UT Daily Beacon columnist Sarah Pevey on the fashion statement that young women make when they wear next to nothing:
Dating is like selling a product. You advertise your asking price with your body language and appearance. The sluttier you dress, the lower your price drops. Anyone willing to show up and wait in line can afford you, or at least that’s the message you send.
This message does two things: attracts guys looking for the path of least resistance and repels guys who want quality. You might turn their heads, but that’ll be the end of it. You’ll never get a decent guy if you don’t act decently. Clothes send a message about your standards and self-esteem. Do you want your message to be, “Top-quality. High end. Top of the line.”? Or, “Free samples. No purchase necessary. Name your price. Everything must go.”?
Is there a fine line between slutty and sexy? Yes. It’s about the middle of your thighs, four inches above your nipples, halfway down your back, two inches below your belly button, and three inches under your heels, at a bare minimum. Do you think that’s too prudish? I can’t stop you--raise the hemline inch by inch. But remember this column the next time you complain about not being able to find a decent guy. You might be getting what you ask for.
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You've gotta be kidding me.
You've gotta be kidding me. Will this issue never die? It's been pinching noses and puckering up prim lips for centuries. OK, I'll acknowledge two things before I reply: 1) I dress pretty conservatively (although that can be a relative term); 2) Lots of girls do dress pretty skanky these days. So I get where Pevey is coming from. But...
Maybe girls who hike it up and bend over want to attract a bad boy. Lighten up, Pevey. It takes all kinds. There's somebody for everybody. A girl who wants to look like a ho gets my respect for being herself every bit as much as a buttoned-up Chi O fingering her lavelier and dreaming of her wedding dress. Besides, big hairy dudes in leather chaps with a penchant for pole dancers need lovin' just as much as the average Young Republican with a medicine cabinet full of tooth whitener.
I'm not even going to get started on the analogy of marketability. OK, it's too late for me to get any real writing done, so I will. Price? Product? Shit, I didn't know a nice girl could be bought at any price. Do they have sales during rush? Can you get, like, two Delta Zeta pledges for the price of one if you drive a Lexus? What's the mark-up like when they get initiated? Listen, this is important. I don't think the general public had any idea that anybody other than a Cherry street junkie could be bought, and all you have to know to tell the difference in value is look at what the bitch is wearing.
But I do thank Pevey for finally settling, once and for all, the precise measures for discerning "slutty" as opposed to "sexy." But keep in mind, some people will get all philosophical about it, saying things like, "You can be sexy and not be a slut. You can be slutty and not be sexy. But if you're sexy AND a slut? Oooooooooooh, baaaaby."
Value of sex only as a tool?
Clearly this woman spends far too much time obsessing over how to manipulate men. She shouldn't have been given additional exposure on Knoxviews.
Another UT Student
Who didn't avail themselves of the education available to them and thereby took the path of least resistance.
There are at least 5 professors in various programs at UT that would have easily given this writer tools to blow up both the "prude" and "slut" sides of the argument. How? By attacking the common notion in either characterization whereby women are "commodities unto themselves."
Then again, maybe after she lands some "nice guy" who will "treat her right" and she finds herself staring out the kitchen window with a pile of dishes under her chin and a long day at the office behind her, she will get it. Maybe how she will get it is by staring out that window at the guying cleaning the pool next door and saying to herself, "Hey, I'd hit it."
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
Looking forward to Metro
Looking forward to Metro Pulse's classy rebuttal.
Is that you, Hildey?
Great writing can't be hidden... (I think the Daily Beacon article by Ms. Peavy is well-written, too.) Check out what some of the young ladies on campus are wearing these days. It almost makes one long for the dress code of the early 1970's. I have seen girls wearing shorts that barely cover their behinds (bottom of butt exposed) and sporting 5" stiletto heels, walking to class. Not to mention the low-cut tops that are the fashion now. I really don't care what anybody wears, but that sort of thing does look kind of cheap to me, too.
Sorry, I tend to agree with
Sorry, I tend to agree with Ms. Pevey. There are parts of her discussion that may be over the line. Since she is a 1st year law student, she may have encountered the need to be more conservative in her dress and is trying to assist young ladies in their future endeavors.
You can definitely have fun dressing how you want, whether it sexy, slutty, conservative or prudish. I think, though, if you want to be taken seriously, if you truly want a long-term serious relationship, if you want to progress (or better yet lead) in your field, dressing sexy (or slutty) is not the way to go.
Youth is grand and do it (whatever it may be) while you can. Just make sure you live through it. Many of us in the Boomer generation are certainly breathing a sigh of relief that we are still here to enjoy the over 30 years.
Duh,this is news? Some kind
Duh,this is news? Some kind of 'everything old is new again'?
As one who, in bygone days, was known to occasionally venture forth looking like a hoochiemamma (or, as one friend used to call it, attired in "slutwear"), I have a body of hands-on research proving beyond a doubt that there was a huge difference in how I was treated based on how I was perceived. And I could pretty much control it (yes, children, men are easy -- like that's another news flash).
Who the heck dresses the same way for a job interview as for a night of pub-crawling; for meeting one's prospective mother-in-law or for hitting a friend's birthday party? Nobody who is serious about landing the job or impressing the future MIL, I submit.
This is fundamental stuff most of us learned at our granny's knee. And although the tone of the column is pretty insufferable, she may as well be saying that oranges are orange and a diet of whipped cream and mashed potatoes will make you fat. No revelations here.
I have a body of hands-on
I have a body of hands-on research proving beyond a doubt
You certainly have a way with the turn of a phrase!
As for how people show up for interviews, you'd be amazed. It's partly immaturity, but in some cases it's also poverty. I seem to recall some organization (here or Florida, don't remember, maybe both?) that counseled young women on dressing more professionally, and had a program where professionals donated business attire to help them get started. They should do the same thing for young men in need of a little help and/or common sense.
(Then there are the extreme idiot employers, too, such as some bizgrrl applied to that didn't allow slacks, makeup, or hair coloring.)
Word. Being a lawyer, I can
Word. Being a lawyer, I can attest to the neutering effect of law school, both on men and women. It can take years to undo the damage to one's sexuality that law school inflicts. Most lawyers never recover. All you have to do to know what I'm talking about is walk through the courthouse any morning for five minutes.
And if you really let the style of law infect your brain, you start thinking everybody else should be the same way. Everybody should appear (if not be, in essence) conservative. Everybody should be ambitious. Everybody should view herself or himself as chattel, and assign corresponding value.
Concurring (ahem) with Beanster here: acknowledging that dressing like a tramp will cause one to suffer in job interviews, social climbing, and attracting conservative men*** is like acknowledging that bathing is more effective when you're naked. But there's no time to enjoy showing off your supple young flesh when the time calls for it than when you're, well, young and supple. Take the advice of a 41-yr-old woman who knows when it's time to cover up: when you got it, flaunt it, baby.
(***I'm pretty sure that even most conservative men - eligible or otherwise - don't object too strenuously to decolletage falling to within less than four inches of a nipple. They might not hire them, but life has moments unrelated to job interviews where a little nip goes a long way. The only people who strongly object to it, in my experience, are women who resent it, for various reasons ranging from the implications to the dignity of our gender, to the attention it draws away from men they wish were looking at them.)
I think the real question on
I think the real question on every guy's mind at this point is... author of the Beacon piece - hot or not?
(Ducking under desk...)
Bwahahaha!!! For some
Bwahahaha!!!
For some reason, I keep flashing back to ol' Monica Lewinski. I seem to recall that bending over and showing Bill her thong was the foundation of their relationship (snirkle).
I was in the Fresh Market not long ago, and saw a teenaged girl and her mamma shopping along. Mamma was a zaftig, 40-ish blonde in a bedazzled sweatsuit with a low-cut tank top displaying lots of cleavage. Daughter was slender little stick of a thing modestly attired in in pedal-pushers, a shirt and jacket -- until she bent over the dairy shelf and showed about three inches of thong and butt cleavage.
So is this the preferred cleavage of the 'Naughts? Seems like you see it everywhere in these days of low-rider britches and cropped tops, frequently topped off by a small-of-the-back tattoo.
Lower Back Tattoo
"Ah...tattoo on the lower back. Might as well be a bull's eye." -- Wedding Crashers.
zaftig
Big points for the Yiddish!
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
[i[I think the real question
I think the real question on every guy's mind at this point is... author of the Beacon piece - hot or not?
Judge for yourself:
Her blouse looks kinda
Her blouse looks kinda low-cut. Somebody get a tape measure and check the 4" rule.
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