a Dem opposing him knock on my door. EVER. Never, ever, ever. Why is that?
Thing is, Randy is also right. There needs to be a very clear difference between Campy and the Dem running against him, not some mushy conservative-DINO/RINO-lite. We've been doing that for a while and it isn't working.
"There needs to be a very
"There needs to be a very clear difference between Campy and the Dem running against him, not some mushy conservative-DINO/RINO-lite. We've been doing that for a while and it isn't working."
Great god almighty, I am weary of people who equate 'not meeting every point of my purity test' with 'not being any different from the other side.'
Before today, I'd never heard of Stevens.
I just found this: TN Senate 7th District Campfield VS Stevens
Read that article, and come back to tell me exactly how Stevens isn't sufficiently different from Campfield to meet your needs.
What I think is that you read the Metro Pulse article and decided that, because he's decided to try to brand himself as, well, himself, instead of generic Democrat, and because he's willing to concede that it's possible that Bill Haslam has some qualifications to be Governor, that he's nothing but a DINO.
From what little I've read about the guy today, it seems like he could be a good candidate and a refreshingly sane alternative to Campfield.
So what say you find out more about the guy before you label him as a milquetoast clone of Campfield? Or, you could just go ahead and start campaigning directly for Campfield in hopes that another term will give him enough notoriety that he gets his own weekly feature on the Colbert Report.
Great god almighty, I am
Great god almighty, I am weary of people who equate 'not meeting every point of my purity test' with 'not being any different from the other side.'
Gosh, I'm not sure about meeting Every Point of a Purity Test, but perhaps Democrats should at least expect a candidate to claim to be a Democrat if they want to run as a Democrat and expect Democrats and the Democratic Party to support them?
GGA2
From the MP article:
Seriously? Did that statement not raise any red flags for you?
From the Daily Beacon (dated 11/1/2012) we find the "self-proclaimed social libertarian with moderate economic views".
Well, Somebody, that is not a Democrat, now is it? Why do you believe the Knox County Dems need to fracture the party further? And, why shouldn't Stevens run as a third party candidate congruent with his political beliefs, because he really does not look like a strong candidate on paper. So, yeah, let's just keep muddying up the Knox Dems, because, well, they ain't never gonna win nothin, no how. (/sarcasm)
What is social libertarian, anyway? I'm really tempted to say the shorter version of a social libertarian is a schizophrenic Ayn Rand. And in the end, hmmm, I can't help but keep coming back to that r-lite characterization.
PS the link you provided had a big blank spot after something Stevens supported, so I honestly have no blessed clue what he was supposed to have supported. Based on the next paragraph, it appears to have something to do with education. Could be my browser or my ad blocker.
Uh no.
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Not sure our any thoughts on Stevens' candidacy are even relevant...
Like Bean put it, "Campfield's ass is grass and Richard Briggs is a lawnmower," IF Briggs should run.
And I think he will run. He told me he will, anyway.
Personally, I think a Briggs victory in 2014 is far more likely than a Stevens victory.
"Personally, I think a Briggs
"Personally, I think a Briggs victory in 2014 is far more likely than a Stevens victory."
It certainly is if the liberal commentariat sandbags their own candidates before they even get started.
I'd like to see Stacey X sit
I'd like to see Stacey X sit on a couch in some old lady's house and say that Richard Briggs is a godless homosexual who wants to abort babies and voted for Obama, twice.
Well, Briggs does speak
Well, Briggs does speak French.
Aha, he's one of them.
Aha, he's one of them.
"tall and strapping" Okay,
"tall and strapping"
Okay, then.
Stevens will run on the Democratic ticket, but mostly for the purposes of raising his odds against Campfield.
Sure, sure.
would defer to Haslam’s business knowledge when it comes to creating jobs.
"He knows what will bring business here. And I think it’s great we have a businessman as a governor," Stevens says
Alrighty then.
I repeat: Campfield's ass is
I repeat:
Campfield's ass is grass and Rick Briggs is a lawnmower.
Stevens is gearing up to run against someone who's unlikely to get through the Republican primary. Campfield is not popular among Republicans in general. He depends on a multi-candidate field and wins by a plurality, never a majority. And he has never faced an opponent as competent and well-financed as Briggs, who is, on paper, a damned near perfect candidate.
Briggs is out talking to people and getting commitments, and his presence in the race will chill the opposition. Nobody but the usual crazies will bother to run.
War hero?
Check
Esteemed heart surgeon?
Check
Political experience?
Check
Married, stable and a pillar of the community?
Check
Campfield won't beat him and neither will Stevens.
I'm not sure why anybody evens bothers to do a Stevens v Campfield story.
I'm not sure why anybody
I'm not sure why anybody evens bothers to do a Stevens v Campfield story.
Exactly.
Stevens has a pretty light resume (instructor at UT, "chair of the Campus Entertainment Board" and "put in charge of organizing and running meetings with [3M] clients").
Randy Walker had a pretty strong resume (management post at ORNL), was active in his community, got out and about, was able to raise a little money, and still got beat by 20 points (57% Campfield v. 37% Walker).
But good for Stevens for supporting marriage equality. So does Dick Cheney. Good for Stevens for supporting the environment. So does Lamar Alexander. And good for Stevens for supporting education. So do Bill Frist, Jamie Woodson, Kevin Huffman and Bill Haslam. Stevens also says he "strongly prefers a smaller, more efficient government" and lower taxes. So does Ron Ramsey.
Also, can't find any record of any Stevens campaign donations to any Democrats. Wonder if he's ever voted in a Democratic primary?
I'm sure he's a nice enough guy and all, but Democrats would need a lot better candidate to beat Campfield in a general election.
Betty's plan makes more sense if the goal is to beat Campfield.
Randy Walker
Randy was a decent fellow and a poor candidate. He had no chance.
Stevens' voting record
Stevens' voting record:
04 General: Voted in person
06 General: Voted early
08 General: Voted absentee
10 General: Voted absentee
04 State Primary: Did not vote
06 State Primary: Did not vote
08 State Primary: Did not vote
10 State Primary: Voted absentee, Republican
12 State Primary: Voted absentee, Democrat
08 Presidential Primary: Voted early, Democrat
12 Presidential Primary: Voted absentee, Republican
No data available for local elections.
Why would anybody do a
Why would anybody do a Stevens v Campfield story? I guess for the same reason you're concocting a Briggs v Campfield story. Two years out, you're sure no one else will run in that Republican primary? In 2008, Campfield won the Republican primary by 53% in a three-man race. There was a multi-candidate field, but he won by a majority, not a plurality. Campfied's antics have consistently generated great confidence that there's no way he can win the next race, and thus far, he keeps winning them anyway. His support is not based on Republicans in general. His support is based on people who come out to vote, in general.
Briggs is surely a formidable candidate, but it's a little early to be calling the race for him. Even with Briggs' bona fides, that plurality thing could still happen for Campfield. A multi-candidate race splits the anti-Campfield vote, not the anti-Briggs vote.
Which leads me back to my original point. Why on earth would Democrats start out of the gate by cutting down their own candidates before they've even gotten started, particularly based on just a few characterizations in a single article? All I know about Stevens is what I've read today, and to me he looks like a well-liked center-left candidate who is willing to work hard to get elected. Why the rush to dismiss the guy?
Two years out, you're sure no
That's not what I said. Briggs will be an great impediment to credible candidates. Crazies will run just for the attention.
And Campfield wouldn't have beaten Ron Leadbetter in 2010 if Steve Hill hadn't run. Look it up.
Campfield's ass is grass and
Campfield's ass is grass and Rick Briggs is a lawnmower.
Exactly right. Or to use another tired metaphor, Briggs is a toaster and Stacey is the bread.
I hope I can find this thread
I hope I can find this thread again in two years.
True, IF...
IF Stacey X doesn't get two other friends to run in the GOP primary and split Brigg's vote.
Because that's what's going to happen.
Not this time
I think Briggs is strong enough to beat Stacey, even with others on the ballot.
Of course I've been wrong before.....
how bout this scenario....
stacey sandbags us by filng as an Independent, thus avoiding a primary challange. He would be forgoing state party money, but on the other hand, He does seem to have a cult following. If it were a briggs (R), stevens (D) campfield (I) race, campfield would certainly not be a garden variety Indep. who would get the obligatory 2-6% of the vote...interesting.
Maybe, but the folks who just
Maybe, but the folks who just punch R would probably outweigh the folks who actually want to vote for the fool. Could be a way to get a Dem in though.....
a fool and his money..
this scenario would be an interesting test of his fund raising prowess..
Campfield cult
You are correct in this observation. The guy is one of those people that picks up on what people want to hear and then pounds that part of his platform like there is no other.
He's all about puppies and children. He just wants a more effective way to euthanize the puppies and get the poor kids to accept piece work wages. His ability to lie at front doors is legendary.
Why on earth would Democrats
Why on earth would Democrats start out of the gate by cutting down their own candidates before they've even gotten started,
Mark E. Clayton
There was also the 2010 nut
There was also the 2010 nut that said he wouldn't comment here any more if we didn't mention him here anymore.
Just read the story.The guy
Just read the story.
The guy is teaching a class where he has to teach himself first? That way lies madness.
I once taught a differential equations class 5 years after I took differential equations. I had to refresh myself on stuff every day. And I still barely kept ahead of the students.
I could teach college algebra or intro to statistics right now. Anything beyond that - I'd be pretty nervous about.
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Same here, CE.
I was especially interested in understanding that passage, too, since it appeared from the article that Stevens does support unions, but supports some of these (anti-union, anti-teacher) ed reform measures, as well? Didn't quite understand how he could espouse both positions?
He's a Democratic (??) Romney
Will say anything he thinks people want to hear to get elected.
After reading the article, my impression was that he didn't stand for anything. That doesn't make a string candidate. He will have his ass handed to him in the General, whether it's Briggs, Campfield, or even Kalid Sheik Mohammed (as long as KSM has the 'R' next to his name on the ballot). Because Republicans don't vote for Republican Light. I don't think there are many true Independents left these days.
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Okay, Tamara, it wasn't just me, you got that too.
The missing/hidden text
The missing/hidden text says:
(The text has the same color as the background. Highlighting it reveals the text.)
I have two questions:
Can anyone on this commentary list one single thing, one bill , one public statement that proves Stacey Campfield has done ANYTHING to help the voters and citizens of his District?
And does anyone remember ANY TNGOP leader who has criticized Stacey's shameful overt hatred, disrespect, and bat crap crazy public demonstrations of idiocy?
The reason he keeps 'winning' is because the TNGOP machine would run a Clint Eastwood empty chair if Stacey had to quit. Haslam will have a fundraiser for him, and his nitwit performances will be celebrated as some kind of twisted accomplishments for his District. THIS IS THE SAME ACTION THEY WILL TAKE IF DESJARLAIS IS FORCED OUT BY THE CONGRESSIONAL ETHICS COMMITTEE. AND IF DAVID HAWK IS CONVICTED OF THE FELONY, THEY WILL FIND A 'CHAIR' FOR HIS SEAT AS WELL.
And I wonder if Dr. Briggs will even bring up any of Stacey's ignorant "MEDICAL" theories of how women cannot 'catch' AIDS if they are hetrosexual', or all Campfield's other 'medical' bills he proposed against Women and Girls AND gay teens...or his "It's OK to Bully Gay Teens", or the old one..."Let's force all women who miscarry to make sure the fetus has a death certificate".
Randy Walker was an excellent candidate, a leader in his community, scientist in OR who invented a process that saved lives on our highways, a devoted family man and devout man who had experience creating good jobs. NO, he didn't have a lot of experience in "politics", but he had and has integrity, character and a vision of working FOR our area in Nashville. He ran an impressive campaign but was not willing to get into the slime and dirt of the right wing mess. I hope he continues to seek public office. He was and is an inspiring and dedicated public servant.
Trying to follow this thread:
I guess the point of R's initial post was to express frustration with a candidate who clearly wants to be perceived as progressive but who is reluctant to call himself a Democrat (and who may not really be all that progressive or liberal, though I can't make out why that's a fair accusation yet). Then there was some other discussion and snark about whether it makes any sense for him to run, and then discussion about Richard Briggs, Man of Steel. (I actually like Richard Briggs but he is a rightwing conservative and it is yet another painful degradation in the sad and endless humiliation of being an East Tennessee liberal/progressive that so much hope for his rise to power comes from our side. I know, I know: But Campfield Must Be Destroyed.)
But honestly whoever is posting here about the weird side attacks on Stevens makes a good point. It's completely anti-Democratic to just spontaneously, based on no reasonable suspicion, challenge the motives or integrity of somebody who puts his name out as a candidate for public office. And saying he's wasting his time is just cynical. OK so Briggs will probably (I hope, pitifully) beat Campfield, and he'll go on to beat Stevens. That's no reason to ridicule any effort to oppose him. It's no reason to tear down a smart, educated challenger who has clearly thought about why he wants to run and has some policy to run on.
As far as running on the Democratic ticket without necessarily branding himself a Democrat - well, to me that actually shows some progressive spirit. He might, like a lot of people including me, would like to see a transformation in progressive politics, which have become so filthy and collaborative in both major parties that it is entirely justified to feel reluctant on an ethical level to associate yourself with it. But realistically, you have to if you want to get in a position of leadership. That's compromise, a longstanding and essential part of politics.
I guess I just don't see what the BFD is.
edit: And by the way, anybody who voted (especially if their vote was enthusiastic) for Barack Obama needs to just withhold judgment of any progressive calling himself a fiscal moderate. Obama, champion of the Trans Pacific Agreement, supplicant to Goldman Sachs and the tunnel between their board of directors and the White House, is not quite the man of the people his fan club thinks he is. And yeah, I voted for him.
I'd like to echo much of what
I'd like to echo much of what Hildy said. Don't have time to get into the weeds, but good for Stevens for wanting to get involved. And while Briggs would be better than Campfield, but the almost anyone would be, Briggs still is very conservative and isn't likely to have the betterment of the poor and underprivileged at heart. Just saying.
I'm didn't say I hoped Briggs
I'm didn't say I hoped Briggs won the seat. I said he would beat Stacey if he ran. I still stand by that (and that includes a scenario with Stacey as an independent).
Don't know enough about Stephens to really have an opinion, but I gotta admit I'm suspicious of anybody who's running as a Democrat but won't claim to actually be one.
We're talking political
We're talking political reality here, not pie-in-the-sky fantasy. Randy and Rachel are absolutely right. Campfield will only be beaten in the primary.
Edited to add Rachel-- and to comment that predicting what's likely to happen is not the same thing as willing it to happen. So spare us the lectures.
Kettle, you are soooo black.....
Lecturing. Wasn't lecturing anybody. Just stating my views here on....Knox Views.
I said Briggs will beat Campfield and he'll beat Stevens. And the only race in this county is (almost) always in the Republican primary. In other words I agree with you and Rachel and Randy on that point. I just disagree with the criticism of Stevens.
Should have been more
Should have been more specific:
I was addressing Pam, specifically.
OK, this is not a lecture
This thread, in Haiku:
Campfield, primary
Stevens claims he's Democrat
Ain't no point in that.
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But Stevens doesn't claim he's Democrat, Hildy.
I don't know what everyone here makes of that, but my thought is that if his choice is not to identify as a Democrat--and if he isn't a Republican, either--he really should run as an independent, that's all.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah, I breathed, so Bean
Yeah, I breathed, so Bean didn't like it. For the record, I wasn't lecturing. Just observing. Don't know why I bother.
Feel free to ask any questions you have
It was quite interesting reading this thread regarding my campaign. I believe this quote from Hildegard summarizes my feelings towards the current political climate:
"He might, like a lot of people including me, would like to see a transformation in progressive politics, which have become so filthy and collaborative in both major parties that it is entirely justified to feel reluctant on an ethical level to associate yourself with it. But realistically, you have to if you want to get in a position of leadership. That's compromise, a longstanding and essential part of politics."
My goal is to be open and honest with the people of Tennessee throughout the campaign. The way I'm described often leads to a lot of ambiguity. Starting the campaign this early affords us the time to fill in those areas of uncertainty.
I have nothing against calling myself a "Democrat" but I've met many people who will immediately tune me out if they hear that word. My goal isn't a win for a party; my goal is a win for Tennessee.
As one final point of clarification, I considered running as a Republican. I immediately backed away from this notion when I was told multiple times that I would have to change my views. I won't change my views to a more popular stance to gain election. Although my decision to run as a Democrat has been met with some scrutiny, I have never been confronted regarding my views. For further clarification, I've included a link to my political compass.
Feel free to visit my website or Facebook to ask questions or get more info.
WEBSITE - (link...)
FACEBOOK - (link...)? (Best place to ask questions)
POLITICAL COMPASS - (link...)
Thanks for your response. I
Thanks for your response. I can't ask questions on your Facebook page because I don't have a Facebook account. So I will ask here. What is your position on:
school vouchers?
unlimited charter schools?
state approval of charter schools?
class size expansion?
new teacher evaluations?
new teacher tenure rules?
Education in Tennessee
I've been regularly meeting with educators to get their opinions on these subjects. My experience in the education community has been as a college lecturer (Not professor). The opinions I have below are my own but have been influenced by those within the education system who will be directly impacted by these issues.
SCHOOL VOUCHERS - I oppose school vouchers. We have to work on providing a quality education to all students. Vouchers take away money from already underfunded public schools. There are fewer oversights on private schools which don't have to accept every student.
UNLIMITED CHARTER SCHOOLS - There should be limits to charter schools. Charter schools have shown success across the US but they are not the panaceia to our complicated education system. I personally would like to see charter school options expand in Tennessee so we can properly gauge how they work for our community.
STATE APPROVAL OF CHARTER SCHOOLS - Since charter schools receive state funding for their students, I believe they should be approved and held to certain standards.
CLASS SIZE EXPANSION - Most teachers do not benefit from larger classes. Individual attention to the needs of a specific student drops off and teachers become overworked. In upper level courses where students need less individual attention, larger class sizes can work. Speaking from experience, getting students to participate can be nearly impossible at times (Especially early in the morning). If my three sections of Math 115 were put in to one, I believe students would still receive a quality education.
NEW TEACHER EVALUATIONS - The teachers feeling this the most are special education teachers. Multiple special education teachers explained to me that the individual needs of their students are rarely taken in to account during these reviews. The person observing them often doesn't have an understanding of their classroom dynamic and what they're dealing with. A good day in their classroom might look nothing like a good day in another classroom.
I believe in evaluations but we have to make sure they are fair to all teachers. This means they need to be consistent across the board for teachers held to the same standards. When a teacher is in a unique situation, it must take in to account that unique situation. As you can tell, I want to work improving the system we currently have in place.
NEW TEACHER TENURE RULES - The tenure system was great; the best educators had their jobs protected. I do not believe all educators deserve tenure; it is an honor and should be given to those who earn it. I do not want to see tenure go away. I'd like to see it become more like it originally was. The best educators should have their jobs protected.
If you have more questions, feel free to ask.
Thanks, that all sounds
Thanks, that all sounds mostly reasonable. Not clear on your position re. state approval of charter schools, but maybe the question wasn't clear. What I was referring to was state dept. of education approval of statewide or local charter school applications v. the current system of local school board approval or denial with a state appeal process.
On another topic, what's your position on Medicaid expansion and a state insurance exchange?
Response
CHARTER SCHOOLS
LOCAL APPROVAL VS STATE APPROVAL
I believe in giving local communities more power to regulate. While this can lead to abuse, it allows them to handle unique situations and make the decisions that will directly impact their community. I am currently researching how other states handle this and the pros and cons. I am interested to hear your opinion on this issue.
MEDICAID EXPANSION
I believe the most important expansion for Medicaid in Tennessee would be the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP). In the coming years we will see many issues regarding health care in America. I believe this issue is more of a federal issue and the problems stem from the misallocation of our federal budget. With more federal funding, we could expand medicaid options in Tennessee.
2013 Federal Discretionary Spending - (link...)
STATE INSURANCE EXCHANGE
The independence the states have from the federal government comes in to play here. If a state wants to subsidies the cost of healthcare, I believe the people should vote on it. When it comes to how our tax dollars are spent, the people should have a direct voice in the matter.
Thanks again.
Interesting. Thanks again.
Another question. What are
Another question. What are your views on tort reform?
STATE INSURANCE EXCHANGE The
STATE INSURANCE EXCHANGE
The independence the states have from the federal government comes in to play here. If a state wants to subsidies the cost of healthcare, I believe the people should vote on it. When it comes to how our tax dollars are spent, the people should have a direct voice in the matter.
Isn't that why we elect people to the legislature? That is the direct vote. Surely you don't think we need a referendum for every difficult spending question.
Also, I'm not clear how an
Also, I'm not clear how an insurance exchange (state or federal) is subsidizing the cost of health care. It's a marketplace. The federal spending to operate exchanges is already mandated, if I'm not mistaken. Plus, Gov. Haslam has already said the state could run it more efficiently. It doesn't appear Mr. Stevens is familiar with the subject.
medicaid expansion vis a vie the affordable health care act
Mr stevens, I believe the question regarding medicaid expansion was in the context of the affordable health care act. By the way what is your position on the ACA. I dont believe you have referenced it at all.
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